#1601
Yea, Woa, definitely not fascist at all



"Glory to Heroes
UPA"
#1602
lmao
#1603
The main difference between Ukraine now and traditional fascism is that the first time round the banners didn't look so damn cheap
#1604
fascist aesthetics in the 21st Century are just gonna be cheap plastic knockoffs... I bet they won't even have snappy dress uniforms
#1605

NoFreeWill posted:

fascist aesthetics in the 21st Century are just gonna be cheap plastic knockoffs... I bet they won't even have snappy dress uniforms

Uh no kidding, scroll up to that photo. No assigned seats. Business casual. Fucking, tie optional. Where is the group of 800 children singing a choreographed dance about the agricultural yields achievable through White Power?

#1606
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#1607

Ukraine’s parliament passes law to allow interning Russian citizens. Supported by ‪‎EU‬, ‪‎USA‬.

"Under law, martial rule legal measures stipulate interning citizens of a foreign state, which threatens with an attack or carries out an aggression against Ukraine," an explanatory note says

KIEV, May 12. /TASS/. The Ukrainian parliament broadly approved a law on Tuesday, allowing measures to intern Russian citizens living on the territory of Ukraine.

The law on martial rule was approved by 254 deputies compared with the required minimum of 226 voices in its favor.

Ukrainian MPs approved the bill in the first reading on April 9, after which it was sent for finalization after evoking many critical remarks.

"Under law, martial rule legal measures stipulate, in particular, interning (forcefully settling) citizens of a foreign state, which threatens with an attack or carries out an aggression against Ukraine," an explanatory note to the document says.
Under the law, the imposition of martial rule automatically entails labor duty for the able-bodied population, permits the compulsory alienation of property, bans gatherings and meetings, the activity of undesirable political parties, stipulates media regulation, the forcible sale of property under private or communal ownership, the imposition of a cufew, the restriction of the freedom of citizens’ movement and so on.

The Ukrainian parliament initially planned to pass the law as a whole after discussions pursuant to a shortened procedure. However, MPs who spoke on the bill demanded a full procedure of discussions as there were "a lot of amendments and remarks" to the document.

The document says that "martial law is a special legal regime imposed in Ukraine or on its separate territories in the event of an armed aggression or the threat of an attack, the existence of a danger for the state independence of Ukraine and its territorial integrity."

Martial rule may be imposed after Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada (parliament) approves a relevant decree by the country’s president, the document says.
Analysts say the preparation of new editions of the law on martial rule may indicate the government’s readiness to impose it in Ukraine.



http://tass.ru/en/world/794261

#1608
yikes, well lets hope those poor ukrainians will find some sort of permanent, or final, solution to those pesky russians they'll be interning.
#1609
that law is dumb for a lot of reasons. one is that if russia was sending secret troops into ukraine it wouldn't let them keep their russian passports. the other is that huge numbers of ukrainians have russian passports. not just 'russian' ukrainians either. i mean even if you live in lviv and spit at people on the street when they speak another dialect of east slav you'd probably have a foreign passport as an insurance and travel thing if you're an international traveler with money.
#1610
i decided to look up what general breedlove was up to these days and i guess he's touring a base in turkey set up to train syrian terrorists, this after winning a 'military leadership award' from the 'atlantic council', presumably for being brave enough to say that 'rebel troops in ukraine are nuclear-capable' lol
#1611

getfiscal posted:

that law is dumb for a lot of reasons. one is that if russia was sending secret troops into ukraine it wouldn't let them keep their russian passports. the other is that huge numbers of ukrainians have russian passports. not just 'russian' ukrainians either. i mean even if you live in lviv and spit at people on the street when they speak another dialect of east slav you'd probably have a foreign passport as an insurance and travel thing if you're an international traveler with money.



i dont think anyone even pretends to believe this law isnt targeting eastern ukrainians and any dissent

#1612
speaking of which

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#1613
"When will you stop beating your wife?" "When she learns to behave herself!" "..."
#1614

getfiscal posted:

i decided to look up what general breedlove was up to these days and i guess he's touring a base in turkey set up to train syrian terrorists, this after winning a 'military leadership award' from the 'atlantic council', presumably for being brave enough to say that 'rebel troops in ukraine are nuclear-capable' lol



