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tpaine posted:

we'rent they already doing this with detainees years ago


treat every single abuse of the monster State as an isolated, new phenomenon, preemptively stunting the idea that they are all part of the same grand scheme of eternal systematic torture. here's your press badge

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according to my sources, for many years, in australia, its been not uncommon, for white activists have been whisked away to secret locations and interrogated, in certain circumstances, like protesting at refugee camps in the middle of the desert. meanwhile if youre aboriginal and you see a cop under any circumstances you have a 50/50 chance of being taken back to the station on false charges and kicked in the head until you stop moving. its all relative i guess.
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i have mixed feelings about this article for reasons shriekingviolet already stated.

aside from the fact that this practice likely pre-dates 9-11 and is far more prevalent among US police departments outside a rogue op by the Chicago PD, there's also the fact that even regular jails are basically black sites for people too poor to afford good legal representation. people on twitter were saying that locating people detained in LA Men's Central is almost impossible as well, for example.

so yeah while i'm glad this is being reported on i wish the article would contextualize it within the larger regime of systematic torture and abuse by law enforcement in the US and not some sort of extreme offshoot of post-9-11 security policies.

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Petrol posted:

according to my sources, for many years, in australia, its been not uncommon, for white activists have been whisked away to secret locations and interrogated, in certain circumstances, like protesting at refugee camps in the middle of the desert. meanwhile if youre aboriginal and you see a cop under any circumstances you have a 50/50 chance of being taken back to the station on false charges and kicked in the head until you stop moving. its all relative i guess.


if i understand it right, new security legislation in canada can strip you of all rights & due process if two cabinet ministers sign off on it. it's gonna be great.

i also feel compelled to share that in canada the cops occasionally do this thing in the winter where if they pick up someone who is any combination of drunk, homeless, and/or indigenous, they drive them out to a rural backroad dump them out of the car and leave them to freeze to death. and every spring when they find the bodies everyone treats it like it's the first time this has happened. do they dump people in the desert in australia, or would they have to drive too far for it to be a sure thing?

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It would take you days of driving to get to somewhere vaguely desert like from the coast (where most people live) If you're already in the desert you can just tase aboriginals until they die no need to drive anywhere.
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shriekingviolet posted:

do they dump people in the desert in australia, or would they have to drive too far for it to be a sure thing?


why go to the effort of stopping to dump someone when you can just keep driving until the outspoken aboriginal community leader literally cooks to death in the back of your van. Straya

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jesus christ
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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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OP the CIA released this story to make us afraid of the police
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Mike Nelson here.
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actually socialist revolution will happen and things will get better.

take some prozac you mopes!
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this was posted already right http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/18/american-police-brutality-chicago-guantanamo
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the jail "loses" my clients somewhat frequently. although they say never attribute to malice what can be explained away by incompetence
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wow kinda cool that incompetence is built into the system. that's a cool feature, what a accident
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calling this a black site seems a bit breathless
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Site of Color
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the constitution doesn't say that people actually get to see an attorney on request, or that the police will let you know he's asking for you, or that they'll let him in to talk to you

general practice is different in england and wales (I mention it because this is the guardian), but then again you aren't necessarily protected from having your silence used against you during the criminal case, so you'd often see people being interrogated with an attorney present
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oh my god, the constitution! holy shit. my friends: put the breaks on mourning for the victims of the nightmare hell empire, the classicist or whatever the fuck is going to tell us about the constitution!!
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americans treat the constitution like the gospel truth, they love the thing, so if the federal supreme court says something is cool under the constitution then it's a good idea to point it out to yanks and journos. especially when the topic is an article sprinkled with quotes about the behaviour being unconstitutional.

journos are the worst
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constitution says nothing about caging the world in horror and pain, doesn't seem wrong to me! *bangs judges gavel*
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journo writes another shitty article with a bunch of quotes about how thing is unconstitutional, how dare anyone then think the constitution is worth discussing in a response *bangs keyboard*
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Who gives a shit about the constitution? Not even constitutionalists give a shit
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shriekingviolet posted:

tpaine posted:
we'rent they already doing this with detainees years ago

treat every single abuse of the monster State as an isolated, new phenomenon, preemptively stunting the idea that they are all part of the same grand scheme of eternal systematic torture. here's your press badge


chickeon posted:

this was posted already right http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/18/american-police-brutality-chicago-guantanamo


just amazing

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Dont Mess With Sucess
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Crow posted:

Who gives a shit about the constitution? Not even constitutionalists give a shit

I dont think ive ever even put points into constitution.

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i think constitutions are fun. not the american one tho, that one is lame

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