#161

COINTELBRO posted:

The only hope is for North America to embrace its status as a creole cultural zone and leave petty racial grievances behind, which will help entrench emancipatory politics and ease the case for American socialism. All of the Americas are miscegenated post-revolutionary democratic states where the concept of "nations of blood" holds no value, and the US and Canada need to wake up to the fact.



Idk why you think Indigenous people want to create "nations of blood", I also don't know if you know what the blood quantum is but it sounds like you're making a connection between that and Indigenous national liberation which is pretty fucked up. Most indigenous activists are pretty hostile to the blood quantums, except for Taiaiake Alfred but he's weird and basically a "discovered Mohawk" with very little connection to the actual indigenous struggles except for a few edgy book tours and protests.

The main reason why Latin Americans are still so attached to leftist politics unlike the rest of the world is that there is little room for blood grievances and partitioning along ethnic lines to arise in Latin America since everyone basically accepts the multiracial creole status of their culture and history, even if racist biases still persist in institutions and wealth distribution (and light racial jokes/teasing which are nothing compared to actual Anglo-European racism or the Middle East, Balkans).



Sure that might be true for Latin America but the various nations there have the shared experience of Yanqi imperialism to unify them in a common socialist/ anti-imperialist direction, the same is true of the Philippines where the NDFP is a common front of Moro, Lumad, Hispanics, and other ethnic groupings. The colonizer nations and colonized nations of North America don't have that at all, I mean there are a few Appalachian cities that experience something similar to gentrification by middle-class whites but that's about it. You cannot extrapolate all of the experiences in a peripheral country to the imperialist centers

#162
Well shit

The Southern Mindanao Regional Party Committee of the Communist Party of the Philippines condemns the US-imperialist instigated bombing of the night market in Roxas Avenue, Davao City at 9 pm, September 2, which claimed the lives of 15 civilians and critically injured 67 others. The CPP in Southern Mindanao and the revolutionary forces, likewise, commiserate with the families of the victims of this worst attack which hit the country since the Davao bombings of 2003. We enjoin the revolutionary forces and allies to extend all forms of support to the families of the victims.

The bombing was carried out and masterminded by no other than the world’s greatest terrorist: the US imperialist hegemony which is threatened by the Duterte government’s positive gestures toward the country’s anti-imperialist revolutionary forces and Duterte’s consistent pronouncements against US intervention in Philippine affairs.

The heinous attack in downtown Davao City, home to GPH Pres. Rodrigo Duterte, was clearly the handiwork of peace saboteurs, ultra-rightists AFP cliques, and big druglords—all anti-Duterte forces that conspire with US imperialism to subvert the Duterte government.

The September 2 bombing is wrought by the bloody hands of the US war machinery’s black operations. It is hardly coincidental that initial investigations have found similarities on the explosion device used on Friday’s bombing to the explosives found in the wreck of CIA agent Michael Mering’s hotel room in Davao City and the ones used in the Davao International Airport and the Sasa Wharf bombings in March and April 2003 respectively. So to is the fact that the bombing occurred in the hometown of the present GPH President, a city that has historically spurned US incursions for military basing or combat exercises.

GPH Pres. Duterte, then city mayor, has been witness to how the US terrorist network and its puppet fascist reactionary wreaked havoc in Davao City more than a decade ago. Disgruntled junior officers of the AFP divulged that the US-Arroyo regime masterminded the bombings that killed 38 and wounded 180 people.

A CIA-backed terrorist group was quick to admit its responsibility in last night’s bombing, a scripted rejoinder to sow further enmity against majority of Muslims who want just peace. US imperialism has always employed terror tactics to stir anti-Muslim sentiments and prelude its greater military intervention in countries that challenge its dominance and exploitation.

Clearly, US imperialism and its rightist and militarist cliques in the country are not happy with how the Duterte government is shaping its pro-peace governance as shown in the great strides in the peace negotiations between the GRP and the National Democratic Front, and as demonstrated by Duterte’s peace overtures with the MNLF and MILF.

