#41

ilmdge posted:



the fact people care so much about the word nationalism, without understanding how much worse neoliberalism is, breaks my brain like if you put a hard-boiled egg into a pitching machine and fired it at a concrete wall. at least you can divorce nationalism from capitalism relatively easily, whereas neoliberalism is global capitalism plus whatever munitions bring it along the quickest, but since it is relatively aesthetically pleasing, the net effect (i.e. total number of brown people killed) is acceptable

i'd love to call people neonazis all fucking day but if you call what my african friend calls a "well-meaning white person" a neoliberal they become the lowest common denominator almost immediately . because they associate their bad ideas with their skin colour instead of with their actual thinking (in psychology we call this cognitive dissonance)


edit: great, i am at the top of page two, which makes my post less avoidable than if it were in the mix

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#42
why are there so many people who think you will get instantly murdered by a dictator for protesting in most other countries on the planet
#43
#44
Did everyone see Richard Spencer be punched out
#45
yes while he was explaining pepe to a reporter lol
#46
did it help divorce his nationalism from capitalism any
#47
Econ academia is full of trust fund nazis like Spencer who make nice when you talk to them in person but anonymously gloat about putting your family in a mass grave online. After dealing with these shitheads for years, seeing him get laid out just as was smirking about his fucking pepe pin was pretty cathartic.
#48
Has anyone been able to get into the Bud Lite VIP tent?
#49

Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:

Econ academia is full of trust fund nazis like Spencer who make nice when you talk to them in person but anonymously gloat about putting your family in a mass grave online. After dealing with these shitheads for years, seeing him get laid out just as was smirking about his fucking pepe pin was pretty cathartic.



#50
I'm still not sure if trumps going to flail around selling steaks while his neocon secretaries insanely fuck everything up, actually run the nation and be a fascist man like all his speeches say, or secretly be a good president via doing anything at all other than drone bombing people and jailing journalists. To me they're all still equally likely & I'm in favor of any of them. I hope he sells every national park in the USA to Enron for one dollar.
#51
I think it's good to punch Nazis in the face.
#52
how many nazis have you punched in the face
#53
Depends on how you define nazi but at least 1.
#54
thats good.
#55
i have punched 2 nazis in the head and counting. let's get those numbers up.
#56
Heres the 2 grossest posts I've ever read in the history of the SA forums

1. Old GBS thread where a guy posted what it was like to host an orgy. I've got no problems with orgys or hosting them but this guys advice was all about having towels... lots of Warm... Clean... Towels . Keep them in the dryer so they're warm. Everyone will want to relax with a nice, fluffy, clean, dry, warm towel. with that smiley every time. It reminded me of the scene in eyes wide shut where Tom Cruze is in the tailor's shop and he's being seduced by a child and then the tailor comes out and you think he's going to be mad but actually hes pimping his daughter. Just in feeling.

2. In some old thread about being a english postgrad or something a guy asked the OP about reading and the OP described having to read things for school but then said that "(he) still likes to pleasure-read, and when (he) does, the honeyed words drip off the page" and its the grossest, dumbest, worst thing I can think of to say.

I was thinking about these in real life. They both are probably a decade old if not older at this point. There was no place else to post this. Understand that I will never die, and can't die, because everything is forever.
#57

Keven posted:

I'm still not sure if trumps going to flail around selling steaks while his neocon secretaries insanely fuck everything up, actually run the nation and be a fascist man like all his speeches say, or secretly be a good president via doing anything at all other than drone bombing people and jailing journalists. To me they're all still equally likely & I'm in favor of any of them. I hope he sells every national park in the USA to Enron for one dollar.



i suspect once the big boys have a sit down with him and explain exactly how the world works (war machine, etc) he'll be just like the other 44 presidents

#58
Thats option 1.
#59
from today
#60
Noooooo my private property!!!!
#61
how can you people hate anarchists so much when they have brought us the two greatest joys of the day, the balm we needed for our hearts
#62

when matters at last reached the stage of a mass movement, insurrection— when it was necessary to help the masses to use violence— then just at that moment the “terrorists” were missing. That is where the terrorists make their mistake.

#63
the real answer is that the only person on here who regularly displays distaste toward alliances with anarchists is me, because i used to be one.
#64
#65
i mean i'm sure goatstein thinks they're gross or w/e but thats kind of a given
#66

cars posted:

the real answer is that the only person on here who regularly displays distaste toward alliances with anarchists is me, because i used to be one.


i understand. i used to hate goths in high school because i was a jock who strived to be cool and accepted and i was envious that they felt free to display the pain and suffering that they felt inside, until a few years back when i realized that that was the gothest fucking thing of all

whats in our shadow is always the scariest, most offensive

#67
well no it's because they're mostly bourgeois-valued adventurists who tolerate incredibly degenerate behavior and immediately trust anyone they meet who seems to agree with them and are therefore the usual vector for police infiltration of any coalition, even more likely than the left-liberal Democrats, and all of them except the syndicalists don't pay any attention to history or understand that socialism requires defense as well as offense to establish and that ideology is exactly why they get played by the cops and scattered. they're good to smash things though as long as nothing is at stake for them except a night in jail so good job out there today, hope y'all become communists before the federal government entraps your squad.
#68
burt thats none of my business, kermit tea.
#69

cars posted:

the real answer is that the only person on here who regularly displays distaste toward alliances with anarchists is me, because i used to be one.


