#11201

c_man posted:

stegosaurus posted:

I was gonna take linear algebra again but it's 1600 dollars. so I'll do a strang lecture and a problem set every week and keep my god damn money making 5 cents interest per month shrimp money bitch!!!

http://twitter.com/yarles_p/status/503322045598281728

the best way to learn linear algebra is to find a decent book and do literally every problem in it



that's a completely unnecessary exercise in masochism

#11202

c_man posted:

stegosaurus posted:

I was gonna take linear algebra again but it's 1600 dollars. so I'll do a strang lecture and a problem set every week and keep my god damn money making 5 cents interest per month shrimp money bitch!!!

http://twitter.com/yarles_p/status/503322045598281728

the best way to learn linear algebra is to find a decent book and do literally every problem in it

I figure MIT-style problem sets are good enough lol. and I have the strang book which is pretty good I guess? utah's math program is legit and they use it.

#11203
sounds good my man
#11204

conec posted:

i want 2 take vietnam history class this semester but schedule is full already plus i`m supposed to get a job/internship
- . -+ neway so i will read stanley karnow`s Vietnam A History.. i reaLIze high schoolers read it in AP classes nd such but ya i did not go to HS nd hav yet to be assigned it in college. it is important det i read this imo. my sister has this booke and she`s left it at our parents so i was like hey can i borrow this for a while, u can have it back.. nd she was like "u can read it while ur here but u cant take it with u."
so i was like "u didn`t even bring it to ur apartment.. come on, i`ll make u a plushie." nd she was like "what would i do with that? i have no use for a stupid plushie. why would i want one?"
nd i was like "bcos i made it w my own two hands "

+ marilyn b young The Vietnam Wars 1945-1990
my vietnaM education thus far has been chapters in a few diff books nd some documentaries

if ne1 wud like to recc a book i woukld appreciate det, i kno there r lots of goodies out there

im actually going to start reading a lot on vietnam too if ud like to do some sort of reading group or w/e

here's the two i have that have been highly recommnded (i havent read them yet):

Gabriel Kolko - Anatomy Of A War
Nick Turse - Kill Everything That Moves

heres some i picked up for cheap secondhand and cant vouch for the quality of;

Mary McCarthy - Vietnam
Mary McCarthy - Hanoi
Gerard Chaliand - The Peasants Of North Vietnam
John Lewallen - Ecology Of Devastation: Indochina

was also thinking of buying

Alfred McCoy - The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade (i think this has quite a bit about vietnam but obviously its broader than that) "By mid 1971 Army medical officers were estimating that about 10 to 15 percent of the lower-ranking enlisted men serving in Vietnam were heroin users." o_O

gimme a shout if ya want to do some sort of reading group thread because i can get that Karnow thing from my library and the Marilyn Young book is pretty cheap online....

#11205
Thug Lessons recommended me a few Vietnam war books a while ago

I haven't read either but I've heard Mary McCarthy's book is good. I'm not exactly an expert on Vietnam but another good book is Jeffery Race's War Comes to Long An which is a sort of case study on rural revolutionary strategy. Also I think Kolko focuses too much on structural explanations without considering the political/policy level, so something like American Tragedy by David Kaiser might be a good complement to that.

#11206
Lessons also recommended Bernard Fall;

Hell In A Very Small Place: The Siege Of Dien Bien Phu
Street Without Joy

fall has a lot of books on vietnam by the looks of things but these are by far the most popular
#11207
still reading capital. its lots of fun to read
#11208
been searching through your future posts -
"july 9, 2016. still reading capital. what a thrill ride.
"october 20, 2019. i'm actually still going through capital, and having a blast
"may 3, 2025. well, what can i say, I'm reading... capital. not quite through with this classic of economics.
"february 18, 2028. working my way through capital, still. pretty amazing stuff in this book.
"october 17, 2033. sitting back down with capital to start the next section. i sometimes find myself thinking, "how right marx was!""
it goes on like this for pages
#11209
i read slowly, like a small child
#11210
2nding Kill Everything That Moves
#11211
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#11212

conec posted:

makeshift_swahili, how does a reading group operate? I am interested in the books u`ve listed

well it'd probably be pretty loose and informal... i've seen a million online reading groups "lets do exactly 2 chapters per week" or w/e fail after about 3 weeks.... i think we should just pick a book and post our thoughts and quote selected passages & discuss as we go. then move to another book at roughly the same time.

wanna start with that karnow thing?

