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He joined the YPG at probably the worst time possible seeing as the turks are currently carpet bombing them
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oh god hes gonna get some rank stick and poke tattoos i really hope he doesnt die
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The US/Nato reaction to the Russian ships moving into the Med to support the Syrian campaign is the most pathetic and ironic thing ever. News outlets are giving fearful daily updates on their progress. They're being openly accused of sending ships specifically to massacre civilians. Actual grownups in serious positions of government are wetting themselves that an aircraft carrier might be used to bomb someone, and screaming about (now-cancelled) plans to refuel in spain being a wholesale betrayal of Nato solidarity. They're acting like people should act when the US is sailing around.

Also, all of Nato is now moving troops and weapons to ye olde eastern front like they're preparing for another attempt at Stalingrad.
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you know I was thinking the other day and a good propaganda campaign around elections might be: extend US presidential voting rights to citizens of all countries where the U.S. is engaged in hostilities.

you could make a bunch of liberals have a conniption just by appealing to 'democracy' and the recognizance of how borders are obsolete anyway due to flows of capital and people freely across them.

probably too late to do anything with it in this election, but it'll be better in 2020 anyway b/c then you could do a thing with how the Afghanistan war is 19 years old, so the Afghan people have more of a right to voting, having lived under a U.S. regime longer, than 18 year olds in the u.s.

anyway that's my post, someone remind me about it in four years, tia.

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postposting posted:

you know I was thinking the other day and a good propaganda campaign around elections might be: extend US presidential voting rights to citizens of all countries where the U.S. is engaged in hostilities.



i remember a similar discussion in old LF, iirc it went something like "people we're bombing/toppling should get to vote in US elections" -> "everyone in the world should get to vote in US elections" -> "everyone in the world except US citizens should be allowed to vote in US elections" -> "the heroic struggle of the JDPON will render amerikkkan voting obsolete"

and i think that was the ultimate resolution adopted

(i may have left out a few page-snipes with the word "cum")

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postposting posted:

you know I was thinking the other day and a good propaganda campaign around elections might be: extend US presidential voting rights to citizens of all countries where the U.S. is engaged in hostilities.

like puerto rico and wshington dc

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Mike Nelson here.
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I think (Saleh) is wrong but I think it is less dumb than that. He is identifying the "Syrian Revolution" with a small number of irrelevant leftist circles which probably claim way more support than they actually have. Those groups are a side-effect of the early street protests and probably have all sorts of different relationships with different groups. It probably does appear like the US opposes those little circles because the arms and aid are probably flowing to the various jihadists that then kill the leftists whenever they might actually pose a threat. But even if you have sympathy with the fringe leftists, it's like... you can't use that as a reason to just deny every basic fact about the situation.
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Well, he goes on to say that ISIS is the lesser evil as compared to Assad, and that the US is literally propping up Assad (by not letting Turkey go whole motherfucking hog), so it actually is really really dumb.
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the greatest tragedy of the situation is how isis has been repeatedly, aggressively and thoroughly misgendered
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Constantignoble posted:

i remember a similar discussion in old LF, iirc it went something like "people we're bombing/toppling should get to vote in US elections" -> "everyone in the world should get to vote in US elections" -> "everyone in the world except US citizens should be allowed to vote in US elections" -> "the heroic struggle of the JDPON will render amerikkkan voting obsolete



yeah,

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i like the "CIA prevented the FSA from getting heavy weapons from the Gulf states early on and that lead to ISIS" talking point that Michael Karadjis coined.
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also there was a legit opposition to Assad early on but they decided to accept the reforms offered within the realm of the current Syrian state (I.e. without regime change) and are now considered collaborators by the current opposition. they may still have their differences with Assad's govt. but they recognize that a bunch of US-armed mercenaries aren't offering improvement.

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HenryKrinkle posted:

also there was a legit opposition to Assad early on but they decided to accept the reforms offered within the realm of the current Syrian state (I.e. without regime change) and are now considered collaborators by the current opposition. they may still have their differences with Assad's govt. but they recognize that a bunch of US-armed mercenaries aren't offering improvement.



i looked up that leftist opposition NCC group and then looked up its rivals/critics which get referred to as 'the revolution' by trots and the legitimate government in waiting by NATO...


they are either defunct (wiki and websites down or last updated in 2011, 2013 and 2014 respectively)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Revolution_General_Commission
https://www.facebook.com/SyrianRevolutionGeneralCommission/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_National_Council
http://www.syriancouncil.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Council_of_the_Syrian_Revolution
https://www.facebook.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AC%D9%84%D8%B3-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D9%84%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-Supreme-Council-of-Syrian-Revolution-116159318470147/

or if they still exist are actively praising car bombs driven by child soldiers as part of the alqaeda/moderate offensive in aleppo at the moment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Coordination_Committees_of_Syria
https://www.facebook.com/LCCSy

it seems to be the same for the individual USAID-funded city councils which replaced the existing syrian city councils (publicly murdering the municipal workers when they did so) when the FSA took over ... their fb pages either no longer exist, are nothing but battle reports or at best they show guys dumping jcbs full of trash bags into landfill or taking photo ops at community gardens...
with inspiring revolutionary activity like that you can forgive trots from being blinded to some of the flaws

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xipe posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_National_Council



should be noted that this SNC was deprecated years ago in favor of a different one (Syrian National Coalition)

ed: or maybe i've misunderstood, and the latter absorbed the former without disbanding it, since it seems the one has withdrawn from the other at least once

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rania khalek felt it was necessary to quit at EI because of a hideous smear campaign from the usual suspects. she's currently in syria and her feed is pretty informative right now.

