#41
Somewhat relevant:
"The rise of the South must be understood in terms of full human development as the story of an impressive expansion of individual capacities and sustained progress in human development of those countries that are home to the majority of the world population. When dozens of countries and billions of people climb the ladder of human development, as they are doing today, it has 'a direct impact on the creation of wealth and a broader human progress in all countries and regions of the planet.'

We are, in short, before a development model and a new perspective about how to configure the socioeconomic order that is inclusive and fundamentally characterized by relations of cooperation, in radical contrast with, not unfulfilled hopes, but with an exclusionary underdevelopment that for centuries has been imposed on multitudes of individuals considered and treated as slaves and beasts."

From 'Impressive human development or trivial 'trifles'?' by Aldo Trotta

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://domenicolosurdo.blogspot.com/&prev=search
#42

c_man posted:

Petrol posted:

Red_Canadian posted:

Couldn't a temporary influx of foreign capital, before being seized by the state, grow the Cuban economy without lasting damage to the road to Communism?

dengism ftw?



"The proportion of planning to market forces is not the essential difference between socialism and capitalism. A planned economy is not equivalent to socialism, because there is planning under capitalism too; a market economy is not capitalism, because there are markets under socialism too. Planning and market forces are both means of controlling economic activity. The essence of socialism is liberation and development of the productive forces, elimination of exploitation and polarization, and the ultimate achievement of prosperity for all."

https://dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/excerpts-from-talks-given-in-wuchang-shenzhen-zhuhai-and-shanghai/

#43
Cuba will be immediately flooded with jewish capitalists and renamed Li'l Israel within 5 years
#44
#45
an anti-castro cuban exile has an article in a leading journal of the american left
#46
http://louisproyect.org/2009/07/11/samuel-farbers-latest-folly/

when louis proyect calls you out from a more correct standpoint...
#47

getfiscal posted:

an anti-castro cuban exile has an article in a leading journal of the american left



"Even at the purely political level, there are many conflicts that are clearly foreseeable, like, for example, one that was left unmentioned in the Obama-Castro agreement involving the return of revolutionary exiles, such as Assata Shakur, to prison in the United States."

About that:

“Every nation has sovereign and legitimate rights to grant political asylum to people it considers to have been persecuted,” the Cuban foreign ministry’s head of North American affairs, Josefina Vidal, told the Associated Press.

“We’ve explained to the US government in the past that there are some people living in Cuba to whom Cuba has legitimately granted political asylum,” Vidal said, noting also that the two countries have no extradition treaty in effect.

Vidal’s comments in a Monday interview were the clearest sign yet that Cuba has no intention of extraditing Assata Shakur – formerly known as Joanne Chesimard – following a historic detente announced by last week by President Barack Obama and Raúl Castro of Cuba."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/23/cuba-assata-shakur-americas-most-wanted-woman-will-not-be-extradited

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/23/fbis-desperate-pursuit-assata-shakur-continues-u-s-cuba-talks/

#48
one thing that annoyed me about that article is where he fully conflated china and vietnam. in cuba they understand the distinctions between their models. also the idea that somehow chinese elites are in alliance with US capital is misleading. if anything over the last decade china has emphasized the need for strong national economic institutions that are semi-autonomous from global capital, such as a range of national champions and the building up of the sovereign wealth fund. it could have easily been otherwise if china followed international advice and focused on selling off everything to pay down debts.
#49
"We have known about the well-intended and not very-well intended opinions that are being expressed both inside and outside the country about the rhythm of the process to update our economic model.

There has also been an open encouragement from abroad to speed up privatization, even of the main production and service sectors, which will b equal to laying down the flags of socialism in Cuba.

It seems as if the latter have not bothered to read the Guidelines which clearly states as follows, and I quote: “The economic system that shall prevail in our country will continue to be based on the people’s socialist ownership over the fundamental means of production, governed by the socialist principle of distribution: “from each according to his/her capacity to each according to his/her contribution”, end of quote....

No one in the world could ignore Cuba’s outstanding international record in the course of the year that is about to conclude. Cubans are faced with a huge challenge: We must put the economy on a par with the political prestige that this small Caribbean Island has earned thanks to the Revolution, the heroism and the resilience of our people. Economy remains the most important unresolved matter and it is our duty to place it, once and for all, down the right path towards the sustainable and irreversible development of socialism in Cuba....

I reiterate that it will only be possible to move forward based on mutual respect, which involves the observance of the principles of International Law and the UN Charter, among them, the sovereign equality of States, peoples’ equal rights and self determination, the peaceful settlement of international controversies, the principle of refraining from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or independence of any State and the obligation not to intervene in matters which are within the domestic jurisdiction of States, which means that any form of interference or threat to the political, economic and cultural elements of any given State is considered a violation of International Law...."

-From A Speech to the Cuban National Assembly by Raul Castro

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/26/cuba-will-not-renounce-its-ideas/
#50
Raul's reaffirmation of commitment to Venezuela et al is comforting:

"A symbol of the above are the special relations that we maintain with the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, to which we will continue to offer our support, in the face of the attempts to destabilize the legitimate government that is headed by Comrade President Nicolas Maduro Moros. We reject every attempt to impose sanctions against that sister nation (APPLAUSE).

