#161
i want to know how many people who liked this in 2013 talked about the "white working class" as a meaningful political entity in 2016
#162
also lol: Is Nick Land the most important British philosopher of the last twenty years?
#163
i heard this thread was about vampires
#164
Holy shit, 40,000 retweets for comrade adamjohnsonnyc. Red salute
#165
http://gawker.com/peter-thiel-is-interested-in-harvesting-the-blood-of-th-1784649830
#166
Gawker seems to be better now that all they have left is desperate, petty spite.
#167
ITS ONLY AFTER WE LOST EVERYTHING, THAT WE'RE FREE TO DO ANYTHING---TYLER DURDEN
#168
#169
person: wouldn't it be cool to be a vampire?
me: let me tell you about imperialism and the labour aristocracy
#170
did they ever find out if there was really a vampire in the castle?
#171

postposting posted:

did they ever find out if there was really a vampire in the castle?



turns out it was in another castle

#172
Mark Fisher obit.

this focusses more on the music side of things, but he had a similar impact in political philosophy. the two main things i would credit him with popularizing on the internet were zizek and adam curtis. they both seem a bit banal to us now, because their main ideas have just been absorbed into the twitter hivemind, but back in 2004 they were very exciting. at that time, kpunk was really the main person pushing them and hosting the discourse. a large part of why adam curtis became globally popular is because kpunk&co actually recorded the documentaries off of british cable tv and hosted them on the internet before youtube existed. when zizek blew up in the late oughties he already had a lot of content out online because the kpunk-centered blogs had spent years sharing and discussing his writing.

by the time fisher finally wrote capitalist realism, the zizek-jameson angle seemed common to the point of being a cliche, but really he was largely a victim of his own influence. it seemed obvious because he had spent years popularizing the antecedents to his thesis
#173

solzhesnitchin posted:

zizek and adam curtis



But i hate both of those people

#174
i'm not a big zizek fan these days either, but the competing alternative to zizek or curtis in that cultural space at that time was not marxism or anything close. trust me, zizek and curtis represented a dramatic shift towards bhpn-approved thought rather than away.
#175

glomper_stomper posted:

cock-sucking (not in a good way)



Catchphrase.

#176
2004, haha that makes me a zizek hipster then, wow
#177
im old, and kill me.
#178
Just Vampire Things: zizek on film is actually good.
#179

cars posted:

the term "social justice warriors" and the ideology surrounding it weren't at all fringe in 2013 and the "terminology describing it", if you're talking about things such as "social justice warriors", is a far-right rhetorical farce with no sound material basis to how it's used



It is right-wing, but only because leftists were reluctant in naming our disease in the first place. Anyone calling out identity politics was immediately shut down, which surrendered critical leverage to the right-wing to address the socjus stuff in their own terms.

It's very hard to deny that the socjus phenomenon is a coherent constellation of ideas and attitudes. These people have a specific vocabulary, class composition (middle-class students/academics and burnouts), psychological profile (Cluster B disorders), method of organizing ("horizontalism") and (lack of) practice, which are all easily identified. Their politics are an excuse for damaged people to prey on each other, to engage in self-flagellation and find out who is the biggest victim through their identity charts. There is a platonic ideal of "SJW things" which identifies this subject beyond all doubt, it is not a "farce" or a phantasmagoria, the SJW has been subject of endless parodies and memes for a reason. If any of you is unlucky enough to still be involved in student politics or left-wing academia, you know the socjus takeover is undeniable and intractable.

The disintegration of the left is not their fault, of course, the SJW is just another symptom of our general disease, of how the left became a subculture esconced in academia, mired in cultural sub-politics and movementism, totally cut off from the labor movement and the real experience of workers. These people are not even "wrong" as such, they immerse themselves in this game of identities and locate their injustices in a maze of racial and sexual configurations because of the poverty of political education; they never had a chance in the first place. The language of class and any economics that isn't right-wing propaganda were stripped from leftism after the fall of communism, a whole apparatus of leftist political education was destroyed, most young people have no idea what even "unions" are. After all, who needs Marxism when you have intersectionality science?