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the stupidest thing about that whole debacle was the other set of usual suspects complaining that her pivot on syria was a coordinated campaign designed to split the palestine solidarity movement
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Mike Nelson here.
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Just checking in: So far I have kept my hands off Syria.
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Freddie The Beer on Syria and neo-McCarthyism (pro clix) https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/11/syria-and-the-reemergence-of-mccarthyism
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

Freddie The Beer on Syria and neo-McCarthyism (pro clix) https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/11/syria-and-the-reemergence-of-mccarthyism



on one hand, yeah red baiting is still here, on the other...

I believe that some sort of American military intervention in Syria is likely coming.





And, perhaps worse for those of us on the socialist left,





the political battle over this war will not involve conservatives and some liberals fighting against a more-or-less unified radical left. This conflict will, I believe, divide the already-weak left, leaving it in tattered pieces.



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like, that piece makes perfect sense if you pretend that american military intervention in syria is something that hasn't happened yet and isn't currently opposed by leftists, but will rather happen later as scheduled for the convenience of most of freddie de boer's readers (lefty liberals) to first declare themselves part of the "radical left" and then declare the "radical left" to be "torn asunder" by their own wishy-washy ambivalence over further destroying syria
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freddie de boer can fuck off imo!!!!
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cars posted:

like, that piece makes perfect sense if you pretend that american military intervention in syria is something that hasn't happened yet and isn't currently opposed by leftists, but will rather happen later as scheduled for the convenience of most of freddie de boer's readers (lefty liberals) to first declare themselves part of the "radical left" and then declare the "radical left" to be "torn asunder" by their own wishy-washy ambivalence over further destroying syria


He's right insofar as an official, 'traditional' intervention is yet to come, and will no doubt lead to fierce disagreement between principled anti-imperialists and 'the left'

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its me, I'm the inefectual and insane assad supporter freddie deBeers is talking abou
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tears posted:

its me, I'm the inefectual and insane assad supporter freddie deBeers is talking abou



*le

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the more i re-read this thing the stupider it looks to me. what i gather from this column is that FREDRIK DEBOER writing about the left is like george h.w. bush and pot in that dave barry column about "i didn't inhale" during the 1992 election. De Boer says he would like to try the Left, but no one will give him any.

like... Heller in the Socialist Worker writing about the "Assad-Iran-Russia Triple Alliance", which reads as either total Krauthammer-soaked senility or like a brainwave from the mothership, depending on whether or not you're schizophrenic enough to parse why "Assad" is now a country? the L.A. Review of Books, literally a Tumblr for college professors? a bunch of people expressing the same shit as found in publications every leftist denounces, only phrased like the writer just put away fifty grams of amanita on the top floor of a library? what's going to happen if De Boer expresses the actual anti-imperialist views of the people for whom he claims to be running interference, which are comparatively simple and plain if pure evil to Democrats and Republicans? will he shit his pants? it seems like he might.

i really don't like to paint this analogy on Heller in particular but this is like how back in my idiot college days we kept hearing from half-blind senior citizens waddling around the lecture circuit that the Left was super skittish about anti-Zionism now, while that the only people who seemed that way were... half-blind senior citizens waddling around the lecture circuit claiming to speak for the rest of us, and, on occasion, their zombie Trot campus sycophants who refused to speak to the rest of us except to announce their latest never-to-arrive planned takeover of whatever we were doing that month.

the left is as small and shitty and marginal in the u.s. as it has ever been in my life but it's also nearly entirely absent from this fat headed thinkpiece, maybe because it would be horrifying for the writer to confront exactly how successfully the supposed mainstream left views from less than a decade ago have been hacked out of the discourse, how few are truly left among the Left, at least in the U.S. i mean, it sucks, i don't like confronting it very much either, but it's not like he's talking about voting for Jill Stein in this piece either so he might as well talk about it.
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i got a cockfight to focus on!!
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colddays posted:

An event I'm attending soon is going to use the opportunity to also raise funds for the White Helmets.


I haven't gotten a response yet so I guess the 500 dollars they raised is probably going to end up being shot out of Jabhat Fatah al Sham rifles or making a crater on an Aleppo street. Or I guess they'll probably just get another camera. I don't know how they choose what funds go where, I'm not in the CIA.

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cars posted:

freddie de boer's readers (lefty liberals)


this is really all anyone needs to say about him

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the local PSL and Green chapters had a friendly debate about La Riva and Stein which went really well, til a former ISO member in the audience decided to start ranting about Syria. trots are getting really hostile now that theyre looking alone
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I was at a talk by ray McGovern a few days ago, a trot front group was co-organising it and they had a meltdown midway as it became clear the speakers and the audience were against the war on Syria
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update, the Triple Alliance has been updated to a Quadrilogy, now includes: Assad, Iran, Russia, and Alien Resurrection (Special Edition)
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this american army guy talks a bit about the training program for rebels

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every time i load a page on this site the status bar in the browser tells me it's loading from somethingsensitive dot com and i was like wtf.. turns out one of ilmdge's awards in his sig is broken. thinking we need to probe some resumes here.
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oh yeah those racist offsites had those badges that users got, and at wddp a bunch of us started leeching the communist badges from them. also a bunch of users leeched the bicycle one