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assads got india and china with him now in addition to russia, and turkey is even gonna scale down because they dont like how this is potentially empowering the kurds. on the other hand, january 20 2017
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lol

ben norton is really good with posting this stuff lately which is weird because like 6 months ago he wasnt anti-imperialist at all
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speaking of, here's an interview between norton and puryear
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turkish armoured and special forces have entered syria, apparently to seize ISIS held areas between the kurdish cantons to prevent them linking up

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also, "maroon berets" has to be the faggiest name for a special forces unit i've ever heard
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america giving the green light for turkey to kick shit out of the ypg


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i'm enjoying watching these ypg fans freak out over this 'betrayal' (wtf did they expect from the US?) i must say
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Lots of laughs to be had by a persecuted ethnic minority getting attacked by one of the countries thats been violently suppressing them for decades for sure.
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referring more to western anarchist types enthralled by them but an ethnic minority attacking its own ethnic minorities on a quest to form a new israel and getting betrayed while betraying is nice
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xipe posted:

referring more to western anarchist types enthralled by them but an ethnic minority attacking its own ethnic minorities on a quest to form a new israel and getting betrayed while betraying is nice



I don't think theres any actual evidence for the Kurds persecuting minorities (on the contrary, they were the only ones stopping the genocide of the yazidi while noone else cared) except for like, an amnesty international article that John Dolan even sent them an email over which made them clarify that they weren't actually accusing the Kurds of displacing people.

Further its pretty stupid to call it "new israel" since the Kurds are actually occupied by several different countries and their ambition is to be free of said occupation, rather than being a settler state that displaces the indigenous people.

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Ronnski posted:

Lots of laughs to be had by a persecuted ethnic minority getting attacked by one of the countries thats been violently suppressing them for decades for sure.



it must be so hard to pick which foreign power that armed you to pledge allegiance to

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Ronnski posted:

since the Kurds are actually occupied by several different countries and their ambition



one people one goal, no civil war or dissent as far as i know of (i am a idiot)

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IIRC the 1958 Constitution of Iraq fully granted the Kurds equal place in the Government of the new Iraqi state and they let Barzani back into the country but a dispute about i think some land around the euphrates led to the Shah's Iran and Israel somehow supporting the Kurds to lead a civil war in Iraq and thus the modern state of Kuwait was preserved to be a beacon of Liberty And Justice For All Forever

edit: i looked up the 1958 constitution or iraq or just constitution of iraq (edit: ON WIKIPEDIA) and the entire thing is just the U.S. drafted version w/ some reference to how they had, like, 7 constitutions before we invaded

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the ypg decided to attack syrian soldiers (using the alqaeda/nato language of 'assadist regime forces' when they were local assyrians who have been in the area longer than kurds) and to take over a city while the syrian army is busy fighting alqaeda zerg rushes of thousands of fighter, threatening to cut off the supply route to aleppo where 1.5 million people are being protected by the syrian army from this multinational death squad army.

the syrian army gave a truce favourable to them but the next day the ypg was surprise attacked by isis in that city, invaded by turkey and 'betrayed' by the usa.

Ronnski posted:

Further its pretty stupid to call it "new israel" since the Kurds are actually occupied by several different countries and their ambition is to be free of said occupation, rather than being a settler state that displaces the indigenous people.



israel is also the unsinkable aircraft carrier tasked with disrupting any unity that might start developing in the region.

how would a US designed kurdistan differ re: disrupting the plans of iran iraq turkey syria?
look at us protectionate iraqi kurdistan for answers -- blackmailing the iraqi government into giving oil away for free, colluding with the turkish military to crush the pkk etc

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xipe posted:

the ypg decided to attack syrian soldiers (using the alqaeda/nato language of 'assadist regime forces' when they were local assyrians who have been in the area longer than kurds) and to take over a city while the syrian army is busy fighting alqaeda zerg rushes of thousands of fighter, threatening to cut off the supply route to aleppo where 1.5 million people are being protected by the syrian army from this multinational death squad army.

the syrian army gave a truce favourable to them but the next day the ypg was surprise attacked by isis in that city, invaded by turkey and 'betrayed' by the usa.

Ronnski posted:

Further its pretty stupid to call it "new israel" since the Kurds are actually occupied by several different countries and their ambition is to be free of said occupation, rather than being a settler state that displaces the indigenous people.



israel is also the unsinkable aircraft carrier tasked with disrupting any unity that might start developing in the region.

how would a US designed kurdistan differ re: disrupting the plans of iran iraq turkey syria?
look at us protectionate iraqi kurdistan for answers -- blackmailing the iraqi government into giving oil away for free, colluding with the turkish military to crush the pkk etc



Why does it have to be "US designed"? How come people can't have an agency of their own instead of being emtpy vessels filled with CIA money and ideas? Lord knows the US isn't putting all its chips on the YPG to begin with.

Do Kurds lose the right to self determination the moment they get support from the USA? Do they have to ally with Russia and nations whose answer to the "kurdish question" is to hang them in order to be gold star anti-imperialist?

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the kurds were allied w russia
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Ronnski posted:

Lord knows the US isn't putting all its chips on the YPG to begin with.



WAIT WHAT???? *head explodes*

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they were actually supported by the US Russia and Israel at the same time.

I suggest you come back when you can do a real Thug Lessons / conec level troll wherein you accuse us of insanity and also stalk someone on twitter if you really wanna get that 'WoW av wacky troll' vibe to work.
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the kurds were allied w russia



But hell if they weren't also getting support by the USA, thus becoming a CIA front against the people's champ Assad.

