#121
conec unfollowed me on twitter.......

https://twitter.com/c0nec/status/624804320744198144
https://twitter.com/c0nec/status/624814712610533380

O_O
#122

piss posted:

conec unfollowed me on twitter.......

https://twitter.com/c0nec/status/624804320744198144
https://twitter.com/c0nec/status/624814712610533380

O_O



#123
im following this https://twitter.com/erowidrecruiter
#124
This article by Stathis Gourgouris (fttingly, a Professor of Classics, English, and Comparative Literature) is...something.

All in all, the referendum has enabled Syriza finally to govern: to pursue the making of a different governmentality. The no doubt odious terms of the post-referendum agreement were meant to deprive Syriza of governmental capacity, and there are people, including within Syriza, who think this is very much the case. But for Syriza to be deprived of governmental capacity in a real sense would mean to lose popular consent, to split its ranks, and indeed to fall, to return to the political margins. This has always been, after all, the Eurocrats’ ultimately desired outcome. But this has not happened and, given the overwhelming discrediting of the opposition during the referendum and the consistently wide electoral margin in the polls, it is unlikely to happen any time soon....

Nothing is more radical, more troubling, and more trouble-making than a government that proclaims that it disagrees with the policies it has agreed to implement, a government that refuses to identify with these policies because it recognizes them as abhorrent and unfeasible.

Of course, there are realities that are affected by this extraordinarily intense and even violent political show of forces. And there is indeed a reality of defeat in the agreement that the Syriza government was forced to sign. But this reality has been addressed by the internal opposition in the most conventional liberal terms of politics – to the degree of arguing that Tsipras is enacting an anti-politics. A worthy and indeed sumptuous exception has been Slavoj Žižek's call to assume the responsibility of fighting with defeat and from within defeat. Žižek also brilliantly dismantles the obsession with the TINA argument: 'The true courage is not to imagine an alternative, but to accept the consequences of the fact that there is no clearly discernible alternative: the dream of an alternative is a sign of theoretical cowardice, it functions as a fetish which prevents us thinking to the end the deadlock of our predicament.'

TL;DR: The post-referendum defeat has enabled Syriza, and us, to enter the brave new political world of no longer having a plan at all.


#125
of course they namedrop Zizek, the champion of having no plan, demands, or direction whatsoever, the great evangelist of the left marching deliberately into failure. its so transparent
#126
more like got the left marching to it's coke dealres house
#127

Nothing is more radical, more troubling, and more trouble-making than a government that proclaims that it disagrees with the policies it has agreed to implement, a government that refuses to identify with these policies because it recognizes them as abhorrent and unfeasible.

i've said this before but andy kindler has this thing where he talks about trying to get work as a tv actor. and he says that everyone he talks to blames the network executives for not hiring him. but once he was talking to a network executive who said the same thing. so he was like... you are the network executive. and he imitates them like "you know i love you, but i can't get it past me, and you know me".

i always think of that when i read these people who are like "we should take power but then keep things sort of the same", it's like, oh i'd love to build socialism, but you know me, i can't get it past me.

#128
yeah, think capitalism is so bad? go on a coke binge then gimme a call when u wake up in a hedge fund office
#129
FLappo upvoted one of my posts. Truly an honor.
#130

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

FLappo upvoted one of my posts. Truly an honor.

yeah thats a sweet feeling.

#131

aerdil posted:

yeah, think capitalism is so bad? go on a coke binge then gimme a call when u wake up in a hedge fund office

you want half the forum to call you every morning?

#132

RedMaistre posted:

But this reality has been addressed by the internal opposition in the most conventional liberal terms of politics – to the degree of arguing that Tsipras is enacting an anti-politics. A worthy and indeed sumptuous exception has been Slavoj Žižek's call to assume the responsibility of fighting with defeat and from within defeat. Žižek also brilliantly dismantles the obsession with the TINA argument: 'The true courage is not to imagine an alternative, but to accept the consequences of the fact that there is no clearly discernible alternative: the dream of an alternative is a sign of theoretical cowardice, it functions as a fetish which prevents us thinking to the end the deadlock of our predicament.'



i can't fathom the audience for shit like this, it's meaningless gibberish no matter your position on greece or on socialism, the writer seems to know that it's a terrible defense of syriza and it somehow manages to look more timid than zizek, it's like someone told this guy he'd be fired if he didn't write an essay supporting the government in the next half hour

#133
syriza leadership railing through austeruty concessions with opposition support as their own party abandons them
#134