#180
the problem with accepting SJW as nomenclature is that it focuses on what that strain of politics promotes, when the central problem is what they don't promote. i deny that there's anyone who is problematically overzealous in seeking social justice; there's just a lot of people who do that without a marxist component, which both means they're wrong and means they're implicitly accepting the idea that liberal capitalism is meritocratic, but for institutional racism/sexism--which means they're telling every white working class person that they're shit who can't "succeed" even when given an unfair advantage
#181
the phrase social justice is like 100+ years old and was used enthusiastically by socialists since forever, why should anyone give a fuck what a bunch of sniveling nazi nerds on the internet think or say. the set of discursive practices that represents is a degenerated and reactionary one marked by moral and intellectual bankruptcy; it should be ridiculed and forgotten not seriously considered
#182

chickeon posted:

the phrase social justice is like 100+ years old and was used enthusiastically by socialists since forever, why should anyone give a fuck what a bunch of sniveling nazi nerds on the internet think or say. the set of discursive practices that represents is a degenerated and reactionary one marked by moral and intellectual bankruptcy; it should be ridiculed and forgotten not seriously considered



this is what i mean by the critique of the critique. the tumblr teen discourse, when it is discoursed by literal teens on the literal website tumblr dot com, is extremely ineffectual and easy to mock. and to be honest there's nothing inherently wrong with that it's just kids talking among themselves about their own lives. but some of those kids grew up and got jobs in the media and academia without learning anything along the way, which aside from helping literally nobody just means they form a kind of reactionary yinyang complex with the aforementioned snivelling nazi nerds and its up to nice ppl like us to properly reject all that

#183

thirdplace posted:

i deny that there's anyone who is problematically overzealous in seeking social justice



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/19/bahar-mustafa-goldsmiths-diversity-officer-student-union-su_n_7311398.html

A London university’s Diversity Officer may lose her job after allegedly tweeting with the hashtag #KillAllWhiteMen and referring to people as “white trash” on an official university Twitter account.

Bahar Mustafa, VP for Welfare and Diversity at Goldsmiths Student Union, is already embroiled in a race row after attempting to ban white men from a campus event.

She also claimed she is inherently unable to be racist because she is from an ethnic minority and is female.

#184
Mustafa then turned into a bat and flew off, presumably to a castle
#185
who will protect the white males of the ukkk from the transylvanian menace?
#186

postposting posted:

who will protect the white males of the ukkk from the transylvanian menace?



judging from recent trends, a fascist lynch mob

#187

COINTELBRO posted:

It is right-wing, but only because leftists were reluctant in naming our disease in the first place. Anyone calling out identity politics was immediately shut down, which surrendered critical leverage to the right-wing to address the socjus stuff in their own terms.

It's very hard to deny that the socjus phenomenon is a coherent constellation of ideas and attitudes. These people have a specific vocabulary, class composition (middle-class students/academics and burnouts), psychological profile (Cluster B disorders), method of organizing ("horizontalism") and (lack of) practice, which are all easily identified. Their politics are an excuse for damaged people to prey on each other, to engage in self-flagellation and find out who is the biggest victim through their identity charts. There is a platonic ideal of "SJW things" which identifies this subject beyond all doubt, it is not a "farce" or a phantasmagoria, the SJW has been subject of endless parodies and memes for a reason. If any of you is unlucky enough to still be involved in student politics or left-wing academia, you know the socjus takeover is undeniable and intractable.

The disintegration of the left is not their fault, of course, the SJW is just another symptom of our general disease, of how the left became a subculture esconced in academia, mired in cultural sub-politics and movementism, totally cut off from the labor movement and the real experience of workers. These people are not even "wrong" as such, they immerse themselves in this game of identities and locate their injustices in a maze of racial and sexual configurations because of the poverty of political education; they never had a chance in the first place. The language of class and any economics that isn't right-wing propaganda were stripped from leftism after the fall of communism, a whole apparatus of leftist political education was destroyed, most young people have no idea what even "unions" are. After all, who needs Marxism when you have intersectionality science?



nah

#188

Panopticon posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/19/bahar-mustafa-goldsmiths-diversity-officer-student-union-su_n_7311398.html

A London university’s Diversity Officer may lose her job after allegedly tweeting with the hashtag #KillAllWhiteMen and referring to people as “white trash” on an official university Twitter account.

Bahar Mustafa, VP for Welfare and Diversity at Goldsmiths Student Union, is already embroiled in a race row after attempting to ban white men from a campus event.

She also claimed she is inherently unable to be racist because she is from an ethnic minority and is female.



thanks for the heads up, can we get her an account?

