#12441

swirlsofhistory posted:

HenryKrinkle posted:

http://femme-werewolf.tumblr.com/post/103222082951/the-thing-about-violent-revolution-being-ableist

That's actually a fair criticism. Usually when things go to shit, it's healthy young men who end up on top because they are the strongest. Prolonged revolution or civil war between classes would be a holocaust for the disabled, unless they became willing participants by strapping bombs to themselves.


Willing, unwilling.. the important thing is they will be useful.

#12442

swirlsofhistory posted:

c_man posted:

i finished a book asking why there was a philosophy of mathematics at all, which basically consisted of interesting historical and social analyses interrupted by awful tedious garbage about current analytic philosophy of mathematics which the author was smart enough not to express too much interest in. should i read some history or some fiction next? is fernand braudel any good? is he fash?

What book?


its called "Why is there a philosophy of mathematics at all?" by ian hacking, a foucaultian who for some reason identifies as a cambridge analytic philosopher

#12443
intellectually hes a weirdo but when he hits a certain stride he can be pretty enjoyable to read imo
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#12445
I started reading Brothers Karamazov. This is the first Dostoevsky book I've read and so far I'm really enjoying it. I'm pretty interested in seeing how his overall theological stance turns out to be in the end since the book seems to present boths sides of the "is there a god" argument pretty well
#12446

cata posted:

I started reading Brothers Karamazov. This is the first Dostoevsky book I've read and so far I'm really enjoying it. I'm pretty interested in seeing how his overall theological stance turns out to be in the end since the book seems to present boths sides of the "is there a god" argument pretty well


Probably his best book as he never finished it RIP.

#12447
Oh wow, totally didn't know he didn't finish it
#12448
he did finish it. the book definitely has an ending.
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#12450

orchestra_hit posted:

he did finish it. the book definitely has an ending.

Eddie Karamazov smirked at Jake. "Brothers to the end, Jake?" "Brothers to the end, Eddie." They had four shots left between them. There were easily two hundred soldiers outside of the shack.

#12451
I was gonna say, I would have thought they would mention that in the Introduction but I didn't see anything like that.
#12452

cata posted:

Oh wow, totally didn't know he didn't finish it


The culprit wastes himself and the innocent suspect looks for a way out of his situation. There's a short story Dostoevsky wrote about a dude using cash as an excuse to explain away a legitimate emotional encounter with a female. Like wtf.

#12453
All three of the brothers do a spin move and combine into a single brother with the brute strength of probably like ivavonivitch illyich, the cunning and depression of hambone waldo, and the loveable nature and piety of peitor petorovitch. Combined they're able to solve the mystery of the murder of their father: it was the inevitable forward march of time and the inescapable sense of guilt which crushed him, as it crushes us all. In this case Time/Guilt made it look like a break in for reasons that remain unknown at the books ending, where the three brothers spin back apart and all agree to never speak about it again.
#12454

tpaine posted:

all books have an ending, butt turd


counterpoint, reality

#12455
my fav is demons bc its about how anarchists are retard
#12456
my fav is the idiot because its about you
#12457
i do cut a very christlike figure
#12458
i just saw this article and the first thing i thought is what the backlash would be if someone wrote something similar about you know who:

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/what-we-all-get-wrongaboutthearmeniangenocide.html

lol
#12459
i guess it makes sense, but damn, aljazeera is a major news service, not stormfront
#12460

cata posted:

I was gonna say, I would have thought they would mention that in the Introduction but I didn't see anything like that.


It's finished, but there were supposedly plans for sequels, with the whole story entitled "The Life of a Great Sinner," presumably referring to Alyosha.

And wasted, I don't know why you would post spoilers for a book that someone has just begun reading.

#12461

Agnus_Dei posted:

cata posted:

I was gonna say, I would have thought they would mention that in the Introduction but I didn't see anything like that.

It's finished, but there were supposedly plans for sequels, with the whole story entitled "The Life of a Great Sinner," presumably referring to Alyosha.

And wasted, I don't know why you would post spoilers for a book that someone has just begun reading.