NoFreeWill posted:

shipping is also insanely efficient, and there were danes running long-haul sail shipping into the mid-20th century on very specific routes that were still economically profitable.



plus iirc the major driver of the end of sail was more reducing crew size than coal/oil per se being better than sail. but there's been automated sail control systems since the 1960s. honestly, capitalism would probably survive fine if containerised sail shipping turns out to be viable

#135
i just had a nerd moment where i imagined a sailpunk future
#136
oh wait, i think the biggest thing in the end was the fact that even if steam was slower, it would definitely adhere to a schedule, which ended up driving sail out for everything except carrying massive volumes of low-cost cargo vast distances, like grain from australia to europe or something.

some poindexter turd will clearly come up with a way of connecting wind charts to logistics systems so this is somehow no longer a problem.
#137
a surprising number of fossil fuel "conveniences" can be compensated for by diligent logistics. ultimately the greatest advantage of fossil fuels is enabling lazy, wasteful, haphazard infrastructure
#138
There were probably some economies of scale involved in sail being replaced by coal/oil. The military advantage of coal/oil fleets would require shipyards to build that type of ship. The skills to build the two ships are pretty different too, metal work vs. carpentry, pressure vessel construction vs. rigging and sewing, with the former being less specialized to the naval trade probably. At some point its gotta be cheaper to just pick one.

We probably got enough uranium to run ships on reactors 'til the oceans dry up anyway.
#139
ships without sails can be built larger than ships with sails. the former was crewed by 40 people

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#140

shriekingviolet posted:

a surprising number of fossil fuel "conveniences" can be compensated for by diligent logistics. ultimately the greatest advantage of fossil fuels is enabling lazy, wasteful, haphazard infrastructure



i thought it was eventually making Earth inhospitable to human life

#141
so uh anyone mention yet that tsipras resigned and there'll be new elections next month?
#142
good luck to synapsismos syriza popular unity
#143
i hope golden dawn gets elected, then trump gets elected, then marine le pen gets elected, then the whole world gets destroyed in apocalyptic fascist fervor
#144


"i hope golden dawn gets elected, then trump gets elected, then marine le pen gets elected, then the whole world gets destroyed in apocalyptic fascist fervor" - aerdileficent, the realest ninja
#145
This guy should start a bid for the presidency and his meme can be "the Golden Don"
#146

swampman posted:

ships without sailscan be built larger than ships with sails. the former was crewed by 40 people



thats to do with hull engineering not what powers the thing. the thomas w lawson was comparable in size to steamships of the time

#147

jools posted:

honestly, capitalism would probably survive fine if containerised sail shipping turns out to be viable

u wot m8

#148

Superabound posted:

.custom286565{color:#000000 !important; background-color:#D8D8D8 !important; }shriekingviolet posted:a surprising number of fossil fuel "conveniences" can be compensated for by diligent logistics. ultimately the greatest advantage of fossil fuels is enabling lazy, wasteful, haphazard infrastructure

i thought it was eventually making Earth inhospitable to human life


that's why i'm voting for Trump

#149

Crow posted:

jools posted:

honestly, capitalism would probably survive fine if containerised sail shipping turns out to be viable

u wot m8



Our containerized socialist sail shipping networks do not require the bourgeoisie.

#150
steam engine didn't do capitalism. no evidence
#151
Ive been playing eve for years now so you might say resource wars are a specialty of mine
#152
"war is a racket" - smedley butler

"war makes a racket!" - me living a few miles from an army training base being woken up by gunfire
#153

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

Ive been playing eve for years now so you might say resource wars are a specialty of mine


i always wanted to like eve, but it never happened

#154
i have some cloaked recon ship floating in space somewhere that i left when i quit playing like five years ago
#155
i like reading about eve when something insane happens but i would never play it i think
#156
people used to quietly write poor-quality science fiction stories for their private amusement, now they play eve
#157
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/kke-greece-communist-party-syriza-bailout-memorandum-grexit/

it's so funny to read the boobs at jacobin talk to a serious revolutionary
#158

babyhueypnewton posted:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/kke-greece-communist-party-syriza-bailout-memorandum-grexit/it's so funny to read the boobs at jacobin talk to a serious revolutionary



"If nothing else, the Communist Party of Greece (KKE) has shown itself to be resilient."

yes communism has proven itself quite persistent, why would that be i wonder

#159
Hermann Müller set to hold onto Chancellorship
#160
'Voter turnout set to be lowest in history'