#441
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i'm just saying it's incredibly lopsided in that almost no women are aroused by spanking a dude in a maid outfit while he cries while some larger proportion of women are aroused by fucking or even giving blow jobs probably.
#442
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welcome to page 12.
#443
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I think a lot of it is gender roles & society and stuff... like basically anyone can get into almost anything if they have a partner who gets them into it but women dont default into a lot of stuff because it isn't presented to them as an option by Society & they dont really watch porn how men do so they're never going to run into the weird crap & connect with it.
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#445
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Its a deeply stupid derail but we're having an actual convo so just let us be.
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yeah thats likely.. but i mean that guys reliably outnumber women in fetishism 20 to 1 in studies even when controlled for exposure to kinky sex, and under the same conditions it's extremely rare women say that particular one turns them on so it seems unlikely many women who indulge their boyfriends with it then become horny over it even if they do it at a young age although they probably become less weirded out by it. don't know what that's about really.
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roseweird posted:

this is why trump is president now isn't it



rhizzone endorsement gets the goods

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Well (actual) fetishism isnt the same as being kinky of course. Men are much much more likely to have fetishes and afaik they're usually set very early in development like way pre puberty.

But to look at something like daddy / little girl, since that's what set this off: basically none of the zillions of people into that are fetishists in a clinical sense, they just want to have a dominant/submissive relationship and the current way that looks is a discipline daddy and a woman acting like a Lolita. That wasn't the case ten years ago, and if you go back and look you can see waves and phases of what this stuff looks like... like leather stuff coming out of WW2 was very popular through the 70s and was very rigid and military because it was fetishizing military life to a great extent, and as Vietnam happens and we remove the draft and being gay becomes more acceptable (so you have less gay people joining the military to get out of their hometowns) it fades and fades and now is kind of this weird nonsense joke in movies where the kinky people are wearing motorcycle outfits. So the question becomes, what is it exactly in popular culture / society that has shifted the model to daddy / girl?
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idk about that.. just know that men don't get into femdom to get some like that other person said, and how most women aren't into it sexually, and that's why its incredibly profitable as an industry, that's where i came in. but thats an interesting question too.
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Ive been out of school for 9,000 years & will never go to grad school at this point but weirdo deviant subgroups were my main interest, other than Marxism.
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i mean in the same vein as that other question i'm curious why the cuckold thing is so big in femdom now, as i understand it that used to be mainly a UK thing then it took over everywhere recently.
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it may just be exposure to the obsession with it politically. like apparently sub sex guys employ MRA folk ethology language about betas all the time now in their kink porno.
#453
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Thats such an interesting chicken and egg question because I'm not sure if porn drives it or the porn comes after it's gained more popularity.
#454
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not every brokebrain degenerate gets into communism at an early age sometimes they try out sex stuff instead
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people have been talking about "alphas" in the community forever because basically a lot of the sexually dominant women don't want "beta" men ie they dont want to be lifestyle dominant & have a wuss BF, they still want classical masculine traits & just want to peg him in the bedroom or w/e.
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I think a lot of it has to do with expanding the limits of possibility. Like maybe some women want to sleep with someone other than their husband sometimes, and maybe some husbands, due to their visual porn addled brains, want to see their wives having sex from the third person basically? Or maybe they just want to "swing" but the thing is there's no or limited models for the first thing and the model for "swinging" is something your grandparents did. So you're stuck in this position where you have desires and interests but no vocabulary to express them, and then when the "cuck" model arrives maybe that isn't exactly in line with your desires but it's a way-of-doing-things with rules and examples and a community and now you have a way to talk about and think about something.
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kamelred posted:

not every brokebrain degenerate gets into communism at an early age sometimes they try out sex stuff instead



Get you a man who can do both.

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that makes sense. my limited knowledge comes from anecdotes from women who do it to make money, last conversation i had around it was a couple of them discussing how fairly suddenly over the last few years male customers want to be referred to as betas in bed and show or describe stuff where that happens to describe what they want. it was surprising to them because guys used to want different language that was more personally degrading rather than tied to social shaming and it's gotten more popular from their perspective while foot fetish has waned at the same time. they compared it to jewish girls who like nazi stuff.
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Yeah you start with a broad band "I'm turned on when women demean me" & what exactly that ends up looking like is probably almost entirely cultural/social. I have no personal insight into that example but broadly speaking I think we can agree the evopsy/evosoc stuff has gained traction in popular culture & something like that could be something of a bellweather that it's how people are looking at the world now.
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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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*slides into thread like kramer* did someone say porno
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it's just patriarchal and pedophiliac misogyny striaght up, perpetuated by the section of the culture industry dedicated to reproducing rape culture. weird psychosexual riitualized reproduction of oppressive gender relations as a coping mechanism
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oh and of course the purest liberalism possible whereby all is prima facie permissible. there's probably thousands of tumblr degenerates crankin it to Salo as we speak
#464
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Keven posted:

So the question becomes, what is it exactly in popular culture / society that has shifted the model to daddy / girl?

