#81

RedMaistre posted:

Even if a divided working class was really the only cause of bloodshed in all of world history, you can't make the proletariat unified simply by wishing it so, since their lack of unity is based upon not only layers upon layers of unavoidable "superstructural" stuff, but also in being pitted against each other by the hierarchical global division of labor that serves as the base for the present global society.


so if i read marx right he says something to the effect that towards the end of capitalism unemployment will be unmanageable for the bourgeoisie, that material conditions will be just so, and that, as a result of this, the proletariat will unite as a class

#82

swampman posted:

What do you do every day irl?



really nothing. i'm unemployed. i apply for work, but once i'm done with that i go for walks, run errands, ... it's really boring...*wistful*such a waste of talent....

#83

methlabretriever posted:

RedMaistre posted:

Even if a divided working class was really the only cause of bloodshed in all of world history, you can't make the proletariat unified simply by wishing it so, since their lack of unity is based upon not only layers upon layers of unavoidable "superstructural" stuff, but also in being pitted against each other by the hierarchical global division of labor that serves as the base for the present global society.

so if i read marx right he says something to the effect that towards the end of capitalism unemployment will be unmanageable for the bourgeoisie, that material conditions will be just so, and that, as a result of this, the proletariat will unite as a class



I don't think he exactly said that, but either way, it hardly matters. We're not talking philology at the moment.

If the workers are still laboring under the curse of Babel and continually talk past each other why would they suddenly unite just because they are more miserable?
If you can't recognize a fellow victim of pauperization as a victim of pauperization, your shared suffering by itself will not bring you any closer towards solidarity. On the contrary...

All other things being equal,further social fragmentation and fighting over the ever diminishing scraps by rival communitarian units seems a more plausible outcome from the bare bones scenario you are proffering here.

#84

RedMaistre posted:

why would they suddenly unite just because they are more miserable?


i think most people want to be loved

#85

methlabretriever posted:

Urbandale posted:

methlabretriever posted:

RedMaistre posted:

So a straight leap to world workers revolution from the present moment is not plausible.

how so? we're all connected now

We've all been connected in the way you're talking about since before world war one. Where's the uniqueness here

The Innernet!!



This reminds me of state & rev when Lenin is nerding out about the postal service, but if Lenin wasn't talking about the specifics of branches reporting to the CC.

What I mean is that the internet does fuck all to eliminate the contradictions between oppressed nations and the proletariat at large

#86

methlabretriever posted:

Urbandale posted:

All revolutions are bloodshed. The alternative is capitalist bloodshed.

this is what i'm talking about. capitalist-induced wars/conflict/violence, like all nationalist and pan-nationalist movements today



Can you make a full argument here? This doesn't make any sense

#87

Urbandale posted:

methlabretriever posted:

The Innernet!!

What I mean is that the internet does fuck all to eliminate the contradictions between oppressed nations and the proletariat at large



it does introduce the ability for the global proletariat to communicate faster than ever before

#88

Urbandale posted:

methlabretriever posted:

Urbandale posted:

All revolutions are bloodshed. The alternative is capitalist bloodshed.

this is what i'm talking about. capitalist-induced wars/conflict/violence, like all nationalist and pan-nationalist movements today

Can you make a full argument here? This doesn't make any sense



all nationalists & pan-nationalist movements of today seek to reproduce capitalism

#89

methlabretriever posted:

Urbandale posted:

methlabretriever posted:

Urbandale posted:

All revolutions are bloodshed. The alternative is capitalist bloodshed.

this is what i'm talking about. capitalist-induced wars/conflict/violence, like all nationalist and pan-nationalist movements today

Can you make a full argument here? This doesn't make any sense

all nationalists & pan-nationalist movements of today seek to reproduce capitalism



nah trick, nahhh

#90

methlabretriever posted:

Urbandale posted:

methlabretriever posted:

The Innernet!!

