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no platform
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Find a lookalike in your group, flip the arrows pointing to the lecture hall and stage a significantly more 'woke' speech next door
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idea: a childrens book entitled "Good Night, White Pride," published under the Rhizzone Books brand
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I think a lot of the time these events end up happening because the people who could step in and stop them from happening are in a bit of denial over their own power, because they, like most people, above all want to avoid a big headache. So one thing you can do is a coordinated campaign in the runup to each event that calls out the specific UCLA/whatever staff member who is allowing this to happen, making sure they know that a lot of people will consider them an accessory to fascism and that this will probably be associated with their name in google search, if they allow this event to happen. I think this is a good reason for a prolonged student occupation especially at a busy time of the academic year.
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Most of us here already make people uncomfortable by showing up at their events without being invited and talking about communism and picking fights, we might as well do it for a good cause.
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Obvious bruteforce tactics; blocking entry, violence, vandalism, teargas, etc will have desired effect but conversely may also aid in the victimization facade fascist frequently use. Especially if done publicly! This easily plays into media narrative "freedom of speech boohoo", "antifa are the real nazis" such as in the case you posted last time with that CNN correspondent. Although maybe you can elaborate on this, as it seems to be mostly a US phenomenon, so I'm not sure if it's something that needs to be taken in to account strategically.

Anyway, if this is the case would other more subtle or hybrid tactics work?

The event is at a highly bureaucratic institution... what are the laws, regulations, obscure technicalities they have to follow which you could use to your strategic advantage to shut down the event before it happens?

What about the university funders? Would they be likely to withdraw support if approached about this? It doesn't matter if you agree with the funders, try to pit them against the university on this regard. Example, is the university funded by Jewish organizations that would make a bit fuss about anti-semitism? In any case you could also just fake letters threatening a withdraw of support from the funders and address them to the dean and various department heads.

Sabotage can be subtle too and camouflaged as ordinary human incompetence. What's that? All the chairs were sent to the wrong room? The room is triple booked with other events taking place there? There are official looking signs saying the event is in a different wing of the campus? The free fascist cupcake giveaway was laced with laxatives? Maybe you get an ally as the soundperson at the event that will do a humorously terrible job or cleverly fuck with the speaker?

Non-public bruteforce is maybe better than public. Where is the speaker staying while at the event? Who is picking them up? Could you reach them beforehand and ensure they don't arrive to the talk?

If all else fails gather a big crowd inside and outside; pull the firealarm during the speech and watch the sparks fly.
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swampman posted:

I think a lot of the time these events end up happening because the people who could step in and stop them from happening are in a bit of denial over their own power, because they, like most people, above all want to avoid a big headache. So one thing you can do is a coordinated campaign in the runup to each event that calls out the specific UCLA/whatever staff member who is allowing this to happen, making sure they know that a lot of people will consider them an accessory to fascism and that this will probably be associated with their name in google search, if they allow this event to happen. I think this is a good reason for a prolonged student occupation especially at a busy time of the academic year.


Events like this can also be really good opportunities for bringing together the broader community in the city alongside the students and breaking down the barriers between them with common struggle. Figure out which student groups won't fuck you over (or if you're starting from the campus, reach out to good parties/other allies outside the university) and get everyone out there.

Having deep campus connections (like a sympathetic careerist on the executive you can schmooze with or a senior department prof) can also be really useful to get advance warning if the uni administration decides to do action-busting tactics like locking down the campus with rentacops and not letting anyone in without their student card or whatever (I've seen this happen and all the businesses on campus flipped out because the campus police wouldn't let their employees in to work at the food court, no janitorial services etc, admin really embarrassed themselves)

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Maybe put them on the special enemies list website we keep.
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MAKE HIM...UNWELCOME...WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE
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The best response is a strongly heterosexual, pro-family, anti-chemsex counter-- you're a fascist weirdo and cocaine addict, we're not. Embarrass him or you are just giving them material to upload for breitbart shares and gloating.
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Also use those deep campus connections. I had the deepest campus connections myself. Many powrful people
would bend to my will.

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was checking milos wikipedia entry and he's basicaly been protested at a dozen universities he's spoken at so far. lol at this one though:

On February 17, a student-run conservative magazine at the University of Minnesota hosted Yiannopolous and Christina Hoff Sommers in February, and the event was also met by protesters. Roughly 40 protestors outside repeatedly chanted "Yiannopoulos, out of Minneapolis," while about five protestors made it inside the event, shouting and sounding noisemakers, before being escorted out by security. In response to these protests, members of the university faculty began pushing for more robust free speech protections at Minnesota.



oh depaul too

In the aftermath of the incident, university president Dennis H. Holtschneider issued a statement reaffirming the value of free speech and apologizing for the harm caused by Yiannopolous's appearance on the campus, and also criticized the student protesters for disrupting the event. Attendees of the talk, organized by DePaul's College Republican's Chapter, criticized university police and event security for not removing the protesters

