roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
That’s what I want

It was only after going to a Utah gun-range that I truly understood just how good it felt to have a gun in your hand , and how ludicrous it is for the government to try and prevent you from feeling that.


i find your attitude toward technology very confusing



how so? Technology is like bullying: it can be fun and personally rewarding but it’s also inherently destructive and we need to acknowledge that and not wallow in self-deceptions about how technology can 'help the planet' or burning a little kid with a cigarette can 'make them into a man'


i agree but of the aspects of technology that can be fun and personally rewarding, i wonder why you prefer "wielding a gun" over "attempting to understand and integrate with planetary ecology". maybe i just don't "get" guns. i don't understand your cigarette burning reference but it sounds awful

sorry it was a bit of a nasty visceral comparison.

i'm not pretending that guns are good, they are fun to play with, they are just as ultimately destructive to ourselves and this planet as any other piece of technology.

i don't understand what 'attempting to understand and integrate with planety ecology' means? We can't 'integrate' with planetary ecology when all we do is destroy and exploit it.

killing all of ourselves is literally the only way to restore some semblance of balance (i know this is subjective grounds) to the planet. And by balance i guess i mean a halt to the exponential reduction in biodiversity initiated by human technological progress

roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
biodiversity is important but biodiversity worship is liberal aestheticism

You’re looking at it through this ridiculous anthro-centric lens of ideology and politics, the vast VAST majority of the planet has no need or desire for such ridiculous abstract concepts we create to amuse ourselves in between bulldozing orang-utans for palm oil.

toy posted:

IWC you should read up on some Derek Jenson. would be a great troll persona

'"Every morning when I awake I ask myself whether I should write or blow up a dam. I tell myself I should keep writing, though I'm not sure that's right"'

damn i like this guy already, cheers for the heads up

Endgame is about what he describes as the inherent unsustainability of civilization. In this book he asks: "Do you believe that this culture will undergo a voluntary transformation to a sane and sustainable way of living?" Nearly everyone he talks to says no. His next question is: "How would this understanding — that this culture will not voluntarily stop destroying the natural world, eliminating indigenous cultures, exploiting the poor, and killing those who resist — shift our strategy and tactics? The answer? Nobody knows, because we never talk about it: we’re too busy pretending the culture will undergo a magical transformation."

damn this is exactly what i was trying to get at

roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Endgame is about what he describes as the inherent unsustainability of civilization. In this book he asks: "Do you believe that this culture will undergo a voluntary transformation to a sane and sustainable way of living?" Nearly everyone he talks to says no. His next question is: "How would this understanding — that this culture will not voluntarily stop destroying the natural world, eliminating indigenous cultures, exploiting the poor, and killing those who resist — shift our strategy and tactics? The answer? Nobody knows, because we never talk about it: we’re too busy pretending the culture will undergo a magical transformation."



damn this is exactly what i was trying to get at


no, i agree with this, i am basically trying to operate against the recognition that things will never change, i believe that eventually the culture will collapse, hence i am interested in technological forms that may survive and be useful after a collapse

3D-printer guns yeah, exactly

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

well i agree with you on most points here (the difference as the humans have the potential to do it to the WHOLE planet not just a pond or a continent even), but i take issue with the idea that there is ANY 'good human technology' from the point of view of krill or rhinos or rainforests

What about those dolphins who go fishing with Brazilians huh? owned

Weirdly there are now wild species that would go extinct without human intervention, for example in Ireland there are a few species of orchid whose only habitat are moist heavily grazed sheep pastures. the greatest threat to endemic Irish biodiversity is, ironically enough, the return of wilderness.

Squalid posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
well i agree with you on most points here (the difference as the humans have the potential to do it to the WHOLE planet not just a pond or a continent even), but i take issue with the idea that there is ANY 'good human technology' from the point of view of krill or rhinos or rainforests


What about those dolphins who go fishing with Brazilians huh? owned

Weirdly there are now wild species that would go extinct without human interventions.

Afghanistan will collapse if NATO withdraws !!! Buy Time Magazine!!!

Goethestein posted:

that isn't really a comparable situation. powered flight was new. it was materially different from any other kind of travel. this gun isn't new. it has the same function as any other gun on the planet, except worse. the concept of making the layman making his own shitty gun isn't new either. i could go to home depot right now and get everything i need to make a blunderbuss, cheaper and quicker and deadlier than this thing.

First World convenience is the Murder of Invention

innsmouthful posted:

understand that it is difficult if not impossible to totally eschew the use of technology in our "modern" age, but continually posting on internet forums? a narcissistic embrace of useless technology, i'd say. continuing usage is a tacit approval of the system of endless technological advancement for its own sake, and is thus a symptom of a fundamentally bankrupt world outlook.

it would be impossible to eschew the use of technology in ANY age. We literally define entire prehistoric cultures by the level of technology they achieved. Unless you are an illiterate mute living naked and shoeless in the open air, killing animals with your bare hands and feasting on their uncooked meat, you are using human technology. These subdivisions between "modern" and preindustrial technologies are almost entirely arbitrary. The Amish are using fucking cutting-edge technologies compared to the vast majority of all previously existing human society.