i always have a distaste for it, but i don't let that stop me from working with them cause you gotta make hay while the sun shines

#70

cars posted:

well no it's because they're mostly bourgeois-valued adventurists who tolerate incredibly degenerate behavior and immediately trust anyone they meet who seems to agree with them and are therefore the usual vector for police infiltration of any coalition, even more likely than the left-liberal Democrats, and all of them except the syndicalists don't pay any attention to history or understand that socialism requires defense as well as offense to establish and that ideology is exactly why they get played by the cops and scattered. they're good to smash things though as long as nothing is at stake for them except a night in jail so good job out there today, hope y'all become communists before the federal government entraps your squad.


my b iggest act of anarchy ever was putting on more eyeliner than alice cooper and angrily sitting on the edge of the wishing well/fountain in the mall i drove to in my shitty ford escort, for about two hours while i listened to leftover crack repeat on the cd playeer i got for christmas. i mean now i'm a former blue collar who is back in university but back then i'm pretty sure if i saw someone wearing a george w bush hat in those days i'd tell them to fuck right off!

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#71

cars posted:

well no it's because they're mostly bourgeois-valued adventurists who tolerate incredibly degenerate behavior and immediately trust anyone they meet who seems to agree with them and are therefore the usual vector for police infiltration of any coalition, even more likely than the left-liberal Democrats, and all of them except the syndicalists don't pay any attention to history or understand that socialism requires defense as well as offense to establish and that ideology is exactly why they get played by the cops and scattered. they're good to smash things though as long as nothing is at stake for them except a night in jail so good job out there today, hope y'all become communists before the federal government entraps your squad.


ah, i see we probably know different anarchists, the ones I know are extremely mindful of these things, but I am starting to meet more of the ones you're talking about and: yeah, that's a problem

#72
if you find cool anarchists work with them imo. i know exactly one and they don't really hang out with other anarchists, they are just from a certain strain of christian radicalism. the only person i keep in touch with from the old clique who is still anarcho-, i like their band but i can't invite them to anything substantial because they will inevitably show up with whatever sketchy drunks have been sleeping at their house for the last couple weeks and expect them to be put to use.
#73
i'll defend them to non-leftists, but i also have a pretty strong distaste for anarchists and that whole adbusters vein of protest culture

i don't really find these images of individual acts of protest cathartic. to me it looks like the ineffectual flailing of an extremely weak left... just depressing and embarrassing. my gut feeling is that it plays the same role in radical circles as the hillary clinton harry potter fanfic or woke toddler stuff does for liberals. i'm all for torching limos or punching nazis but something about treating the images as a "balm", "solace" or "moment of zen" is just pathetic.

idk maybe it is harmless or even necessary - and i am struggling to explain my vague intuitions here - but i can't shake the feeling that there's something toxic about it. losing to the right sucks, but creating a loser culture to comfort yourself just makes things worse
#74
actually it's full of win to have images of a nazi being punched and then a bunch of liberals get vinegary and it shows that they suck and the left owns... that's not in dispute.
#75
the left is stronger in the united states than it has ever been in my lifetime and probably since decades before then too, don't know what to make of gobbledygook about the left "losing" from anyone except people who think hillary clinton is a communist
#76

cars posted:

the left is stronger in the united states than it has ever been in my lifetime and probably since decades before then too, don't know what to make of gobbledygook about the left "losing" from anyone except people who think hillary clinton is a communist



well i agree with the first part. i am actually optimistic about the future and the left is much stronger than it was, but that's relaive to a terrible starting point and i think there's still a long way to go. maybe the momentum of the war is starting to turn but we're still losing almost every battle.

#77

mugabe_glasses posted:

cars posted:

the real answer is that the only person on here who regularly displays distaste toward alliances with anarchists is me, because i used to be one.

i understand. i used to hate goths in high school because i was a jock who strived to be cool and accepted and i was envious that they felt free to display the pain and suffering that they felt inside, until a few years back when i realized that that was the gothest fucking thing of all



hard disagree, actually its like that bit in evangelion whe

#78
Anarchists are useful for one thing: separating the wheat from the chaff. A Vine of Richard Spencer getting decked is a personality test, and the responses vary from "lol" to "not productive" to "free speech!" to "OH TOLERANT LIBERALS HUH?" and this is very useful to determine one's cretin levels
#79
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#80

thirdplace posted:

yesterday there was a story in The Hill that said the transition team was using a heritage foundation "blue print" which included eliminating the main source of funding for pretty much every legal aid office including the one i work at. so that's pretty cool


wow, trump already hard at work dismantling the labor aristocracy!