#11213
this may be of interest to a few here: http://www.freedom-for-ocalan.com/english/download/Ocalan-Democratic-Confederalism.pdf
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#11215
i humbly suggest burning all the above and sticking to

http://www.amazon.com/Victory-Vietnam-Official-History-1954-1975/dp/0700611754
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#11217
i've been reading his butler's story and collections by garcia lorca and fernando pessoa. his butler's story is hilarious but i prefer it's me, eddie
#11218
everything i know about vietnam i learned from a little book called the things they carried by george rr obrien
#11219
vietnam-related art you might find interesting (i'm sure some of you are familiar with his work)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/69148798@N00/sets/72157601318384385

The cover of a book of miniature silk-screens by Rene Mederos. Rene did 2 tours in Vietnam (during the war) as a Cuban Internationalist. The 2 series of Vietnam silkscreens that he produced in Cuba are now considered masterpieces. This image is the cover of a book of the second series done in 1972 in miniature . The original silkscreens were done in poster size and for this limited edition book they were all redone for the smaller size. Only a few of these still exist.




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#11220

daddyholes posted:

2nding Kill Everything That Moves


good idea. that's a strategy that I think we should employ.

#11221
the only thing that changed for me by reading capital is realizing no one who writes about marx's capital has actually read it except some marxists
#11222
the relationship between cuba and vietnam is fascinating

In 1973, Castro called upon all delegates to the Fourth Conference of Nonaligned Nations in Algiers to recognize the PRGSV and then became the first head of state to visit the liberated areas of South Vietnam.




#11223

TG posted:

everything i know about vietnam i learned from a little book called the things they carried by george rr obrien



i was like eh this book's ok until i got to the story where he goes back to vietnam years later and an old guy hatefully stare him down and he tells his daughter, after she asks if the old man is mad, that "all that's finished" lol. granted, even if it's one of those tell your kids something you don't believe things to not expose them to the horror of the world, most of the idiot american readership takes statements like that at face value

#11224

aerdil posted:

the only thing that changed for me by reading capital is realizing no one who writes about marx's capital has actually read it except some marxists



this is pretty killer knowledge to deploy in america right now imo. if you can demonstrate it to people who dont know it.

#11225

conec posted:

Wtf? Can u gimme?? Cost 2 high



i got it from the library today. i'll scan+ocr this weekend if there's interest. first forty pages were really sick

#11226

aerdil posted:

the only thing that changed for me by reading capital is realizing no one who writes about marx's capital has actually read it except some marxists


i went to city lights bookstore with some of the people i was visiting sf with and i wanted to get one of them (who prides himself on reading Hard Books) to read a hobsbawm history book and after seeing the word "bourgeois" on the first page of the introduction he put it back. he then went to look for books by malcom gladwell and steven pinker. later i called him on reading the economist and he said that marxism was disproven dogmatism. i asked him what, exactly, he was talking about and he cited a book he read by tony judt and another book by anne appelbaum and wikipedia. and then he said he felt insulted when i told him he was full of shit.