The CPP in Southern Mindanao supports the resounding call of the Filipino people for a just and lasting peace. It is prepared to command the Red fighters and enjoin all revolutionary forces to defend civilians against attacks from US war hawks, peace saboteurs, rabid rightist cliques of the AFP and PNP, and other fascist enemies of the people.

(Sgd.) Siegfried M. Red
For the Southern Mindanao Regional Party Committee
Communist Party of the Philippines

#163

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte warned President Barack Obama on Monday not to question him about extrajudicial killings, or "son of a b...h I will swear at you" when they meet in Laos during a regional summit.

Duterte said before flying to Laos that he is a leader of a sovereign country and is answerable only to the Filipino people. He was answering a reporter's question about how he intends to explain the extrajudicial killings to Obama. More than 2,000 suspected drug pushers and users have been killed since Duterte launched a war on drugs after taking office on June 30.

In his typical foul-mouthed style, Duterte responded: "I am a president of a sovereign state and we have long ceased to be a colony. I do not have any master except the Filipino people, nobody but nobody. You must be respectful. Do not just throw questions. Putang ina I will swear at you in that forum," he said, using the Tagalog phrase for son of a b...h.

Duterte has earlier cursed the pope and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

It isn't clear whether Obama planned to raise the issue of extrajudicial killings with Duterte during a scheduled meeting on the sidelines of the summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

Asked at a news conference in Hangzhou, China, whether he still intends to meet with Duterte and raise the issue of extrajudicial killings, Obama said he had instructed his aides to assess whether it is still possible for the two leaders to have a constructive meeting in Laos.

"I always want to make sure that if I'm having a meeting that it's actually productive, and that we're getting something done," Obama said.

"We recognize the significant burden that the drug trade plays not just in the Philippines but around the world, and fighting narco-trafficking is tough. But we will always assert the need to have due process and to engage in that fight against drugs in a way that's consistent with basic international norms. And so, undoubtedly, if and when we have a meeting this is something that is going to be brought up," said Obama, who has been attending a meeting of the Group of 20 nations.

"Who is he to confront me?" Duterte said in his remarks, adding that the Philippines had not received an apology from the United States for misdeeds committed during its colonization of the Philippines.

He pointed to the killing of Muslim Moros more than a century ago during a U.S. pacification campaign in the southern Philippines, blaming the wounds of the past as "the reason why (the south) continues to boil" with separatist insurgencies.

Last week, Duterte said he was ready to defend his bloody crackdown on illegal drugs, which has sparked concern from the U.S. and other countries.

Duterte said he would demand that Obama allow him to first explain the context of his crackdown before engaging the U.S. president in a discussion of the deaths.


forums poster "goatstein" continues acting as poorly-disguised actual president of island nation in asia, liberal crybaby directed to continue weeping fatly

#164

"But we will always assert the need to have due process and to engage in that fight against drugs in a way that's consistent with basic international norms," said Obama



#165
Obama is just mad that someone is finally trying to beat his country's record for most evil things ever done "for the kids".
#166

MarxUltor posted:

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte warned President Barack Obama on Monday not to question him about extrajudicial killings, or "son of a b...h I will swear at you" when they meet in Laos during a regional summit.

Duterte said before flying to Laos that he is a leader of a sovereign country and is answerable only to the Filipino people. He was answering a reporter's question about how he intends to explain the extrajudicial killings to Obama. More than 2,000 suspected drug pushers and users have been killed since Duterte launched a war on drugs after taking office on June 30.

In his typical foul-mouthed style, Duterte responded: "I am a president of a sovereign state and we have long ceased to be a colony. I do not have any master except the Filipino people, nobody but nobody. You must be respectful. Do not just throw questions. Putang ina I will swear at you in that forum," he said, using the Tagalog phrase for son of a b...h.

Duterte has earlier cursed the pope and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

It isn't clear whether Obama planned to raise the issue of extrajudicial killings with Duterte during a scheduled meeting on the sidelines of the summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

Asked at a news conference in Hangzhou, China, whether he still intends to meet with Duterte and raise the issue of extrajudicial killings, Obama said he had instructed his aides to assess whether it is still possible for the two leaders to have a constructive meeting in Laos.