#1615
lmao even former USAID spooks are going Uhhhhh

http://www.jpost.com/International/Putin-says-Ukraine-being-overrun-by-fascists-and-he-may-be-right-403205
#1616
it's typical that neo-liberal technocrats are divided among themselves over whether or not to support fascists & right-wing militarists. they once had the same debates over Somoza, Duvalier, Tuđman, etc. part of it is not enjoying being associated with blatantly repulsive figures. the other part is that the fascism and militarism (as well as the corruption that goes along with it) can get in the way of their ideal neo-liberal reform.

but, ultimately when the chips are down and a genuine leftist movement and/or counter-hegemonic bloc threatens to make significant gains they'll always come back to the fash.
#1617
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#1618

discipline posted:

Maybe I should go to Ukraine...



After this past year and a half that the locusts have devoured, I have sometimes thought that I would be overjoyed to make the trek to Novorossiya. If I believed I could be more of a help than a hindrance, that is.

But standing in place can be an act of courage too...

#1619
there needs to be a delegation of red tradesmen sent to iraq novorossiya etc at some point to participate in the rebuilding as a small down payment towards the immense debt the united states owes the countries it dismembers.
#1620
or a big check or something. or Red Star Lines, delivering capital goods and spare parts to nations beleaguered by imperialism.
#1621
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has signed into law legislation that bans the use of communist symbols.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32766913

you will have to call it something else, steg. I still advocate for Britons Nostalgic for Industry, Community, Envrionment (B-NICE) as the UK branch of the Rhizzonternational
#1622

HenryKrinkle posted:

it's typical that neo-liberal technocrats are divided among themselves over whether or not to support fascists & right-wing militarists. they once had the same debates over Somoza, Duvalier, Tuđman, etc. part of it is not enjoying being associated with blatantly repulsive figures. the other part is that the fascism and militarism (as well as the corruption that goes along with it) can get in the way of their ideal neo-liberal reform.

but, ultimately when the chips are down and a genuine leftist movement and/or counter-hegemonic bloc threatens to make significant gains they'll always come back to the fash.



sound to me like fascism is basically capitalism's immune system. sometimes it goes a little crazy and causes some autoimmune disease, but we all know its main function.

Oh man. That analogy is perfect. Why didn't I think of this before

#1623
so basically we need to give capitalism fail aids
#1624
we need to crush fascism in the field and overthrow its puppeteers at home
#1625

NoFreeWill posted:

fascist aesthetics in the 21st Century are just gonna be cheap plastic knockoffs... I bet they won't even have snappy dress uniforms

this is the perfect encapsulation of what modern antifascist discourse looks like

#1626

stegosaurus posted:

or a big check or something. or Red Star Lines, delivering capital goods and spare parts to nations beleaguered by imperialism.

a big check, and on the memo field it can say in sparkly gif letters

you've been absorbed into fascist late capitalism!
as part of our Apology Pack, dozens of hairy white kids with red star hats and che shirts will show up and try to insert themselves into various parts of your economic reconstruction and talk about organic vegetables a lot while not showering. this might seem irrelevant to you amidst the violence, extreme poverty and flowering of organized crime that you'll become accustomed to in this period of change, but we like to think of it as a little "teaser" of what post-transformation life will be like once you've been assimilated to the point where people like this naturally arise through the forced adoption of western liberal values. there will also be bake sales and the muffins are pretty good. take care and good luck!

#1627

Panopticon posted:

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has signed into law legislation that bans the use of communist symbols.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32766913

you will have to call it something else, steg. I still advocate for Britons Nostalgic for Industry, Community, Envrionment (B-NICE) as the UK branch of the Rhizzonternational


John-Paul Himka has some good commentary on this

http://net.abimperio.net/node/3442 posted:

The second law, on condemnation of the communist and national-socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and the prohibition of propagating their symbols, was introduced into parliament by Oleh Lyashko and other members of his Radical Party, including Yuriy Shukhevych. The law is part of a widespread trend in East Central Europe to equate communism with Nazism, a trend that has been strongly criticized by many Holocaust scholars and activists. Indeed, the main reason that Nazism figures in the law is so that Soviet communism can be lumped in together with it as totalitarian. It is possible, however, that the condemnation of German national socialism is also intended to serve a propaganda function, demonstrating that Ukraine distances itself from fascism, thus countering a key theme of Russian propaganda.