Thanks, Ive been worried someone would do this for the Bible... Cant wait to see where this adam doofus ends up in 600 pages.

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#12463
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/vietnam-censorship-facebook-viet-tan-crackdown-outspoken/?tw=dd lookit this piece of shit haha
#12464

wasted posted:

cata posted:

Oh wow, totally didn't know he didn't finish it

The culprit wastes himself and the innocent suspect looks for a way out of his situation. There's a short story Dostoevsky wrote about a dude using cash as an excuse to explain away a legitimate emotional encounter with a female. Like wtf.



Are you talking about Notes From The Underground? I remember liking that one

#12465

walkinginonit posted:

wasted posted:

cata posted:

Oh wow, totally didn't know he didn't finish it

The culprit wastes himself and the innocent suspect looks for a way out of his situation. There's a short story Dostoevsky wrote about a dude using cash as an excuse to explain away a legitimate emotional encounter with a female. Like wtf.

Are you talking about Notes From The Underground? I remember liking that one


He wrote several short stories that had the same theme i.e. "I'm a miserable piece of shit and therefore I'm always justified."

#12466

chickeon posted:

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/vietnam-censorship-facebook-viet-tan-crackdown-outspoken/?tw=ddlookit this piece of shit haha


Viet Tan, a pro-democracy political party led by Vietnamese citizens in and outside of the country,

#12467
Read recently Jacques le Goff's biography of Saint Louis/Louis IX of France. Was drawn to it partially because it has been presented by some as an unusual application of the Annales school of historiography to the task of narrating an individual biography. This led me to expect a Braudel-level engagement with the details of economic and everyday life during the reign of its subject-an expectation that was disappointed. The best portion of the book in fact was perhaps the least Annalest one- namely the chapter in which Le Goff got into some good old fashioned close textual readings to discuss Joinville's famous contemporary biography of the king.

Still,while it was somewhat scanty on the economic side, it was very through regarding political forms. it suggested some interesting threads for thinking about the long term development of the French state, in terms of how it conceived of its relationship with its subjects, with its constitutive regions, with the Catholic Church, with what-would-become 'Europe', and with the world at large.

On level of foreign relations, King Louis's reign was a moment in a period of transition from a conception of Christiandom that extended into Asia and Africa towards one in which it became more narrowly identified with the 'West.' On the one hand, ironically enough, this was in part a positive development, marking as it did a growing disenchantment among ordinary people and with certain segments of the cultural class/clergy with the practice and the ideology of holy war. Even those who admired Louis's decision to go on a crusade considered it to be an irresponsible adventure in the light of 13th century understandings of the duties of kingship (even Joanville seems to have held this opinion). On the other hand, this same disenchantment reflected a steadily rising perception among Western European that the Christian of the East, in particular those of the Near Eastern Crusading Kingdoms-were 'Orientalized', decadent, and of suspect loyalties, not really part of the same community as themselves-and thus could be abandoned with impunity (or even pillaged by the Western Christians themselves).

On the domestic side, Louis' reign continued the ongoing trajectory of the French monarchy (in many ways the opposite of England's) towards centralization with the aim of limiting the power of the aristocracy. This was done through the concentration of judicial authority in royal representatives, through using royal edicts with a 'national' scope to present itself as a power that could be appealed to over the quilt work of feudal relationships, and through empowering the urban communes at the expense of the lords.The other, darker side of this project was the rise of a more 'disciplined' conception of the ideal Christian polity, which involved continuing the war against internal heresy (which however did somewhat calm down under Louis IX) and tightening restrictions on the liberty of the Jews, the later policy being most dramatically represented by the mass burning of copies of the Talmud in 1243.