Yeah I think it has to do with the continued devolution and diaspora of the family unit and especially the large number of childless men who need to bleach some of the possibility out of the word "fatherhood"

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Keven posted:

what is it exactly in popular culture / society that has shifted the model to daddy / girl?



cars posted:

just know that men don't get into femdom to get some like that other person said, and how most women aren't into it sexually, and that's why its incredibly profitable as an industry, that's where i came in. but thats an interesting question too.



let's take MRA's at their word and assume that "the sexual revolution" has made "women overvalued" in the "sexual market place", so we see a growth in both fetishes. i mean, they're wrong in that people can never be fully commodified, and women haven't advanced as much as they believe they have, but for this ideology to be disseminated as widely as it is among decadent nerdvirginlosers, we're dealing with something that must reflect material changes. plus, sexuality is indeed way more commidifed than it's ever been...

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fuck what if there's a monopoly in the sexual market place. sexual imperialism.
#467
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corporations ate my balls
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marlax78 posted:

but for this ideology to be disseminated as widely as it is among decadent nerdvirginlosers, we're dealing with something that must reflect material changes.



I don't think it requires a significant shift in material conditions for the idea that women are societally overvalued to gain traction among misogynists

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blinkandwheeze posted:

marlax78 posted:

but for this ideology to be disseminated as widely as it is among decadent nerdvirginlosers, we're dealing with something that must reflect material changes.

I don't think it requires a significant shift in material conditions for the idea that women are societally overvalued to gain traction among misogynists



well, it's a question of why is misogyny articulated in a particular way, which is highly contingent. what remains consistent is the belief that women are inferior to men, what changes is that they're seen as relatively "less inferior", dangerous because they're supposed to be inferior (which is what these guys are reacting to, as someone above me says) - or whatever.

this article may have something to say if someone smarter than me wants to put this together

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#470
Mike Nelson here.
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marlax78 posted:

for this ideology to be disseminated as widely as it is among decadent nerdvirginlosers, we're dealing with something that must reflect material changes.

"Where there's smoke, there's fire" isn't doing logic good.

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I don't think resentment toward women for being desired in a way perceived to be an overvaluation of their worth is a new or novel articulation of misogyny in any sense. you could probably trace this as a cultural idea dating back hundreds of years if you wanted to.
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chickeon posted:

oh and of course the purest liberalism possible whereby all is prima facie permissible. there's probably thousands of tumblr degenerates crankin it to Salo as we speak



i dont know what salo is

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blinkandwheeze posted:


yes, and it's probably during periods of struggle/gain. im sure there's men in vietnam making this argument right now, but it's over the fact that women get the privilege of being proletarianized and working in factories. maybe i'm incorrect, but it makes no sense to me that this idea would approximate socially unless patriarchy was forced to defend itself.

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TRUMP!!!!!!
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marlax78 posted:

maybe i'm incorrect, but it makes no sense to me that this idea would approximate socially unless patriarchy was forced to defend itself.



systems of oppression are always "forced" to defend themselves because they take any form of agency from the oppressed as a threat. the rhetoric justifying these systems is always on the defensive because its victims are taken as a given to be a malignant presence at odds with the rightful preservation of society. this doesn't necessarily bear any real reflection of significant material shifts or events because perceived threats can be as trivial as the base physical makeup of women's bodies as they can to any significant societal shift

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Like do you think there has ever been a point in history that the consensus misogynist narrative has been "Congratulations everyone our society is currently treating women with exactly the amount of contempt they deserve, no more no less"
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Women have sweaty holes that I put my blood filled flesh log inside of until goo comes out of it.
#478
Mike Nelson here.
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Flappo posted:

Women have sweaty holes that I put my blood filled flesh log inside of until goo comes out of it.

Criminy! Flappo'd again!

#479
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48 new posts, I wonder if trumps declared war on somewh...ah, right

*closes thread*
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tears posted:

48 new posts, I wonder if trumps declared war on somewh...ah, right

*closes thread*

just 12 hours early: https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-17/trump-weighs-mobilizing-nat-guard-for-immigration-roundups