littlegreenpills posted:

anime porn is the least bad porn, because it doesn't exploit and degrade its performers as directly, and isn't arousing in the slightest

it's too bad we scared away all the great posters with 2d complexes.

conec posted:

does she talk about being raped i wanted to read that a while back

i don't think she talks about her own experience in it- that's in letters from a war zone, maybe?- but she talks, at lots and lots of length, about the rapes of other women. she even gives a breathless, multiple page blow-by-blow of "story of the eye," at which point i throw up my hands. Her writing on how male dominance manifests in money, law, and power in it is very interesting, and she touches on a lot of other stuff as well, and she's very powerful throughout. The constant play-by-play of abuse, fictionalized and real, starts to become hard to read- ironically for the same monotony that simon de beauvoir finds in de sade, who is literally transposed here in page upon page

discipline posted:

yeah the women who participate in their own oppression usually do it out of survivalism ken, they're generally not brainwashed little idiots. the ones on the "Left" like melissa gira grant get big money and loads of male approval for doing it, just like hillary clinton, belle knox and ayan hirsi ali.

i think making this kind of blanket statement is very much an easy way out. it's not just a front, it's not just survivalism, many women do derive enjoyment from their own oppression, and this needs to be understood before the structures of that oppression can be properly tackled

discipline posted:

deadken posted:

discipline posted:
yeah the women who participate in their own oppression usually do it out of survivalism ken, they're generally not brainwashed little idiots. the ones on the "Left" like melissa gira grant get big money and loads of male approval for doing it, just like hillary clinton, belle knox and ayan hirsi ali.


i think making this kind of blanket statement is very much an easy way out. it's not just a front, it's not just survivalism, many women do derive enjoyment from their own oppression, and this needs to be understood before the structures of that oppression can be properly tackled

ok ken, why do you think women derive enjoyment from their own oppression

i don't know. power is seductive, no bondage no delight, etc etc etc but i'm not really personally placed to answer this question

deadken posted:

ok here's an example. one of my closest friends and confidantes is an extremely vocal and outspoken feminist and communist, active in campaigns against the exploitation of womens bodies both in pornified mass-media and third-world labour practices. she is also extremely into bdsm, particularly playing a submissive role with a male partner, and extreme pornography (including choke porn). naturally this provokes an ethical dilemma, as her political engagements and sexual desires appear to be oppositely articulated - but does this mean that her enjoyment is invalidated, that it's somehow false or conditioned by patriarchy, and that she should give it up? i don't know the answers to this but it's an important question

i think a good answer to this is "who cares about your friend" and a better question is along the lines of "who generates the spread of a discourse in which women en masse are cajoled into accepting this sort of thing as an everyday requirement of being, making a choice that is no choice, also cui bono"

deadken posted:

ok here's an example. one of my closest friends and confidantes is an extremely vocal and outspoken feminist and communist, active in campaigns against the exploitation of womens bodies both in pornified mass-media and third-world labour practices. she is also extremely into bdsm, particularly playing a submissive role with a male partner, and extreme pornography (including choke porn). naturally this provokes an ethical dilemma, as her political engagements and sexual desires appear to be oppositely articulated - but does this mean that her enjoyment is invalidated, that it's somehow false or conditioned by patriarchy, and that she should give it up? i don't know the answers to this but it's an important question

an article posted here in the last few months talked about how rape victims will often go on to have rape fantasies, and many will never have sex again without remembering the rape, in this way the rape is more significant than a mere physical assault as the woman really is forced to "enjoy" rape as it is forever bound with her sexuality. by which i mean, your friend is probably returning to the familiar with bdsm, and it probably comes from some early event in her sexual history, like, i don't know, being exposed to hardcore bdsm pornography at a young age