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A self identified socialist in the whitehouse is a good thing in the same way it's a good thing for a black man or woman to be, it overcomes a lot of ingrained assumptions about what's possible in political discourse.

It opens the door for more discussion about Marxist critiques of capitalism which are necessary.
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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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People say the Sanders campaign is useful because it will nudge Hillary left, but by what mechanism will that happen? How are slightly leftier platitudes in the primary going to translate into any divergence no matter how minor in policy
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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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If these guys really want to make a difference they should let Hillary run unopposed and save us all the drama and the kabuki ritual of functional democracy
#84
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if any US senator is going to get any more Facebook likes i for one am glad it's bernie
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dank_xiaopeng posted:

sanders running for president is a Good Thing because it means unlimited opportunities for gettign in screaming arguments with my Dad over dinner furing family get-togethers

this is really the principal aspect

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Marxsplainer
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as always, the principal contradiction that the north amerikan revolutionary must address head on is their Dad

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#88
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djpimpjedi is more than just a troll
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Kurdt
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Swore the oath of office today. I inadvertently caused quite a stir when I pledged that i "...will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United Gaytes." I got a nasty look from the chief justice. I just shrugged and said "honey, you know it's true." Then to show I was only joking I did a little jig, but he still seemed pissed. GOD-FORBID, WE FUCKING LIGHTEN THE MOOD AT OUR OWN SWEARING IN. You can be sure I will pen a new law tomorrow which sternly rebukes his lack of a sense of humor. First Lady Connie said that it wasn't the place, but I just told her to get the fuck out of my White House. Yeah president staev, kicking your wife out I guess we know why it's called the White House!! NARF. ANYSHIT, I hope that God gives me the strength to be an effective shepherd of my people. As Asuka said to Rei in NGE, "Torukka-chan, my heart belongs to your tomorrow."
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To be sure, there are dangers in a Sanders bid for president. Historically, attempts to grow social movements through outsider primary runs — like the 1980s Jackson campaigns — were dead-ends, and possibly even weakened independent political efforts.

....but that is not going to happen now because....
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Kurdt
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he's no 1980s jesse jackson
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another sign that the socialist label no longer conjures images of breadlines and gulags



how do we combat this misconception, comrades

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hell i love bread and gulags
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Marxsplainer
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RedMaistre posted:

To be sure, there are dangers in a Sanders bid for president. Historically, attempts to grow social movements through outsider primary runs — like the 1980s Jackson campaigns — were dead-ends, and possibly even weakened independent political efforts.

....but that is not going to happen now because....



jacobin is bad

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theyre good sometimes. or at least not wrong. that timothy snyder takedown was a fuckin treat.
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they're as good as the people they publish i guess
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Marxsplainer
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mods, change stegs name to Bhaskasaurus jacobinii
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Nebraskasaur Jabroni
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c_man posted:

they're as good as the people they publish i guess



and they publish deadken, soooo

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bb bourgeoisie
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they have some good pieces on gentrification sometimes
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Mike Nelson here.
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best line in the st. james reformist circular's article: "Sanders doesn’t offer the sweeping emancipatory vision or principled anti-imperialist politics that we should demand on the Left, but"
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chickeon
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c_man posted:

djpimpjedi is more than just a troll

yeah he also loves diapers and pornography

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getfiscal posted:

best line in the st. james reformist circular's article: "Sanders doesn’t offer the sweeping emancipatory vision or principled anti-imperialist politics that we should demand on the Left, but"



Okay, I hardly dare realpost with you but i think that there are some serious merits to incrementalism in public policy. If we understand that to be the case, we should probably save our condemnation for people that show no encouraging signs whatsoever, rather than those who might be described as "good, but not good enough".

Though I don't think his entry will nudge Hillary at all. And I sort of think he jumped in to crowd the waters for a more serious left-field contender that might not want to play ball. So fuck that.

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nothing gets the blood going like punching the D for a 75 year old Vermonter
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Mike Nelson here.
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Rank-and-file Democrats agree. For years they’ve prevented their party from splitting the vote and running candidates against him in Vermont — another sign that the socialist label no longer conjures images of breadlines and gulags.

i think this is part of the issue right here. the average person who would benefit from socialism in the world doesn't need to be convinced that socialism is a nice idea, either using that word or just saying what it might entail. most working class people don't hate socialism they just think it's impossible. and they don't think it's impossible because it leads to prisons and poverty. they think it's impossible because the status quo is prisons and poverty for people who resist.

the only people who believed that socialism inevitably meant oppression were middle class white liberals. which is also who academic activists tend to target.

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discipline posted:

I've been saying for years Jacobin exists to discipline red youth into voting Democrat and lo and behold


yes, there is much ink to be spilled about this but one has to be wary of dissidence in this country. in many ways it's a cult & folks doing these things are not what they seem. i simply dont take anything at face value anymore

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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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is jacobin CIA? let's look at the evidence. "jacobin" is an anagram for '"nobj cia" and "nobj" is a vietnamese word meaning "we are totally"
#113
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so cold in the D
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The_Boourns_Identity posted:

A self identified socialist in the whitehouse is a good thing in the same way it's a good thing for a black man or woman to be, it overcomes a lot of ingrained assumptions about what's possible in political discourse.

It opens the door for more discussion about Marxist critiques of capitalism which are necessary.



You posted this in 2015

#115
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Wwe shall over come the ingrained assumptions about who can be Head Hitler In Charge. *tears streaming down face* Today...... We are All Hitler.
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Mike Nelson here.
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Crow posted:

Wwe shall over come the ingrained assumptions about who can be Head Hitler In Charge. *tears streaming down face* Today...... We are All Hitler.

lol

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camera_obscura posted:

getfiscal posted:

best line in the st. james reformist circular's article: "Sanders doesn’t offer the sweeping emancipatory vision or principled anti-imperialist politics that we should demand on the Left, but"

Okay, I hardly dare realpost with you but i think that there are some serious merits to incrementalism in public policy. If we understand that to be the case, we should probably save our condemnation for people that show no encouraging signs whatsoever, rather than those who might be described as "good, but not good enough".

Though I don't think his entry will nudge Hillary at all. And I sort of think he jumped in to crowd the waters for a more serious left-field contender that might not want to play ball. So fuck that.

It's possible he could force her campaign to the left but that won't change the way she governs at all. Actually, even in terms of the campaign he can only shift her primary campaign to the left because once she gets to the general election it's a different story. If he wanted to be useful he should run third party like Nader and make her lose to Bush.

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The political state everywhere needs the guarantee of spheres lying outside it. It is not actualised power, but supported impotence. It is not the power over these supports, but the power of the support. The support is the seat of power.

From Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right by Karl Marx

The bourgeoisie as a class know this, and thus competes aggressively for hegemony in all spheres outside the state, until it becomes a matter of indifference to their interests what faction gains political ascendancy or not.

Meanwhile, we have would-be Revolutionaries who are content to have control of nothing in any domain of civil society-because what is all that to the deep structures of history?-but are willing to compromise the integrity of their position and their critical distance for electoral contests which do not and cannot decide anything important.


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Crow posted:

Wwe shall over come the ingrained assumptions about who can be Head Hitler In Charge. *tears streaming down face* Today...... We are All Hitler.



Are you suggesting that I don't exercise my civic Duty by Voting for the lesser of two hitlers? My accelerator petal was plucked off on a "he loves me not" thanks Barry Hussein Sotero-mayor