SPIEGEL: What? You don't mean that seriously, do you?
Žižek: What I am trying to say is that fascism may have constituted a reaction to the banality and self-complacency of the bourgeois, but
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aerdil posted:this is why you shouldn't do too much coke
ya but for all the cokeheads who turn into someone horrible like zizek or sam kriss there's also the ones who turn out awesome like me or george w bush
yes multiculturalism is valuable and obviously we should be struggling against racism, but he argues that the liberal attitude of 'tolerance' is really just a way of keeping your Neighbor at a comfortable distance.
if we really want to engage with our Neighbor, with honest respect, we need to not rob them of agency and be willing to criticize them in a loving way.
what's actually racist is the liberal attitude which views Muslims purely as a powerless or exploited or radically interpolated group who can only be treated as victims and who deserve "a pass" when it comes to what's acceptable in society.
the problem of course isn't Islam itself, but manifestations or interpretations of islam which are incompatible with the Aspects of European Enlightenment Which Are Worth Keeping
We also need to be intolerant of Christian justifications for homophobia or creationism in school or whatever
when you have someone arguing that gays should be stoned to death or women can't drive because of Islam
who says this
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getfiscal posted:What is 'Islam itself' and how do you have access to it?
I'm not too educated about the Islamic faith so I can't say too much however I respect it because I've seen Muslim believers acting in/through their faith to do wonderful and good and liberating things so I think it has a revolutionary potential like Christianity does, and as a Christian I see Muslims as followers of the same Abrahamic tradition which is cool.
thirdplace posted:the problem with critiquing muslim reactionaries isn't that muslim reactionaries aren't comprador pieces of shit huffing the fumes of an ideology historically used to fight leftism and support absolute monarchy, because they are, its that in most if not all western contexts it supports and feeds into a violent and imperialist discourse.
Well sure, which is why it's necessary to squash the neoliberal propaganda coming from the US hawks demanding that we "name the enemy" by declaring Islam as "the root of the problem". None of the bad stuff associated with Islam today w/r/t "terrorism" makes any sense whatsoever outside of the context of violent resistance against western imperialism or at least a consequence of cold war era anticommunism
I'm just saying it's dangerous and short sighted to fetishize the otherness of Islam in Europe by treating them the way white American bougie liberals treat blacks, as someone to be saved or pitied or who's struggle needs to be narrated by the privileged class in the same pocahontas style mythology that we see in movies like Avatar.
Give them the respect that demand for ourselves by holding them to some of the same ethical standards regardless of cultural difference.
The same is necessary when it comes to cleaning up Christianity in the west, mega churches and fundamentalism needs to be criticized by progressive believers and leftist non-believers alike, without the push towards New Atheism
getfiscal posted:Also... Like... How often does radical Islam come up in your day. You don't have to go around looking for problems. Like when I wake up I don't go ahh shit somewhere in Sudan some girl is getting her genitals cut a bit. That rarely happens to me. So why do I need to write a Guardian article being like our government must ban the export of razors to Africa and then make a viral video with like Iggy Azalea saying "I'm known for being fancy, but today I'd like to talk to you about something that isn't". You can just go get some pizza.
radical islam is never an issue in my day to day life, however people talking about it is all too common deep in the heart of texas
The_Boourns_Identity posted:of course I'm aware that the Islamaphobia in Europe is probably way more rampant and problematic so I understand the hesitation towards anyone suggesting we be more critical of Islam, but I think it's good if it comes from a position of Love as in the way zizek interprets the christian edict to love thy neighbor
what do you think about this point of zizek's: http://qlipoth.blogspot.com/2010/11/wielding-clubs-guns-and-chainsaws.html?m=1
getfiscal posted:Uhhhhhh stop talking to conservatives. Epic sever. If someone says something like police shoot be able to shoot kids for being late to school or whatever just be like "that sure is an opinion" and leave and then read more Mao.
in rural Texas, there is no way to stop talking to conservatives unless I'm engaging in a period of Noble Silence and solitude. to support my family and work I must talk to, even shake hands and smile at conservatives however at least I'm vigilant and always critical, looking for ways to employ psychoanalytic techniques to subvert their ideology
and thanks for the suggestion I've been meaning to deeply re-read on contradiction but alas conflicts always arise
Crow posted:what do you think about this point of zizek's: http://qlipoth.blogspot.com/2010/11/wielding-clubs-guns-and-chainsaws.html?m=1
gotta go for a while but I'll be sure to give this a read and share my thoughts later
getfiscal posted:Iggy Azalea saying "I'm known for being fancy, but today I'd like to talk to you about something that isn't".
haha
The_Boourns_Identity posted:agency
aerdil posted:this is my opinion: youre a bad poster.
The_Boourns_Identity posted:thirdplace posted:the problem with critiquing muslim reactionaries isn't that muslim reactionaries aren't comprador pieces of shit huffing the fumes of an ideology historically used to fight leftism and support absolute monarchy, because they are, its that in most if not all western contexts it supports and feeds into a violent and imperialist discourse.
Well sure, which is why it's necessary to squash the neoliberal propaganda coming from the US hawks demanding that we "name the enemy" by declaring Islam as "the root of the problem". None of the bad stuff associated with Islam today w/r/t "terrorism" makes any sense whatsoever outside of the context of violent resistance against western imperialism or at least a consequence of cold war era anticommunism
I'm just saying it's dangerous and short sighted to fetishize the otherness of Islam in Europe by treating them the way white American bougie liberals treat blacks, as someone to be saved or pitied or who's struggle needs to be narrated by the privileged class in the same pocahontas style mythology that we see in movies like Avatar.
Give them the respect that demand for ourselves by holding them to some of the same ethical standards regardless of cultural difference.
please take this in a spirit of comradery, because i am very far from perfect on it and struggle with it. i also might be wrong. but i don't think it's important to have a line on everything. we're not dictators of the world, we're not politicians, we're not even voters in a remotely genuine democracy. it is okay and imo good to simply be silent on some things, either because we must live lives and cannot devote the time necessary to penetrate imperialist propaganda on a given issue, or because one's position will be jujitsu'd into something vile. i believe both of these things are true when it comes speaking of the flaws of the 'slam as an American. note that this strategy also solves the problem you speak of. together we can overcome this tragic and damaging addition to Posting
The_Boourns_Identity posted:of course I'm aware that the Islamaphobia in Europe is probably way more rampant and problematic so I understand the hesitation towards anyone suggesting we be more critical of Islam, but I think it's good if it comes from a position of Love as in the way zizek interprets the christian edict to love thy neighbor