#189
"it was not my job to educate you" - last words of the twitter leftist to xir freikorps firing squad
#190
If you think of it in terms of class, it makes perfect sense that middle and upper class young people with privileged upbringings and exposure to the ideologically laden schooling of liberal arts colleges have created the "social justice warrior" (I agree that this term shouldn't be used) culture. I don't see why people treat this like a problem among the left when it isn't among the left at all; they're just liberals. There's no reason to buy into the right's conflation of socialism and liberalism here, and no need to take responsibility for these liberals. If they want to learn something about actual social justice, then let's teach them Marxism, but other than that why even have this conversation?
#191
frankly i wont stand for this lugubrious besmirching of left-wing politics. i would prefer sitting instead
#192
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#193
i think the reason to care about these liberal "identity politics" is because the real application of them is, or at least was, part of Our Praxis. sure, it is a highly bastardized form of it and quite easily co-opted, but the ground it has opened for the Right Praxis should not be ceded to the reactionaries. following it back to its roots, it can be understood as the result of the blunt instrument that Imperialism has wielded on the World for the past 30-40 years as the Law of the Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Decline takes hold. so what to do now? i kind of agree with both cars and their critcs here. As Muslims we need to engage in Jihad, and be rid of this Fitna. not only the Lesser Jihad, against the reactionary or "progressive" blasphemers, but also the Greater Jihad, within ourselves, within our ranks, with those who might be taken in by the Shaitan.

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#194

Panopticon posted:

"it was not my job to educate you" - last words of the twitter leftist to xir freikorps firing squad


hated post, still lol'd

#195

COINTELBRO posted:

cars posted:

the term "social justice warriors" and the ideology surrounding it weren't at all fringe in 2013 and the "terminology describing it", if you're talking about things such as "social justice warriors", is a far-right rhetorical farce with no sound material basis to how it's used

It is right-wing, but only because leftists were reluctant in naming our disease in the first place. Anyone calling out identity politics was immediately shut down, which surrendered critical leverage to the right-wing to address the socjus stuff in their own terms.

It's very hard to deny that the socjus phenomenon is a coherent constellation of ideas and attitudes. These people have a specific vocabulary, class composition (middle-class students/academics and burnouts), psychological profile (Cluster B disorders), method of organizing ("horizontalism") and (lack of) practice, which are all easily identified. Their politics are an excuse for damaged people to prey on each other, to engage in self-flagellation and find out who is the biggest victim through their identity charts. There is a platonic ideal of "SJW things" which identifies this subject beyond all doubt, it is not a "farce" or a phantasmagoria, the SJW has been subject of endless parodies and memes for a reason. If any of you is unlucky enough to still be involved in student politics or left-wing academia, you know the socjus takeover is undeniable and intractable.

The disintegration of the left is not their fault, of course, the SJW is just another symptom of our general disease, of how the left became a subculture esconced in academia, mired in cultural sub-politics and movementism, totally cut off from the labor movement and the real experience of workers. These people are not even "wrong" as such, they immerse themselves in this game of identities and locate their injustices in a maze of racial and sexual configurations because of the poverty of political education; they never had a chance in the first place. The language of class and any economics that isn't right-wing propaganda were stripped from leftism after the fall of communism, a whole apparatus of leftist political education was destroyed, most young people have no idea what even "unions" are. After all, who needs Marxism when you have intersectionality science?



Maybe i am just a burnout with a cluster B personality disorder (kind of true) but this post seems bad and caricatured to me, idk what groups you are specifically referring to though i havent been a student for a long time

#196

COINTELBRO posted:

If any of you is unlucky enough to still be involved in student politics or left-wing academia, you know the socjus takeover is undeniable and intractable.


I'm lucky enough to know that you're dumb, wrong, and full of shit!!

#197
COINTELBRO talks about campus activists the way Gavin McInnes talks about campus activists. Sad!
#198
COINTELBRO is babyhueypnewton's sockpuppet to play devil's advocate iirc, i think one time he accidentally posted from both accounts at the same IP address and got caught. i just decided that this year to try not to post the same thing twice even if it addresses every part of someone's reply.
#199

cars posted:

COINTELBRO is babyhueypnewton's sockpuppet to play devil's advocate iirc, i think one time he accidentally posted from both accounts at the same IP address and got caught. i just decided that this year to try not to post the same thing twice even if it addresses every part of someone's reply.


Gimmick account? Arguing in bad faith?

That's A Ban

#200
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