#11227
then he asked me if i had heard of the piketty book
#11228
well anne applebaum, robert conquest and r.j. rummel are the greatest historians ever, if wikipedia citations are any measure, so i can't argue with that
#11229
dang i was walking past the free book bin at my local bookstore today and impulsively picked up a book called "philosophical problems in physical science." just started flipping through it tonight and turns out was written in the 80s by a few philosophers in the GDR and is "a broad survey in English of philosophical problems in the physical sciences written from the viewpoint of Marxist-Leninist philosophy. It examines in detail questions such as the nature of physical concepts, physical properties and quantities, and causality and law. The power of Marxist-Leninist philosophy as an analyzing and synthesizing tool is clearly demonstrated, for example, in the discussion on causality, in which not only the difference between causality in Newtonian mechanics and quantum mechanics is discussed, but also the connection between them."
#11230

aerdil posted:

dang i was walking past the free book bin at my local bookstore today and impulsively picked up a book called "philosophical problems in physical science." just started flipping through it tonight and turns out was written in the 80s by a few philosophers in the GDR and is "a broad survey in English of philosophical problems in the physical sciences written from the viewpoint of Marxist-Leninist philosophy. It examines in detail questions such as the nature of physical concepts, physical properties and quantities, and causality and law. The power of Marxist-Leninist philosophy as an analyzing and synthesizing tool is clearly demonstrated, for example, in the discussion on causality, in which not only the difference between causality in Newtonian mechanics and quantum mechanics is discussed, but also the connection between them."



http://www.phys-astro.sonoma.edu/BruceMedalists/Shklovskii/ShklovskiiRefs.html

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/470363.Iosif_Samuilovich_Shklovsky

#11231

aerdil posted:

dang i was walking past the free book bin at my local bookstore today and impulsively picked up a book called "philosophical problems in physical science." just started flipping through it tonight and turns out was written in the 80s by a few philosophers in the GDR and is "a broad survey in English of philosophical problems in the physical sciences written from the viewpoint of Marxist-Leninist philosophy. It examines in detail questions such as the nature of physical concepts, physical properties and quantities, and causality and law. The power of Marxist-Leninist philosophy as an analyzing and synthesizing tool is clearly demonstrated, for example, in the discussion on causality, in which not only the difference between causality in Newtonian mechanics and quantum mechanics is discussed, but also the connection between them."


idk who you think you are that you can post this without a link

#11232

c_man posted:

i went to city lights bookstore with some of the people i was visiting sf with and i wanted to get one of them (who prides himself on reading Hard Books) to read a hobsbawm history book and after seeing the word "bourgeois" on the first page of the introduction he put it back. he then went to look for books by malcom gladwell and steven pinker. later i called him on reading the economist and he said that marxism was disproven dogmatism. i asked him what, exactly, he was talking about and he cited a book he read by tony judt and another book by anne appelbaum and wikipedia. and then he said he felt insulted when i told him he was full of shit.



gj keep it up imo.

#11233

c_man posted:

another book by anne appelbaum and wikipedia



catchphrase

#11234

c_man posted:

aerdil posted:

the only thing that changed for me by reading capital is realizing no one who writes about marx's capital has actually read it except some marxists

i went to city lights bookstore with some of the people i was visiting sf with and i wanted to get one of them (who prides himself on reading Hard Books) to read a hobsbawm history book and after seeing the word "bourgeois" on the first page of the introduction he put it back. he then went to look for books by malcom gladwell and steven pinker. later i called him on reading the economist and he said that marxism was disproven dogmatism. i asked him what, exactly, he was talking about and he cited a book he read by tony judt and another book by anne appelbaum and wikipedia. and then he said he felt insulted when i told him he was full of shit.


moretti: "The bourgeois . . . Not so long ago, this notion seemed indispensable to social analysis; these days, one might go years without hearing it mentioned. Capitalism is more powerful than ever, but its human embodiment seems to have vanished. ‘I am a member of the bourgeois class, feel myself to be such, and have been brought up on its opinions and ideals’, wrote Max Weber, in 1895.1 Who could repeat these words today?"