What I mean is that the internet does fuck all to eliminate the contradictions between oppressed nations and the proletariat at large

it does introduce the ability for the global proletariat to communicate faster than ever before



this is not uniqueness, its just scaled up from mail which is scaled up from the printing press. whats unique about the internet that eliminates national distinctions when mail didnt.

methlabretriever posted:

Urbandale posted:

methlabretriever posted:

Urbandale posted:

All revolutions are bloodshed. The alternative is capitalist bloodshed.

this is what i'm talking about. capitalist-induced wars/conflict/violence, like all nationalist and pan-nationalist movements today

Can you make a full argument here? This doesn't make any sense

all nationalists & pan-nationalist movements of today seek to reproduce capitalism



i hope you know this is horseshit and youre just trolling

#91
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/11716

The Roots of the Current Situation in Venezuela

The current economic, political, and social situation in Venezuela is very complicated, which makes it somewhat difficult for outsiders to make sense of. On the one hand there are many people who defend the Bolivarian revolution, pointing to the successes it has had in reducing poverty and inequality and in increasing citizen participation and self-governance. On the other hand, there is a chorus of critics, not just from the usual suspects on the political right, but often from the left, who criticize the Maduro government’s economic management of the country, corruption, the high inflation rate and shortages, and the trial of a high profile opposition politician, who the government accuses of fomenting violence. How did Venezuela get here? What happened since Hugo Chavez’s death? Did the project derail, get stuck, hit a speed bump, or crash altogether? In order to answer this question, I will first analyze the origins of the current economic situation. Future articles in this series will explore what this history means for the present and immediate future of Venezuela.

The Bolivarian revolution in Venezuela is no doubt undergoing one if its toughest periods at this time. With inflation reaching an unprecedented 160-200 percent for 2015, nearly constant long lines at subsidized supermarkets, and sporadic shortages of many consumer goods, the entire population – whether Chavista, opposition sympathizers, or “ni-ni” (neither one side nor the other) – is frustrated with the situation. While the Maduro government says that the problems are the result of an economic war that is being waged against the government, the opposition argues that it is government economic mismanagement that is to blame. The truth, as usual, is more complicated.

The roots of today’s economic problems can be found in Chavez’s efforts already in 2001, to fundamentally reorganize Venezuela’s economy and polity. That is, back then Chavez proved to the country’s old elite that he would not be their pawn and do their bidding as so many presidents before Chavez had done. Instead, in late 2001 he introduced land reform and oil industry reform legislation that touched on the elite’s two most important sources of economic power. In reaction to this move, the opposition launched the April 2002 coup attempt and the December 2002 oil industry shutdown. These efforts at political and economic destabilization provoked a massive bout of capital flight in early 2003. At first, the government tried to counter the capital flight by intervening in the currency market, using its dollars to purchase the bolivar, in order to keep its price stable. However, this caused the central government to lose dollar currency reserves precipitously and so it abruptly changed gears and introduced a fixed exchange rate in March of 2003.

Ever since then, the currency has been fixed and adjusted very rarely. Only those who meet government conditions to buy dollars with bolivars are allowed to do so. The conditions for gaining access to the official exchange rate include international travel, supporting a son or daughter with their studies abroad, or – most importantly – importing essential goods into Venezuela, among several other types of uses. Of course, almost immediately a black market for dollars sprung up, with an exchange rate that was very different from the official one. At first the official exchange rate was 2.15 bolivars per dollar, while the black market rate quickly reached double or triple that rate.

For a long time, from 2004 to 2008, the Venezuelan economy did quite well, growing at a very rapid rate of, on average, 10 percent per year. This was in part possible because the price of oil was quite high (and climbing), which meant that the government could accommodate most requests for dollars at the official exchange rate. Also, the government’s policies of capturing a far larger proportion of the dollars that the country earned and then reinvesting that money in social programs, education, and in efforts to diversify the economy also made a difference.

