#41
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SNIPE

edit:
I guess to be fair to Horselord I should probably post what was originally here:

'Yeah, you've gotten pretty lumpen as of late

goondolences'
#42
take a shit on the floor
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haha another first world labour aristocrat parasite died a well deserved death by starvation in a damp home with no power because his welfare was revoked. i'm very smart and we shouldn't try to organize people. read settlers dot com bitch
#43
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The dude just put together some nice pamphlets and you are being a weirdo about it and arguing against imaginary positions
#44
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I'm sorry about your house man but maybe tears isn't the correct target of your vitriol
#45
UNUSUALY COOL
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make shit to critique/revise before critiques and revisions...
#46
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Nobody is saying any of the stuff you keep claiming they are saying. A lot of people here do try to organize people, which is a feat i'm pretty sure you are mentally and emotionally incapable of.

I'm not sure whether to call it bad faith or intellectual dishonesty, but you keep harping on this 'criticism of bad pamphlet praxis' thing even after your concerns have been addressed.

I'm sorry you are going through a tough time with your housing situation. But can you please show some humility and back off a bit from this silly fight you've picked with posters trying to make pamphlets?
#47
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pogfan1996 posted:

The dude just put together some nice pamphlets and you are being a weirdo about it and arguing against imaginary positions



i literally quoted tears weird thirdworldist use of "labour aristocrat" as an excuse to not try

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Dont Mess With Sucess
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Belphegor posted:

Nobody is saying any of the stuff you keep claiming they are saying. A lot of people here do try to organize people, which is a feat i'm pretty sure you are mentally and emotionally incapable of.

Don't be rude

#49
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Horselord posted:

don't sign me up for shit i'm literally losing my home in the next week or two



the sincere concern about this post is heartwarming but stop PMing me i'm fine and using the eviction as an excuse to go cycle touring. it was just a blunt reason why i'm not free to do a thing

#50
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alright, so have we established who the audience of these pamphlets are?

normies or clueless communists like myself?

if it's the former i think it should start simply by saying stuff like:

hey! have you noticed things have been getting really bad under both parties?
- you hear about black people getting killed a lot near police
- your hispanic friends are being shoved in vans and taken away
- your pay and benefits are inadequate and you feel like a tool in the workplace
- you think people should be equal and have control over their productions
- you fantasize about politicians being put up against a wall

congratulations you may be a communist!
#51
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let's argue for a 15 dollar minimum wage... globally.
#52
Online
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marlax78 posted:

let's argue for a 15 dollar minimum wage... globally.



#53
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if i'd known that spending somespare time scanning a legacy pamphlet about the korean war for a few friends and then posting it on a niche irony forum was going to cause a total meltdown.... id have done it sooner
#54
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swampman posted:

Belphegor posted:

Nobody is saying any of the stuff you keep claiming they are saying. A lot of people here do try to organize people, which is a feat i'm pretty sure you are mentally and emotionally incapable of.

Don't be rude



I'm sorry, Horselord.

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tears posted:

if i'd known that spending somespare time scanning a legacy pamphlet about the korean war for a few friends and then posting it on a niche irony forum was going to cause a total meltdown.... id have done it sooner


your the one who took generalized criticism of how pamphlets are misused for outreach as an attack on your own personal efforts,

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Horselord posted:

tears posted:

If after considering the history of the british working class since owenism, combine with the knowledge that millions of often very poorly educated workers and peasants have taken up arms across the world with a better grasp of marxist theory and practice than us, you think the lack of revolution in britain is because the pamphlets use too many big words and dont talk to peoples real interests: a greater share of the profits of imperialism; then i dont know what to say, maybe read some more pamphlets?

tears, a third worldist, smells bad: people in our country are all labour aristocrats, which is the same as being bourgeois, so we should never talk to them and just focus on ourselves and those who become communist on their own. socialism will never happen here and this is all pointless

me, handsome, lives in a flophouse: its bad to intentionally isolate yourself from the masses because you can't actually achieve anything that way ever. its important to spread our ideas as widely as possible from first principles because they're almost completely unknown here; and to gain prestige, goodwill and credibility by serving the people because "labour aristocrat" is a useless way to describe the many people who are seeing their economic status continually degrade at best and are literally dying of poverty en masse at worst. then we'll really have something cooking

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#58
Online
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If you were a moderator you could appoint a thread monitor to probate them.
#59
Kurdt
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everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. historical and dialectical materialism have an inherent appeal to those who are exploited due to being useful tools for understanding and changing the world. I believe this is the only reason why they've managed, against all odds and all the concerted might of repression and propaganda to survive and in fact are more relevant than ever.