#11235
peep dis yo http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Lies-Evidence-Accusation-Bloodlands/dp/0692200991/
#11236
http://aaaaarg.org/upload/klaus-theweleit-male-fantasies-volume-1-women-floods-bodies-history-1.pdf
#11237



The ensuing interview, which began two hours later than scheduled, meandered on for at least another three hours, fuelled by alcohol and, as the afternoon drew on, amphetamines. (Throughout, the newly clean Cave, much to Smith and MacGowan's surprise, stuck steadfastly to mineral water.) Edited, but still fractured, a transcript was published in NME in late February 1989, under the heading The Unholy Trinity.


MES: Can we drop the cop talk? It's the same with everything else, like lurries...


SM: Lurries? What are lurries?


MES: Lurries. Containers that deliver your fucking food to your fucking house, alright?


SM: Lorries! Yeah right.


MES: The drivers are paid the lowest wages because everyone wants to sit in the office and be a ponce. You can't just go into a hotel and write your name, you've got to fuck around on a bloody computer. Nobody wants to bloody work anymore.


SM: Oh God! You make me wanna puke sometimes, you do. Of course nobody wants to work. Who the fuck in their right mind wants to work?


MES: Alright, alright, that's obvious, the sky's fucking blue. Soccer's the same. None of the fuckers want to hit the ball in the back of the net. They're all too fucking muscly. And thick. Running up and down the field like bloody morons. The England team are all bloody minor executives who can't kick the ball in the back of the net, can't do the bloody job they're hired to do. I do loads of gigs, that's my job to play a load of gigs, I'm not an executive, I don't mind playing in front of a load of sweaty people.

Mark, of the three of you, would you admit to being the professional cynic?


MES: No. Cynicism and defensiveness are two things constantly levelled at me. Look, I've got time for people, I'm good mannered. I usually find that when you're down, nobody has a bloody minute for you. If I was a nobody, you wouldn't even talk to me.


SM: You are nobody.


MES: Fuck off. It's bloody true. Neither would you, Nick.


NC: Bullshit! That's bullshit. I take offence at that.


MES: I'm not levelling anything at you. People, in general, don't like you being upfront and civil. They hate you for it. They label you a cynic 'cos you're reasonable.


SM: You're not reasonable, though. You're a rude bastard. That's fair enough.


MES: OK, I'm cynical. But I'm not defensive. I'm slightly paranoid which is healthy.

Slightly?


MES: Listen, Sean, do you walk around London embracing everybody? If I was in the bleedin' gutter, you wouldn't piss on me.


NC: Your reaction is becoming very defensive, Mark.


MES: You're a failed psychiatrist.


NC: I've analysed you, alright – defensive paranoid with delusions of grandeur.


MES: I have discussions like this all the time in pubs. I end up beaten half to death on the floor. I try to be civil and people assume I'm attacking them.


SM: You attack people all the time. In the press.

MES: I used to. It became too routine so I gave it up. Nietzsche said Embrace your enemies'. You two aren't my enemies, so I won't embrace you.

SM: Read a lot of Nietzsche, have you?


MES: All his stuff. I cant quote him. I'm not into him anymore, gave up three years ago. He taught me a lot, though. I didn't go to college. We're not all born public school boys like you.


SM: I'm not a born public schoolboy.


MES: Do you like Brendan Behan, he's good.


SM: Yeah, he's not a fascist maniac posing as a philosopher.


MES: If we're gonna talk philosophy, that's a load of crap! The Nazis adopted his creed and distorted it, they misquoted him all the time.


SM: The Will To Power Try reinterpreting that statement. You can't, it says what it says.


MES: He wasn't a Nazi – you're only saying that 'cos some polytechnic fuckin' lecturer told you he was.


SM: I'm saying it 'cos I read two of his books where he dismissed the weak, the ugly, the radically impure, Christianity, Socrates, Plato. He was anti anyone who hadn't got a strong body, perfect features...


MES: That's the coffee table analysis. He was the most anti-German, pro-Semitic person...


SM: His books were full of hate.


MES: You just said you're full of hate when you go on stage.


SM: I don't go round saying Socrates was a cunt, Jesus Christ was an idiot, do l?