However, in mid-2008 the global financial crisis struck and drove the price of oil down from US$140 per barrel in mid 2008, to less than US$40 per barrel in early 2009. Suddenly the government could no longer cover all of the imports with its oil industry earnings and so in June 2010 the government introduced a new exchange mechanism, SITME, which sold dollar-denominated bonds that could be bought in bolivars at an exchange rate that was double that of the previous rate. The combination of SITME and the borrowing to cover the budget deficit meant that total foreign debt increased rapidly in the period from 2006 to 2014, from 10% of GDP to 25% of GDP. Nominal external debt (private and public) went from US$41.8 billion in 2006 to US$134.5 billion in 2014, a 320 percent increase in eight years. The percentage of GDP is indicated on the basis of GDP PPP. The debt to GDP ratio is fairly low compared to the rest of Latin America.

Another measure that the government took during this time was to restrict access to dollars at the official exchange rate. That is, the conditions under which Venezuelans could access dollars were significantly tightened. Fewer dollars were available for travel, for study abroad, and for a more restricted list of imports. The consequence of this action was that the black market exchange rate shot up during this period, going from about 8 bolivars per dollar in 2011, and to 16 in 2012.

Also, since fewer goods could be imported at the official exchange rate, more and more importers began to use the black market to import goods, thus driving up inflation. Even if they used the official exchange rate, rather than undercutting importers who had to pay for goods at the black market rate, people knew that they could make a killing by pricing goods at the far higher black market rate and thus did so. In short, inflation began to heat up too, going from a fairly moderate (for Venezuela) 13.7 percent in 2006, to 31.4 percent in 2008 and holding at 20-21 percent, on average, between 2010 and 2012.

Borrowing in order to pay for the low official exchange rate had another side effect, which is that it increased the volume of bolivars in circulation, relative to the country’s foreign reserves. The M2 money supply figure (which includes circulating cash and bank savings) increased by a factor of 28 (2,800 percent) between the end of 2006 and the end of 2014, while foreign reserves dropped by more than 50 percent during the same time, from around US$30 billion to US$15 billion, according to the Venezuelan Central Bank. Although there is some debate among economists about the importance of this ratio for the exchange rate, it is undeniable that in a context of high inflation, where many ordinary Venezuelans and most businesses seek to buy dollars in order to protect their savings from devaluing, a low demand for bolivars and a low supply of dollars will mean a declining black market exchange rate between dollars and bolivars.

All of these trends became accentuated when President Chavez died of cancer on March 5, 2013 and new elections were held a little later, in April, resulting in Nicolas Maduro’s election by a 1.5 percent point margin of victory. The wave of violence following the election, which opposition candidate Henrique Capriles Radonsky encouraged when he called on people to demonstrate “with all of their rage,” in which 14 people died, only made the perception of political and economic instability worse. Further destabilization attempts, the violent street blockades known as “guarimbas,” between March and June 2014, and which resulted in another 43 dead and over 100 wounded, further exacerbated the economic problems.

That is, the destabilization created further pressure on the black market exchange rate, which, in turn, meant that there was a growing gap between the official and the black market exchange rates that could be exploited for massive profit-making. Anyone who had the opportunity to take advantage of this gap faced enormous temptations to do so.

While the official exchange rate was fixed at 6.3 bolivars per dollar since early 2013, the black market rate had reached three times that, at 18 per dollar. In other words, someone who traveled to the U.S., for example, could buy up to US$4,000 dollars at the official rate (paying 25,200 bolivars). If they did not use this cash up or if they purchased equivalent goods abroad, they could trade that at the black market back into bolivars for a 300 percent profit, earning 75,000 bolivars.

A vicious cycle thus began in early 2014, where an ever-widening gap between the official and unofficial exchange rates created ever-greater incentives to profit from that gap, thereby further widening that same gap. The black market exchange rate thus began to increase exponentially in the course of 2014 and 2015, reaching 100 bolivars per dollar in late 2014 and 800 bolivars per dollar by late 2015, creating a 125:1 ratio between the black market and the official exchange rates. Massive profits of up to 12,500 percent were thus possible.