Regarding specifically ecclesiastical concerns, it is of interest to point out that King Louis cultivated an image of sanctity in part to legitimize his insistence on excluding the church from having a say in the temporal affairs of his kingdom. In this respect, he could be said to be closer than one might think to his contemporary HRE Frederick II (whom he refused to backstab, even when invited to by the pope), pursuing the same goal as his imperial counterpart of reasserting sovereignty through trying to earnestly follow the generally accepted ideal of Christian kingship instead of by attempting to revive antique Roman examples/import Byzantine models. This set a precedent for later relationships between Rome and the French State prior to 1789 (and to some extant after that as well): The latter justified its independent existence by seeking to 'outdo' the Catholicism of the former instead of engaging in outright schism. The pursuit of the virtuous and equitable regime replaced the drive towards Reformation, thus provoking a generalized interiorization and complexification of dissent instead of the coalescing of a visible alternative church.

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#12468
So I wanted to either read a biography on Mao or a history of The Black Panthers. Any suggestions?
#12469
ive been reading The Structures of Everyday Life by Braudel and reading about rich people fleeing towns during plagues and places where they would bake bread 3 or 4 times per year and then cut it with an axe is awesome
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#12471
trying to read new stuff about india's communists, most recently this http://www.epw.in/editorials/change-guard.html
#12472

walkinginonit posted:

So I wanted to either read a biography on Mao or a history of The Black Panthers. Any suggestions?



for the bpp, you could try newton's autobiography, revolutionary suicide, it has some history of the party, especially the founding, but is really more of a personal history, and it ends around '72

there's also his doctoral dissertation on police repression you can find here: http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/Huey-WATP.pdf but while it also contains some history, it's not really a 'history of the party'

there was some more straight up history that came out recently, black against empire, but i haven't read it so idk, here's a 'socialist' review i just found :
"However it is a history rather than a critique. So it is weakest in suggesting how things could have been different. It is tragic that the US left looked to Maoist guerrilla strategies to organise, rather than the rich tradition of working class struggle."

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#12473
black against empire is cool
#12474
im reading "prisoners of liberation" a book about by those rickett people who were arrested in revolutionary china as spies and successfully thought-reformed . the part im at now is mostly about how alyn ricketts cell mate Meng wants to punch allyn in the face for not confessing his crimes to the People's Government's investigating judge; when Big Lu reminds him that he'd have to write a self-criticism for punching him (again--this would be the second time he's punched allyn) Meng just kinda shrugs and says it's fine "I'll punch him now and write the self-criticism later"

after that allyn wants to sleep on the floor instead of with the other prisoners in the same bed and one guy goes "fine go ahead you stink"

then this other guy named Deng or whatever, he's correctly pegged by the others as a formerly western-oriented intellectual solely by virtue of his nerdy glasses, he says "Just as all foreigners do"

to which one of the other prisoners says

"yeah well you would know...you hang around them enough"

then later one of them brings allyn rickett hot water and he goes Agh this is too hot...im going to let it cool first

and the guys are like What the fuck...

one goes Yeah white people like things cold it's weird. They even put ice in their tea,

and Big Lu goes What The Fuck again.
#12475
That book is cool.
#12476
i read Within The Context of No Context, which is sort of a dragged out way of describing how history was replaced with television. it's not a history itself but more of a personal essay that finds examples. he likes family feud and people magazine for this. in Family Feud the object is to pick out what everybody else is saying apropos nothing ("survey says? you say. survey says? you say"). there's a story about working at the World's Fair at age 20, where his feeling is one that i get whenever i go to the fair:

People didn't like the Fair. People tried to like it, though. They agreed to like it. The Fair was hard to like, but they agreed to like it. Not to like it was the same thing as to break the agreement that was all that stood between them and being alone. The message of many things in America is "Like this or die." It is a strain. Suddenly, the modes of death begin to be attractive.


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#12477
lol I saw that on fb and thought it was referring to the idea of fairness or something
#12478
sometimes serious bourgeois that are mournful of t.t.t.t.the The Culture are writing smart, articulate books elaborating on how it is exactly that everything has gone to shit. they have the free time
#12479
according to this intro world history book i started going thru (not the cool one i posted about before), neanderthals could not have had language because they would not have been able to pronounce certain sounds necessary for english
#12480

c_man posted:

according to this intro world history book i started going thru (not the cool one i posted about before), neanderthals could not have had language because they would not have been able to pronounce certain sounds necessary for english