In any case, for Ukraine this is really a decommunizing law. This can be seen clearly in how gingerly and selectively the law prohibits Nazi propaganda and symbols by comparison to its treatment of communism. Propaganda and justification of either regime is punishable by up to five years in prison and in some cases also by confiscation of property. The law bans symbols of communist regimes – any flags, emblems, or other symbols of the USSR, the republics of the Soviet Union, the East European satellites, and Yugoslavia. The national anthems of the USSR and all republics are also prohibited. So are flags and other items bearing a hammer and sickle or a plow, hammer, and five-pointed star. Images, monuments, and plaques commemorating the activities of the communist party are also banned, excepting such as refer to the fight against the Nazi occupiers or to the development of Ukrainian culture. Communist slogans, citations from high-ranking communists (defined as raion secretaries and higher) and any members of the organs of repression are also prohibited unless they refer to the development of Ukrainian science and culture. Communist toponyms from oblasts to alleyways have to be changed. No political party will be allowed to call itself a communist party. What is being attempted is a comprehensive excision of the memory of communism.

By contrast, the banning of Nazi symbols and propaganda is much more restricted. Forbidden are: the symbols of the Nazi party itself, the flag of Nazi Germany, the state emblem of Nazi Germany, naming a political party the National Socialist German Workers' Party, images and inscriptions connected with the activities of the Nazi party, slogans of the party, and citations from the Nazi leadership and higher administration. This list, which takes only about a fifth of the space of the communist list in the text of the law, is shorter mainly because Ukraine is covered with vestiges of the former communist system and there are still a significant number of Ukrainians who have retained pro-Soviet historical identities, while Nazi symbols and propaganda are marginal, especially as defined in this law. But there is also a deliberate selectiveness to the prohibition of Nazi symbols that stands in contrast to the sweeping prohibition of communist symbols. Nazi party symbols are banned. But there is no prohibition on the Wolfsangel symbol, which was widely used in the Third Reich and by wartime Dutch Nazis and today's neo-Nazis. Although not banned by this new law, the Wolfsangel is banned in Germany. I think it is probable that the absence of a ban on the Wolfsangel in the new Ukrainian law is motivated by the Wolfangel's use as the symbol of the radical nationalist/neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly and the Azov battalion. A similar discrepancy can be noted in the naming of political parties. No party can call itself a communist party. But a confederation of right-wing nationalist groups can call itself the Social-National Assembly, since the ban is restricted to the name "National Socialist German Workers' Party," an unlikely choice for any Ukrainian party, however extreme. Notably, too, the law has nothing to say about the symbols or commemoration of the Waffen-SS Division Galizien, which are in evidence in Galicia and sometimes in Kyiv. This imbalance of treatment reinforces the interpretation that the law is really about decommunizing Ukrainian society.

#1628
guess who just got assassinated
#1629
who just got assassinated?
#1630
Mozgovoi just got assassinated, it is unclear by whom, but he was one of the independent (and effective) military commanders who had personal leftist sympathies and a number of organized communist forces. He was a thorn in the side of NATO specifically as he was also challenging the Russian bourgeoisie attempts to limit the radical political and economic ramifications of the Novorossiya movement. In the imperial media he is famous for supposedly saying that women shouldn't go to cafes or have fun because there is a war right now and they should stay home and take care of the children or whatever. In a VICE interview he clarified that he was being sarcastic and he doesnt believe an insane thing, as any reasonable person would expect, since Russians are not actually subhuman monsters. RIP, and RIP, to them who died.
#1631
Rip commander. youll never be the head of a major nation-state
#1632
yeah, rip

here's a clarification on the thing he said: https://youtu.be/fV70uDYUqlc?t=5m56s

Oh,you're dont like it?No chance to hide under cheap policecorrect shit?Egoism and society needs ignoring return to you in machinegun fire?Well,welcome to real life,who speak in harsh words.
#1633
fucking rip. dammit.
#1634
That looks like my cat. RIP
#1635
http://uatoday.tv/politics/poroshenko-to-personally-introduce-saakashvili-as-odesa-region-governor-on-may-30-430338.html
#1636
#1637
Wikipedia is amazing:

Instead of using intimidation tactics against the Soviets like many other leaders, Reagan peacefully tested Gorbachev’s intentions and complimented him
#1638
#1639
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#1640

Crow posted:



I think that's a BT-7 on the left but what's that on the right?