"I always want to make sure that if I'm having a meeting that it's actually productive, and that we're getting something done," Obama said.

"We recognize the significant burden that the drug trade plays not just in the Philippines but around the world, and fighting narco-trafficking is tough. But we will always assert the need to have due process and to engage in that fight against drugs in a way that's consistent with basic international norms. And so, undoubtedly, if and when we have a meeting this is something that is going to be brought up," said Obama, who has been attending a meeting of the Group of 20 nations.

"Who is he to confront me?" Duterte said in his remarks, adding that the Philippines had not received an apology from the United States for misdeeds committed during its colonization of the Philippines.

He pointed to the killing of Muslim Moros more than a century ago during a U.S. pacification campaign in the southern Philippines, blaming the wounds of the past as "the reason why (the south) continues to boil" with separatist insurgencies.

Last week, Duterte said he was ready to defend his bloody crackdown on illegal drugs, which has sparked concern from the U.S. and other countries.

Duterte said he would demand that Obama allow him to first explain the context of his crackdown before engaging the U.S. president in a discussion of the deaths.

forums poster "goatstein" continues acting as poorly-disguised actual president of island nation in asia, liberal crybaby directed to continue weeping fatly



obama isnt fat. remember when goons were masturbating over his beach bod

#167
U.S. says 'words matter' after Obama, Duterte meeting canceled

President Barack Obama's planned meeting with his Philippine counterpart was canceled because the tone of the Philippine leader's rhetoric raised questions about the chances for a productive talks, the U.S. State Department said on Tuesday.

"Words matter, and we want to see an atmosphere that is cordial and open to strong cooperation," State Department spokesman Mark Toner said after President Rodrigo Duterte called Obama a "son of a bitch" and said he would not be lectured over extrajudicial killings in the Philippines' drug war.

Some works of art require no editorialization.

#168
question for dudes who are crying about this: how many future composers and rocket scientists do you think are to be found tweaking in a manilla junkyard
#169
i think human life is intrinsically valuable
#170
goatstein has a complex about addicts that it would be rude of us to delve into
#171
my complex is that i've met them irl
#172

Panopticon posted:

i think human life is intrinsically valuable




dont troll.

#173
can you imagine a world where people actually believed that human life was intrinsically valuable? we live in the shadow of that lunacy as it is. let's direct all human work and genius to the ends of both blasting out as many superfluous naked apes and keeping them breathing as long as possible without considerations of opportunity cost or consent or mercy. a waking nightmare
#174
Ah yes, those stupid drug addicts! Why don't they just go get a job and pull themselves up by the bootstraps? The world needs more drug wars to make sure all those 15 year olds smoking pot get what they deserve.
But it's just the junkies you have a problem with isn't it goatstein? The millionaire kids who abuse drugs are ok since they don't make you feel uncomfortable when you see them outside the liquor store.
#175

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

can you imagine a world where people actually believed that human life was intrinsically valuable?



yeah, communism

#176

colddays posted:

But it's just the junkies you have a problem with isn't it goatstein? The millionaire kids who abuse drugs are ok since they don't make you feel uncomfortable when you see them outside the liquor store.



yeah basically

#177
i bet you DONT CARE AS MUCH about drug addictions that do not affect you and you never see or interact with
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tears posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

can you imagine a world where people actually believed that human life was intrinsically valuable?

yeah, communism



actually i think you will find that communist nations are generally comparable to islamic nations in terms of the penalties for drug possession and trafficking, generally vastly tougher than liberal democracies. even glorious True Communism would presumably have little use or tolerance for lumpenproles who constantly imbibe a mr. hyde elixer that turns them into the worst people who have ever lived

#180
on the topic of addicts: how did china 70 or so million people off opium in 3 years when they became communist

how about vietnam?

would be great to get some ideas for our communities afflicted by heroin

heres something i found googling:

How Did the Maoist Revolution End Drug Addiction?

