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Lessons posted:

AmericanNazbro posted:

Jumps from capitalism to socialism(?) without a clear methodology of getting there; A->Z without the letters in between—those letters are M, L and M

Some type of state is required while society moves from capitalism to socialism, otherwise, you risk capitalism reproducing itself via atavism (i.e. concentrations of capital in hands of a few, leading towards a new bourgeoisie).

Is M-L(-M) actually better about this though? The most developed and general M-L theory on the transition from capitalism to socialism is The State and Revolution - which is both remarkably libertarian and (at the time) incredibly attractive to anarchists - yet it had almost nothing to do with how the state actually operated in the USSR or Mao's China, or really any Actually Existing communist state anywhere. It's really more that M-Ls have a remarkable track record of success in achieving state power, though of course given that this control was completely rolled back to a single (or maybe a couple, if you count the DPRK) state almost as quickly as it appeared there's probably reason to be skeptical.



~70 years is "almost as quickly as it appeared"? we didnt even have, like, cars 70 years ago. thats a long time. I mean have you lived for 70 years? You've only been an imperialist for like 23 years or whatever. We all know seven decades is extremely long

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I already made the picture to illustrate how the revolution will occur, comrades. please consult the wolf-pac graphic below. Please note that I think now that the wolf should be labelled "The People" instead of "Communism," but I would rather let you enjoy the unadulterated first version.



As you can see, the Anarchist Ally, the macho man randy savage, is a wildman but he lives and acts on a clear set of morals. He might not want to seize the means of production but he could certainly set up donald trump for a vicious elbow drop or hit Hillary with an illegal object while the ref isn't looking.
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Do anarcho syndicalists have any reading of marx? is that the main thing aside from their fears of "statism" that differentiates reds from anarcho-syndicalists?
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anarchists probably read marx about as much as your average socialist: not at all.
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I probably should get round to reading marx one day. Is he any good
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Not Your S.H.I.E.L.D.
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Pure Rationality is the next best thing to reading Marx. Actually its better. Youll come to the exact same conclusions but without having to take part in a global system of deforestation and consumerist object fetishization
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Petrol Menard, autor del Capital
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Petrol posted:

I probably should get round to reading marx one day. Is he any good


extremely

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i was slogging through the order of things (which is cool but tedious as hell) before i picked up capital and capital is so much clearer and more interesting and also a lot of fun to read
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Okay. Figured id start with Engels' summary. Pretty good so far
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Well I mostly meant like the Labor Theory of Value, do syndicalists deny that shit in favor of a different model, or just not really worry about production and focus more on exchange and self-ownership?
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NoFreeWill posted:

anarchists probably read marx about as much as your average socialist: not at all.



isn't modern day "socialism" called "socialism" specifically to try and hide from the specter of 20th century communism and the scary theory that Bad Misunderstood Men wrote?

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Themselves posted:

NoFreeWill posted:

anarchists probably read marx about as much as your average socialist: not at all.

isn't modern day "socialism" called "socialism" specifically to try and hide from the specter of 20th century communism and the scary theory that Bad Misunderstood Men wrote?



no

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littlegreenpills posted:

Themselves posted:

NoFreeWill posted:

anarchists probably read marx about as much as your average socialist: not at all.

isn't modern day "socialism" called "socialism" specifically to try and hide from the specter of 20th century communism and the scary theory that Bad Misunderstood Men wrote?

no


in the West it seems that way

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Themselves posted:

littlegreenpills posted:

Themselves posted:

NoFreeWill posted:

anarchists probably read marx about as much as your average socialist: not at all.

isn't modern day "socialism" called "socialism" specifically to try and hide from the specter of 20th century communism and the scary theory that Bad Misunderstood Men wrote?

no

in the West it seems that way



in the west it seems like a guy with running water and sewer access is worse off than a guy who has a cellphone a pushbike and a cheap radio but shits in a hole in the ground because he paid for them out of pocket while the first guy didnt. i wdnt worry about how things seem in the west

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I need an updated chart showing where the iphone 6/6 plus fit in to all this
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Dont Mess With Sucess
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Petrol posted:

I need an updated chart showing where the iphone 6/6 plus fit in to all this

up your ass

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Kurdt
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billy mays here and im pulling around to stick iphone 6 in your pooper
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Mike Nelson here.
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you should read 'soviet democracy' by pat sloan or even 'soviet communism a new civilization' if u want to see anarcho-syndicalism in action.