MES: Jesus Christ was the biggest blight on the human race, he was. And all them socialists and communists – second rate Christianity. It's alright for you Catholics. I was brought up with Irish Catholics. Some of my best friends are Irish Catholics.


SM: Listen to him.


MES: Hitler was a Catholic vegetarian, non-smoker, non-drinker. The way you're talking about Nietzsche is that anyone who's a non-smoker, non-drinker is a Nazi. That's the level of your debate, pal. You don't know fuck all about Nietzsche, pal!

SM: You're anti-socialist, too. Ain't you?


MES: Yeah. I'm an extreme anti-socialist. You don't live on a housing estate in a city where there's been socialism for 30 years and they keep saying it's gonna get better all the time and it never does. Thirty fucking years of it getting worse and worse. You obviously haven't experienced that, living in London.


SM: What's the alternative?


MES: I don't have to worry about that. I'm an adult. I'm working class, me. I come from a generation that fuckin' created this nation pal. You lot, you just sit around and talk about socialism, you're the bloody problem. Eighty per cent of this country are white trash, working class. How come they don't vote Labour? 'Cos the Labour Party area fuckin' disgrace, that's why. I'm against socialism on principle. Engels – he was a factory owner in Manchester exploiting 13 year-old girls. Learn your history, pal, learn your history. I suppose you blame all Ireland's problems on the British. All the problems of the world are down to Britain. That's what you think, why don't you say it? You can't bloody tell me anything about oppression cos, I'll tell you something pal, if you'd been part of Germany, you'd have been liquidated. If you were part of Russia, you wouldn't even exist.


Don't tell me about oppression, my parents and grandparents were exploited to the hilt. Sent to wars, they had gangrene in their teeth. My grandfather was at Dunkirk and all you can see is Margaret Thatcher on my face when, actually, she's on Nick's face. Isn't she Nick? Come on, Nick, help me out. Basically, I like to discuss things right down the line and I don't agree with anybody...

This is getting out of order, can we talk about something less acrimonious. Heroes?


SM: You're into Presley, Nick.


NC: I think his best period was the Vegas years.


MES: A lot of Presley's good stuff was overlooked. Like, the NME viewpoint that he died when he came out of the army. I think the opposite, his best stuff came after the army.


SM: That figures. He was a pile of shit when he came out of the army compared to before he went in. His mother died when he was in the army, that was one of the causes.
"Anyway, he did some good stuff in the late '60s after the army – 'Kentucky Rain', 'Suspicious Minds', 'In The Ghetto' as opposed to 'Heartbreak Hotel', 'Blue Moon Of Kentucky', 'That's Alright Mama'. I suppose that's all shit to you, is it?


MES: I'm not sayin' that but everybody writes the later stuff off...


SM: Who ever writes off Elvis?


MES: Look pal, Elvis was the king, right? To me, Elvis were king. He was only the king 'cos he sustained it. You probably think he's some kind of criminal 'cos he went in the army for a few years. You're insinuating that I'm pro-army and if you have anything to say on that score, say it now, pal and I'll fuckin' argue right through you!


SM: What!? He's off again.


MES: I'm into Merseybeat at the minute – The Searchers. I respect Dylan. The only good thing I've heard of his is that LP he did with George Harrison and Roy Orbison.


What do you think of the blanket critical approval of Morrissey?


MES: Morrissey's another Paddy! A South Manchester Paddy, Shane's got more to say than Morrissey.


NC: I think you guys are encouraging Mark to be like this. You journalists love it.


MES: Of course they do. That's the NME policy, they love a good argument. Don't you, lads?

#11238
mes is my favorite labor aristocrat hands down
#11239

U.S. Army Techniques Publication 3-39.33: Civil Disturbances (April 2014)By Thomas Gaist
30 August 2014

Links tweeted by WikiLeaks this week called attention to the development of crowd control doctrines by the US military, the most recent of which are codified in a US Army Techniques document dated April 2014, titled “Civil Disturbances.” Main concepts elaborated in the document include crowd dynamics, behavior theories, crowd types, and a “Graduated Response Matrix.”