Cuba’s attendance to that Summit has been the result of the solid and unanimous consensus achieved within Latin America and the Caribbean, a region that is living through a new era and has united, amidst its diversity, under the Community of Latin America and Caribbean States (CELAC) which Cuba was honored to preside last year.

We do not forget that ALBA, with its continued appeal and the support of all countries of the region, managed to remove the old and opprobrious sanctions imposed against Cuba back in 1962 by the Organization of American States, at a meeting held in the Republic of Honduras, where hardly one month later a coup d’état was perpetrated that ousted Comrade Zelaya, the president of that country."
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#53
"Cuba should accept provocations by our proxies and agitators with good humour....or the G.O.P. will win"
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/31/opinion/cuba-turns-off-critics-open-mic.html?_r=1
#54
Opening up both your economy and your political system to the empire's running dogs at the same time is an excellent idea.

Just look at how wonderfully that worked out for the Soviet Union.
#55
well the way i see it is, cuba will lure america in, then when they're in the kill zone cuba will flank from either side and then it's curtains for the caped crusader.
#56

getfiscal posted:

an anti-castro cuban exile has an article in a leading journal of the american left



i wonder when the ISO will stop publishing his garbage. probably when he dies. ho hum.

#57
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/guantanamo/article8520950.html
#58
hell yeah
#59
awesome
#60
i like the demand for damages, because ive seen the right getting all weepy about cuba owing US companies $6b for nationalization back in the 50s
#61
i love that too. the third-country embargoes that imply theyre still manufacturing everything on shit they stole in the 50s and it is thus Tainted with the Original Sin of Nationalization
#62
im not sure how i feel on the exchange of guantanamo. would they be super pissed if the US demolished the whole thing before they left? or would they not care either way as long as the US military presence was removed?
#63
not having a hostile foreign power occupying their sovereign territory seems liek a win even if they don't leave stuff behind
#64
on a scale from zero to fidel, how much dementia does raul castro have.
#65

dank_xiaopeng posted:

not having a hostile foreign power occupying their sovereign territory seems liek a win even if they don't leave stuff behind

it does to my western liberal sensibilities but it may seem a vindictive action to anyone desiring a fully operational military projection apparatus.

#66
Cuba probably doesn't want to keep a reminder of fascist occupation around once they get their land back and will destroy it even if the US doesn't
#67

chickeon posted:

Cuba probably doesn't want to keep a reminder of fascist occupation around once they get their land back and will destroy it even if the US doesn't

Excuse me, the ONLY way they will get this base back is if they promise to keep torturing people in it

#68

swampman posted:

chickeon posted:

Cuba probably doesn't want to keep a reminder of fascist occupation around once they get their land back and will destroy it even if the US doesn't

Excuse me, the ONLY way they will get this base back is if they promise to keep torturing people in it



no shit, what's fair is fair dude

#69
last night i was drinking with a bunch of coworkers (all with postgraduate degrees) and nobody believed me when i told them that fidel castro was still alive
#70
so ive been seeing this girl for about a month and its going really well but the other day she mentioned that theres a new strain of hiv in cuba thats super aggressive and turns into full blown aids in like 2 years or something and my first reaction was to say something about capitalist propaganda designed to undermine the socialist paradise of cuba but i stifled that impulse and instead said something like dang thats crazy. what should be my penance for failing to combat liberalism, rhizzone?
#71
[le Oprah face] You get Fail AIDS, and You Get Fail Aids, And You Get Fail Aids! EVERYONE GET FAIL AIDS
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#73
A relative started ranting at a family gathering recently about halal certification funding terrorism. I nodded very sternly and said that's exactly how I feel about Rainforest Alliance certification. She had to think for a moment (an uncomfortable feeling) then laughed. It was enough to derail the conversation that time, but if need be, I'm always ready to start ranting about how they're arming tree frogs and things like that.
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#75

TG posted:

so ive been seeing this girl for about a month and its going really well but the other day she mentioned that theres a new strain of hiv in cuba thats super aggressive and turns into full blown aids in like 2 years or something and my first reaction was to say something about capitalist propaganda designed to undermine the socialist paradise of cuba but i stifled that impulse and instead said something like dang thats crazy. what should be my penance for failing to combat liberalism, rhizzone?



doesn't regular HIV do that if you don't have access to Pfizers overpriced antiretrovirals

#76

tpaine posted:

Change petrol's username to Halal Slovak


lol

#77

Petrol posted:

A relative started ranting at a family gathering recently about halal certification funding terrorism. I nodded very sternly and said that's exactly how I feel about Rainforest Alliance certification. She had to think for a moment (an uncomfortable feeling) then laughed. It was enough to derail the conversation that time, but if need be, I'm always ready to start ranting about how they're arming tree frogs and things like that.


maybe they thought you were saying that the rainforest alliance are arming the native people

#78
the cia created the cuban turbo aids
#79
Mods plz change my name to "EmanuelaJebLundi"
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