marxist and marxist-leninist movements have a rich and nuanced history and philosophical foundations that should not be overly elided or condensed in attempting to simplify. we should aim to present true ideas clearly and coherently, and incorporate contemporary imagery, idioms, vernacular, etc. -- but I believe there is a real risk of the medium becoming (or obscuring) the content. above all, right now I think we need to clearly differentiate authentic marxist analysis from the false promise of well-intentioned progressive liberalism, and that requires drawing lines and distinctions that will unavoidably be perceived as sectarian and exclusionary. we need to think dialectically about where that line is best drawn.
#60
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i really wanted to update this thing with decent images, these come from a fuzzy pamphlet, badly scanned, and look bad;, if anyone was any good at finding things on the internet, or could point me where to look... they must exist
































e.g. i found this one:



e: and this 1

Edited by tears ()

#61
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I made a pamphlet it was ok. It had a side by side comparison of socialism vs capitalism, showing that socialism is better. I couldn't think of anything else so I put Apolitical Intellectuals on the back.
#62
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i finished the one i'd really wanted to make, its a companion to the gotfed appel one



new marketing technique, sample page:



download pamphlet: http://docdro.id/Aw2arkK
download reading version: http://docdro.id/IWZKqLQ

reasons to read this pamphlet:
it has a bit like settlers except about europe
rude about the AFL-CIO
unlike most stuff not just a big neg, includes section: what you can do
will make me happy
#63
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Ah now there's the classic rhizzone mutilated corpse photo style that we've come to know and love. Front page this bad boy asap
#64
Marxsplainer
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here is a good contemporary pamphlet i know, i know, crimethinc lol

but it's got a nice snappy cover design, a good layout and typeface, and is written in easy-to-understand tone that doesn't rely on a lot of prior knowledge of theory. it's the perfect sort of thing to hand out at a demo or other event to sympathetic bystanders. dense theory doesn't really work for pamplets imo

#65
UNUSUALY COOL
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hmm... italian WWII partisans covered by gigantic SPD anti-communist symbol on the cover... checks out.
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Marxsplainer
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i know the SPD's anticommunist imagery is extremely gulagworthy. my point is that if you invest just a little bit of time learing how to work a pirated copy of illustrator your propaganda won't look like something a schizophrenic banged out at the kinko's
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anarchists do have pamphlet game thats true.
#68
Marxsplainer
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here is a revised cover of one of the pamphlets above that I humbly submit for review
#69
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thats pretty cool, im bad with computer so don't know what to do with it though, maybe i will pirate "illustrator" as you recomend , mauybe i will not
#70
Marxsplainer
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i'd be happy to edit the pamphlet into a pdf that's ready for 1/2 page foldover printing with a nice wraparound cover if youd like
#71
Marxsplainer
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i just got my hands on a cheap high-volume printer with refillable ink tanks so i'm game to get my pamphlet on
#72
chickeon
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is the lil world map supposed to be E/W reversed or just upside down. was musin about how it still uses a super north-centric projection and realized that sucker's straight up mirrored
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#74
Dont Mess With Sucess
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roseweird posted:

the guy on the right is using his hands to demonstrate how big solidarity is

they were swinging on a vine too long and their elbows got stuck like that

#75
Black Belt
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so ive decided to start making flyers and pamphlets and stuff for the local and thus to try and breathe some life into this thread. canva.com is a decent site if you dont have/want any software and are making just an image or flyer. but i dunno what to use for a pamphlet. thoughts? i saw a mention to just use a word processor but do people who're trying to make it look purdy use indesign or something?
#76
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i used to make zines with a mate of mine and he laid everything out in photoshop, if you're comfortable with that or similar software it's probably the easiest option because indesign is made for professional layout and its pretty complicated to learn just to lay out flyers and stuff
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UNUSUALY COOL
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gyrofry posted:

everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. historical and dialectical materialism have an inherent appeal to those who are exploited due to being useful tools for understanding and changing the world. I believe this is the only reason why they've managed, against all odds and all the concerted might of repression and propaganda to survive and in fact are more relevant than ever.

marxist and marxist-leninist movements have a rich and nuanced history and philosophical foundations that should not be overly elided or condensed in attempting to simplify. we should aim to present true ideas clearly and coherently, and incorporate contemporary imagery, idioms, vernacular, etc. -- but I believe there is a real risk of the medium becoming (or obscuring) the content. above all, right now I think we need to clearly differentiate authentic marxist analysis from the false promise of well-intentioned progressive liberalism, and that requires drawing lines and distinctions that will unavoidably be perceived as sectarian and exclusionary. we need to think dialectically about where that line is best drawn.


#78
mt.real
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i hope horselord found a home
#79
mt.real
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also don't make ugly garbage that looks like you're schizophrenic or are shilling for jehovah's witnesses, imo. i don't even know if there is any design that wouldn't make most people immediately think one or the other. go for maximum production value and hope for the best i guess

that being said i should really add some more ways to get things on the front page here and give it a lil refresh
#80
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probably the easiest way to appeal to most of the people in the English-speaking West who would ever read a pamphlet is to use a font that makes it look like a broadside written by a cobbler with gout in the 18th century, like Double Pica or w/e for the headers at least. or if you're just trying to get Communists to read it use fat face fonts so it looks like it's announcing a 19th c. riot over no potatoes