The document points to various dissident political groups as main targets of the Army’s crowd control planning. “Examples of well-organized groups are anarchists, antiglobalization groups, and anti free enterprise groups,” the US Army document states.

The paper further cites demonstrations coordinated by labor groups, specifically citing the 2011 protests at the Wisconsin capitol. “Labor unions played a large role in the 2011 Wisconsin protests that included passing on information and transporting participants,” the document states.

Special attention is given to “organized protests,” which are said to have more growth potential than spontaneous protests as result of their “centralized planning” and use of “modern technologies that allow for rapid information dissemination.”
Techniques outlined in the document include the use non-lethal weapons, “pain compliance” measures, lethal overwatch teams (snipers), and deployment of aircraft overhead (said to have a “psychological effect”).

The use of military working dog (MWD) teams is highlighted as an especially effective “intimidation measure.” “The presence of the MWD may produce a profound psychological effect on the crowd,” the document states.

The document calls for deployment of “overwatch” sniper teams to intimidate crowds and pick off suspected leaders and organizers. Such use of snipers to terrorize demonstrators, recently on display in Ferguson, Missouri, where protests against the killing of Michael Brown were subject to a massive crackdown by militarized police forces, is part of the Army’s integrated Graduated Response Matrix (GRM). The GRM provides for numerous levels of escalating psychological and physical pressure against a targeted crowd, including:

* Exploit the psychological effect of shows of force.

* Escalate the Military Information Support Operations (MISO) message via loudspeakers and handbills—MISO is a more recently adopted military term for psychological operations (PSYOPS).

* Demonstrate sniper precision strike capability.

* Use riot control ammunition: tear gas, pepper spray, smoke bombs, stun grenades, rubber munitions, acoustic weapons, electro-muscular disruption weapons.

* Move through the crowd using riot control formations and movement techniques.

* Target leaders and “troublemakers” with sniper fire.

* Escalate from single shot small caliber fire to automatic large caliber.

* Close air support and indirect fire (artillery, mortars).

While stating that “coercion dispersal” of crowds may become necessary, the document notes that “negotiated management of crowds … is the preferred method especially if the demonstration or protest leaders are available and willing to participate,” and advises commanders to adhere to the “goldilocks principle,” saying crowd control activities should be “neither too hard nor too soft.”

The document also calls for the use of “high powered cameras mounted on towers and aerial vehicles” to create video recordings of both the crowd and the soldiers engaged in crowd control operations.

Ominously, the document outlines conditions under which the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which prohibits the use of the US military for police actions on American soil, will not apply. Under a range of loosely defined “exceptional” conditions, the military can conduct unrestrained operations within the United States, the document notes.

In “emergency extraordinary circumstances,” including vaguely defined contingencies such as “unlawful obstruction or rebellion against the authority of the United States,” US military commanders are empowered to carry out, without requiring any form of civilian authorization, “activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances,” the document states.
Such sophisticated crowd control doctrines are an expression of the far advanced preparations by the US ruling elite, dating back decades, to establish martial law and transition to a police state dictatorship.

Congressional hearings in May of 1987 on the Iran-Contra scandal exposed plans, codenamed Operation Rex ’84, to suspend the US Constitution, transfer power to a shadow dictatorship consisting of agents of the military and intelligence apparatus, and conduct mass roundups of hundreds of thousands of political opponents of the American state.

In the immediate aftermath of the September 11 attacks, the George W. Bush administration implemented “continuity of government” (COG) procedures virtually identical to those laid out by Operation Rex, establishing a secret network of anonymous officials working from “undisclosed secure locations.” Without any consultation with or involvement of the legislative and judicial branches, between 75 and 150 members of the executive branch were ensconced in military bunkers and legal documents were drawn up to empower these officials with authoritarian powers.



http://leaksource.info/2014/08/20/us-army-techniques-publication-3-39-33-civil-disturbances-april-2014/

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