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swampman posted:

I think a lot of the time these events end up happening because the people who could step in and stop them from happening are in a bit of denial over their own power, because they, like most people, above all want to avoid a big headache. So one thing you can do is a coordinated campaign in the runup to each event that calls out the specific UCLA/whatever staff member who is allowing this to happen, making sure they know that a lot of people will consider them an accessory to fascism and that this will probably be associated with their name in google search, if they allow this event to happen. I think this is a good reason for a prolonged student occupation especially at a busy time of the academic year.



the school in my area is notoriously dead as far as campus activism goes BUT this is definitely something we're working on

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waiting for BHPN's opinion before i make up my mind.
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antiantifa checklist:
☐ free speech
☐ first they came for the...
☐ protesting them only makes them stronger
☐ marketplace of ideas
☐ does protesting even work???
☐ ignoring them is more powerful than protesting
☐ you know who else silenced his enemies
☐ political correctness
☐ cant go because i have hamilton tickets

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tell him daddyholes says he fuckin sucks!!
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ilmdge posted:

was checking milos wikipedia entry and he's basicaly been protested at a dozen universities he's spoken at so far. lol at this one though:

On February 17, a student-run conservative magazine at the University of Minnesota hosted Yiannopolous and Christina Hoff Sommers in February, and the event was also met by protesters. Roughly 40 protestors outside repeatedly chanted "Yiannopoulos, out of Minneapolis," while about five protestors made it inside the event, shouting and sounding noisemakers, before being escorted out by security. In response to these protests, members of the university faculty began pushing for more robust free speech protections at Minnesota.



oh depaul too

In the aftermath of the incident, university president Dennis H. Holtschneider issued a statement reaffirming the value of free speech and apologizing for the harm caused by Yiannopolous's appearance on the campus, and also criticized the student protesters for disrupting the event. Attendees of the talk, organized by DePaul's College Republican's Chapter, criticized university police and event security for not removing the protesters



love liberal free speech which is free speech for everyone except for those who wish to express displeasure about hate speech

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good to see homofascism finally become real, great job everyone.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/14/us/milo-yiannopoulos-uc-davis-speech-canceled/

A speech by right-wing commentator Milo Yiannopoulos' at UC Davis was over before it even started Friday after protests erupted, forcing sponsors to cancel the event.



martin shkreli was also scheduled to talk (lol). People actually go to see these guys...

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smdh what the HECK! happened to FREE SPEECH!
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Belphegor posted:

smdh what the HECK! happened to FREE SPEECH!



There's a guy who used to post here who calls himself commie ned flanders and I just saw him unironically post that in response to the shutdown.



lol
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Commie Ned Fl"☭"nders
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Oh yeah he's the Boo_urns_Identity or something here
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that guy posts a ton in gbs these days
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there is a certain sort of leftist nowadays who goes halfway to fully understanding the backlash against class-oblivious identity politics and ends up setting up shop in the junkyard camp of the far right and thinking in their magical terms and isolating themselves from their political peers. based on his threads here that guy seems to be one of them. i think we should be thorough in our critique of those people's positions but merciful to them as individuals because what's usually behind that is isolation and a sense of utter hopelessness that leads to casting about for anything that might provide a feeling of camaraderie or forward momentum. ultimately what they're doing is suicide for them of course.
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cars posted:

i think we should be thorough in our critique of those people's positions but merciful to them as individuals because what's usually behind that is isolation and a sense of utter hopelessness that leads to casting about for anything that might provide a feeling of camaraderie or forward momentum.



when you see a gap in the irony and there is mercy and empathy

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my problem is if you're in a position where you can throw a poop at martin shrikeli certainly the same vector allows for a clean attack with a gun. does anyone dispute that he deserves to die? so what's your excuse, then?
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lenin's excuse would be that "as revolutionary tactics individual attacks are inexpedient and harmful.... only in direct, immediate connection with the mass movement can and must individual terrorist acts be of value." i don't know if he weighs in on poopys though, excellent question.
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i think lenin's response might be that the world doesn't work that way. my personal response would be to post "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY, GOOD NIGHT" (2000s meme).
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cars posted:

there is a certain sort of leftist nowadays who goes halfway to fully understanding the backlash against class-oblivious identity politics and ends up setting up shop in the junkyard camp of the far right and thinking in their magical terms and isolating themselves from their political peers. based on his threads here that guy seems to be one of them. i think we should be thorough in our critique of those people's positions but merciful to them as individuals because what's usually behind that is isolation and a sense of utter hopelessness that leads to casting about for anything that might provide a feeling of camaraderie or forward momentum. ultimately what they're doing is suicide for them of course.


in his case i think its more of an affectation, given his posting history on byob etc

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edit sorry meant this for other thread