In China, the revolution created a People's Liberation Army and then a new People's Government. This government and the revolutionary masses were led by the Maoist vanguard party, the Communist Party of China. When the revolution won in 1949, the power in society SERVED THE PEOPLE for the first time, not the oppressors. There were big problems of all kinds, left over from the old society. But now it was possible for the people to be organized in their own interests to solve those problems.

From the first months of the NEW POWER, the revolution used the Maoist method of MASS LINE to take on drug addiction. This campaign did not rely on social workers talking down to the people or on punishments. The revolutionary communists relied on THE MASSES OF PEOPLE -- throughout cities and countryside -- to organize themselves to end drug manufacturing, sale and use.

The Maoist revolutionaries called on the addicts themselves to step forward, kick their habit and join the struggle for a new society. The Maoist revolutionaries organized the people in the communities to struggle with their addicted brothers and sisters: to persuade them and educate them. Ex-addicts and their families joined big marches and rallies. Drugs were burned at neighborhood celebrations. Kids were organized in their schools. The NEW POWER meant that the newspapers and radio were mobilized to support the revolutionary campaign.

It was hard to kick the habit, and many addicts resisted at first. But the masses knew if an addict was still copping drugs. Children argued with parents. Wives argued with husbands. Everyone asked the addicts to get with the new society.

At the same time, the revolutionaries organized the people to bust up the business networks that sold drug poison to the people. This meant that supplies were disappearing -- it was getting harder and harder for addicts to stay high.

In short, the struggle against drug addiction became a large-scale mass movement -- the kind of mass movement only a true revolutionary government of the people can create.

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24850
#181

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

tears posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

can you imagine a world where people actually believed that human life was intrinsically valuable?

yeah, communism

actually i think you will find that communist nations are generally comparable to islamic nations in terms of the penalties for drug possession and trafficking, generally vastly tougher than liberal democracies. even glorious True Communism would presumably have little use or tolerance for lumpenproles who constantly imbibe a mr. hyde elixer that turns them into the worst people who have ever lived



apparently pre revolutionary china had between 30 and 70 000 000 people addicted in some way to opium imposed by the british, and there were 880 public executions in the course of ending that addiction according to al mccoy

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#184

tpaine posted:

ghoat which flavor monster energy is your favorite




red sugarfree

#185

xipe posted:

on the topic of addicts: how did china 70 or so million people off opium in 3 years when they became communist

in china a lot of the opium dealers also had ties to the japanese or the KMT or were the KMT in some instances iirc so by fighting these enemies the communists were basically hitting two birds with one stone. after the KMT was pushed out of china the cia tried to re-organise them and opium profits were a big part of the organisation effort... then these dealers ended up being very powerful in burma, laos, etc. look up Li Mi for example. even Khun Sa was ex-KMT.

im gonna go over some of this stuff in the vietnam thread eventually

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#186

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

question for dudes who are crying about this: how many future composers and rocket scientists do you think are to be found tweaking in a manilla junkyard

this post is fucking amazing for so many reasons

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#188
composers and rocket scientists is both like the most Nazi possible pair of occupations to put on a pedestal as well as two of the most likely to use stimulants on a regular basis not even in their off time but in the course of their work. just one of the most perfectly clueless GBS things you could say
#189
we must liquidate the degenerate untermensch in order to maximize the number of Wagners and von Brauns, for the glory of hte fatherland
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#192
so your answer to how many composers or rocket scientists you are to find tweaking in a manilla junkyard is, presumably, zero
#193
i'm not married to composers/rocket scientists. how about filmmakers/train conductors. that nazis had those too?? feck...
#194
Yeah but those jobs are bad because Nazis had them.
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#196
a literal do you know who else did X? Hitler. Freakin nice dude.
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#198
what about instead of those we check how many junkies are Colonel Hans Landas / *george will voice* Colonels Hans Landa
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#200
If you inline another YouTube I'm ifapping you till I'm dead (2061). Last warning.