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yeah I guess you're right the USSR and the US never funded the same people. how ludicrous of me to even suggest that might be the case

im sorry ronnski you just bring a level of realness and common sense I can't handle right now
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yeah I guess you're right the USSR and the US never funded the same people. how ludicrous of me to even suggest that might be the case

im sorry ronnski you just bring a level of realness and common sense I can't handle right now



To be honest I have absolutely no idea what point you're even trying to make. Heres mine though: that I absolutely support the YPG against tinpot dictators and jihadists regardless of whom they are getting temporary support from. Gloating about them getting attacked by Turkey, which has a long history of ethnic cleansing, is a bad look.

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That is the NATO gcc strategy to destroy the sovereign independent country of 27 million people by cruelly flooding them with mercenaries and car bombs and breaking it into right wing enclaves.

Thanks for your brave unconditional support of Western intervention against tinpot arab dictators
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To be honest I have absolutely no idea what point you're even trying to make. Heres mine though: that I absolutely support the YPG against tinpot dictators and jihadists regardless of whom they are getting temporary support from. Gloating about them getting attacked by Turkey, which has a long history of ethnic cleansing, is a bad look.



can you give a summary history of the YPG?

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what is the YPG vs or as an evolution from the PKK and what is each of their positions w/r/t marxist-leninist-maoist theory?
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jk you cant actually answer any of these questions so dont worry
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A history of Syria as a tinpot dictatorship would be nice too.

Assad is continually referred to as a butcher, with nothing to back it up except barrel bombs.
Even their wiki page only has having a secret police as the main crime before the revolution of 2011.

This article came out a couple of days ago looking at a previous butcher, new hitler genocidal maniac
http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media
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Assad had five siblings, three of whom are deceased. A sister named Bushra died in infancy. Assad's youngest brother, Majd al-Assad, was not a public figure and virtually nothing is known about him other than he was mentally or emotionally disabled, and according to SANA he died in 2009 after a "long illness". Unlike his brothers Bassel and Maher, and second sister, also named Bushra, Bashar was quiet and reserved and says that he lacked interest in politics or the military, and the Assad regime's personality cult focused on Bassel prior to his death. Bashar was said to have been bullied by his older brother Bassel. The Assad children reportedly rarely saw their father, and Bashar later stated that he only entered his father's office once while he was in power and he never spoke about politics with him.



i can hear the guy who wrote this re-reading it silently and just whispering "f*ggot"... to himself

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Obama? yeah he put together financing for some developments. George W was making deals while his dad was President. Meanwhile, Bashar was a little sad sick PUSSY... who later fought imperialism for like 10 years but
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Ronnski posted:

Why does it have to be "US designed"? How come people can't have an agency of their own instead of being emtpy vessels filled with CIA money and ideas? Lord knows the US isn't putting all its chips on the YPG to begin with.


if you want to talk about the agency of people thats fine and real but ignoring huge influential factors like "what is the US, the most influential power in the world, with a great deal of direct influence and numerous proxy forces (that is, forces which push in directions explicitly or implicitly sanctioned by the US) in the region, planning" you're really not representing the choices available to people realistically.

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Agency is a much smaller influential force than circumstance, especially for those not wielding power in a given situation. If the US isn't putting all their chips on YPG that's not a sign of integrity on YPG's part it's a sign of bet-hedging on the US part.
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Ronnski posted:

Gloating about them getting attacked by Turkey, which has a long history of ethnic cleansing, is a bad look.

Interesting because the comment that set this off was about YPG fans ie., well,

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swampman posted:

Ronnski posted:
Gloating about them getting attacked by Turkey, which has a long history of ethnic cleansing, is a bad look.
Interesting because the comment that set this off was about YPG fans ie., well,


yeah and xipe followed that up by saying turkey attacking the kurds is nice, so ron's reading between the lines of the original statement turned out to be true

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isn't the ypg supported much earlier and much extensively by the pkk? ie, it's genesis is over 30 years of struggle against a nato state?
wasn't much of the support for the ypg given very hesitantly, and mostly small arms and air strikes? seems similar to british support of the arabs during ww1, being stuff that keeps you weak and able to be destroyed once the other enemy is done.
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Ronnski fears banishment by pro-Assad forces if they keep posting here. I guess I should add to the forum rules that Assad actually fedexed me a barrel of glitter once. which I opened in my Man Cavern, away from surveillance thinking it was a bribe of gasoline, so yeah death to the Lion Assad (and if they were a lion they would be Scar btw)
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you wont be banned, we just poke in an effort to get to the bottom of what the misunderstanding/disagreement is
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animal form, human form, it doesn't matter, point is you dont FUCK with a LION
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meanwhile in trot land

https://socialistworker.org/2016/08/25/anti-imperialism-and-the-syrian-revolution

"THE SYRIAN Revolution has tested the left internationally by posing a blunt question: Which side are you on? Do you support the popular struggle against dictatorship and for democracy? Or are you with Bashar al-Assad's brutal regime, his imperial backer Russia, his regional ally Iran and Iran's proxies like Hezbollah from Lebanon?"

in 2016 they are describing the death squad rebels as a 'cultural revolution'.

even anarchists and liberals arent as thick as this.... they also lump the kurds in with daesh and 'the regime' since they are ~against the revolution~