As a result, more and more people became involved in efforts to acquire dollars at the official rate, mostly by purchasing subsidized goods in Venezuela and (re-)exporting them across the border for an enormous profit (people known as bachaqueros). Of course, major companies are involved in this process too, claiming that they need to import essential goods, and then either not importing these or re-exporting them to acquire dollars. In mid-2014 president Maduro estimated that up to 40 percent of all goods imported into Venezuela (at the official exchange rate) were smuggled right back out again.

A logical consequence of all of this was that more and more goods became scarce at the price-controlled prices and in massive inflation for unregulated goods. That is, already early in Chavez’s second term in office, in 2006, the government had begun to introduce price controls for most essential goods, in order to counter the retailers’ tendency to price things based on the black market exchange rate instead of the official rate. Over the years, the government gradually expanded the number of goods that the price controls covered, which, if adhered to, also meant that more and more products were priced far below what these could be sold for in neighboring countries, thereby adding these products to those that could generate massive profits by re-exporting them.

The big question that everyone asks—both within Venezuela and outside—is, if the low fixed exchange rate is leading to so many economic problems, why has the government not raised the rate? There are two main explanations for this. First, raising the official exchange rate so that it is more in tune with the black market exchange rate and with the prices in neighboring countries would mean raising prices for products imported at the official exchange rate, thereby further stoking an inflation rate that is already far too high. And unless wages are raised correspondingly, changing the exchange rate would also mean a corresponding decrease in incomes and thus an increase in the poverty rate. Second, changing the official exchange rate would represent an admission of defeat in the context of what the government is calling an economic war against Venezuela. While an exchange rate adjustment or devaluation will probably have to happen sooner or later, it is out of the question that such a move (and the implied concession) would be made before the December 6 National Assembly elections. Note, #there is some debate within Venezuela as to whether it makes more sense to call a change in the exchange rate an “adjustment” (the government’s preferred term) or a “devaluation.” I prefer to call it an adjustment because technically the currency has already lost a tremendous amount of its value due to inflation, so, in effect, a lowering of the exchange rate is more of adjustment to the reality that inflation has already devalued the currency – this is especially true if you consider that very few people have access to the official exchange rates, thus making the black market rate more real for most people than the official ones.

In other words, the current situation in Venezuela is a result, first, of the exchange rate control that was meant to defend the currency against the destabilization attempts of 2002, which themselves were the result of the Chávez’s government’s attack on capitalist class interests. Second, an already relatively fragile exchange rate control became worse in the wake of the oil price declines of 2008 and again in 2014, which made it increasingly difficult for the government to meet the demand for dollars without going further into debt. Third, the opposition’s new destabilization efforts against the Maduro government the day after Maduro’s election in April 2013 and again in early 2014, turned the existing economic volatility into a vicious cycle of inflation, shortages, black market devaluation, and renewed inflation. The situation is thus quite difficult for the government and very frustrating for the population.



Good overview of the economic situation in Venezuela. As always, the answer is more socialism.

#92
i'm being serious
#93
love that 'nalysis
#94
:jehusay:

In 2015, now seven years into the crisis, far from a much hoped for social revolution, the Left has been kicked in the face repeatedly. First in Greece, then in France and now Venezuela. You can’t blame the disaster the Left suffered in Venezuela on the euro, on Venezuela’s membership in the EU or NATO, on its lack of a sovereign currency, or on failure to take control of critical industries and other economic factors. In truth,

Venezuela played completely by the radical Left handbook: “How to manage capitalism for the people: 101 fun ways to use the fascist state for your social revolution.”

Here is the thing: Greece and Venezuela took two completely different radical Left paths, but ended up in the same catastrophe. On the one hand, you have SYRIZA’s Plan A: begging Merkel for help with Merkel’s bank, which, unsurprising, led to a vicious ECB-managed effort that brought the entire economy to its knees in a single weekend.

On the other hand, you have the Chavista Plan B: progressively taking the entire economy under your control. While the path taken by SYRIZA led to crushing sanctions that crippled the economy, Venezuela’s radical program, endorsed by many on the “real” Left, had its own entirely predictable costs, when, as the Jacobin article explains, in a throwback to the Soviet economy, “Venezuelans face hours-long lines to purchase some basic commodities and an inability to obtain others”, an inflation rate that has now topped 180%, currency and capital controls, and an ongoing effort by the hostile capitalist class, working hand in glove with the United States, for the overthrow of the revolution.

It is not my intention to argue “It’s their fault.” It is no more Maduro’s fault than it is Tsipras’ fault. There is no “fault” here, because no one is in control of events within the world market. But there has to be some reason why two different and incompatible radical programs managed to end up in the same disaster.

#95

There is no “fault” here, because no one is in control of events within the world market.


*screams eternally*

#96
*CTRL-Fs U.S. Dollar* hmm, no results.
#97
which is funny, given how much emphasis Jehu normally puts upon the role of fiat currency.
#98

methlabretriever posted:

i'm being serious



Then you're just ignorant of national liberation movements. Even in the US we've had a lot of socialist nat lib groups. The panthers revolutionary intercommunalism fits into this, as does la raza unida and the Malcolm x grassroots movement.

#99
who wrote that? I will fight them irl
#100
in the past there have been many socialist nationalist liberation movements. Today almost all nationalist movements are rightist.
#101

methlabretriever posted:

in the past there have been many socialist nationalist liberation movements. Today almost all nationalist movements are rightist.



(u wot m8)
v

#102
the naxalites are in contrast to almost the entirety of europe africa and south america
#103

methlabretriever posted:

in the past there have been many socialist nationalist liberation movements. Today almost all nationalist movements are rightist.



The Malcolm X Grassroots Movement is a stronger and more organized force on the US left than any party that currently exists today. I think you need to do as mao said and investigate more before you speak

#104
i'm skeptical that The Malcolm X Grassroots Movement will defeat ISIS
#105

You can’t blame the disaster the Left suffered in Venezuela on the euro, on Venezuela’s membership in the EU or NATO, on its lack of a sovereign currency, or on failure to take control of critical industries and other economic factors.


#106
i maintain Jehu is a genius and a visionary
#107
friendly reminder that this is the thread to post tips and 'nalysis on staying strong and keeping a stiff upper lip in the face of this setback (but not defeat!) for the Bolivarian Revolution, and NOT for posting overly broad dumb crap past each for several pages
#108

methlabretriever posted:

i'm skeptical that The Malcolm X Grassroots Movement will defeat ISIS

I'm skeptical that you will ever make a good post

#109
we should be honest with ourselves. over the past several years The Global Left has been in retreat on almost all fronts against right-wing paramilitary armies and parliamentary politics.
#110

methlabretriever posted:

we should be honest with ourselves. over the past several years The Global Left has been in retreat on almost all fronts against right-wing paramilitary armies and parliamentary politics.

Maybe you should be honest with yourself: you have no insight into anything and your posts are without value. You are either concern trolling or posting nonsense in every thread. If you are bored, go back and read old threads, or find an actual book to read, or something.

#111
it's ok swampman

#112
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#113

tpaine posted:

take it easy terry. mathlaberetribute or whatever is doing the best he she or whatever can do


that is one cruel burn, even for you

#114
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#115
bippy faked their death
#116
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#117
gender insults... on the rhizzone...
#118

methlabretriever posted:

gender insults... on the rhizzone...


i was misgendered with my very first post

#119

methlabretriever posted:

we should be honest with ourselves. over the past several years The Global Left has been in retreat on almost all fronts against right-wing paramilitary armies and parliamentary politics.



says:

#120

ilmdge posted:

What if methlabretriever is stang's account we're supposed to be onto, sort of like a limited hang out, so we don't notice he's also posting with another account... spatial_reasoning, perhaps? Stay vigilant, all. Any one of us could be the stang and should be badgered relentlessly because of it.



dog, I do not post near as much as this guy. Also, I've posted on LF since 08 :crying: