"Don't you know who I am?"

American Psycho (Mary Harron, 2000) comes down the moment that Patrick Bateman confronts his lawyer in person after leaving him an emotional confession over voicemail the night before. The lawyer is at first joking, then serious, then offended... he doesn't believe Bateman's experiences, in fact, he doesn't even think he is talking to Patrick Bateman. It's this complete dispossession of his identity, his great experiences that leads Bateman to insist "Don't you know who I am?" over and over to his lawyer, existentially insistent that he is, that his deeds have been.



The film is, after all, about the sublimation of human nature into financial capitalism, the commodification of our humanity. Patrick Bateman stands outside of this by some deficiency that has caused him to realize the contradiction between wanting to simultaneously fit in and be recognized for unique qualities. By day he is a misogynist who sits around in clubs and smokes cigars with the good-ol' boys, does no work in his office, harasses his secretary, and by night he acts out the logical deduction to his station in life: he cuts up women.



At first he seems to sincerely enjoy shoving his lifestyle's contradictions in the faces of others. At a dinner with vapid and dead-eyed companions he impresses upon them the importance of both civil rights and equality for women and a return to traditional moral values. Bateman almost seems to be bragging to the audience as he lovingly recounts his daily personal care routine while reminding us all the while he is a lunatic.



He books dinner reservations while watching pornography. He charms a woman into helping him with a blood-stained sheet at the cleaners. Yet after a spell he becomes discouraged and frustrated. As he drags a body bag out of his apartment building, leaving a trail of blood, a co-worker spots him on the street and asks where he got the bloody bag he is loading into a taxi. He openly confesses his murderous pastimes to people over dinner and drinks, only to have himself be (intentionally?) misunderstood time and time again. Murders and executions is heard as mergers and acquisitions. His fiance pretends not to hear him when he emphatically expresses his need to engage in murder and torture as often as possible.



Bateman's distress (and his lust for murder) grows as the subsumation of human qualities becomes more and more apparent over the course of the film. Women express the desire to be mothers, but are left high on xanax or holding pot-belly pigs or are otherwise enticed by money. Men are unable to assert masculinity by work they have done or accomplishments of merit - they are left comparing business cards and bragging over who can make more exclusive reservations at upscale restaurants. Drug use functions as it should in America: they lower inhibitions or else numb the pain of being alive.



As the film draws to a close, the action comes to a head as Bateman goes on a killing spree after unsuccessfully trying to feed a kitten into an ATM machine (this is deep). He blows up two cop cars and hides in one of his victims' apartment while a police helocoptor hovers outside. It is then that he leaves the cathartic confession on his lawyer's answering machine. He figures: the jig is up!

Yet the next day we find that either Patrick Bateman is insane (very clearly he is, but...) or the world is complicit in his destruction. He returns to the apartment where he kept the bodies and finds everything painted over and up for sale. His buddies at the club seem placid and his lawyer, as mentioned above, is embarrassed at his outburst confession. The only indication we have that it is not an illusion is his secretary going through his day planner and finding page after page of dismembered female body parts. Patrick Bateman the psychopath, it seems, is not at odds with Patrick Bateman the financial capitalist. Neither is his behavior or the subsumation of it into his seemingly all that unusual.



This is reinforced by the ending scene, where Bateman and his pals watch Reagan lying on TV about Iran-Contra. Just as it was so obvious to everyone that Reagan was no "harmless old codger" so too has Bateman's confession meant nothing to the audience or to the world so affected by his rampages. "Inside doesn't matter," he tells the audience, and so it hasn't, doesn't, and won't in that world. His structural purpose is all that matters. No one remembers him or who he is, but his part to play is so important that someone else will always hide the bodies for him.

Discussion of "Don't you know who I am?" on tHE r H i z z o n E:

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I hope you'll address the interpretation in which the murders (apart perhaps from that of Paul Allen) are fantasies of Patrick's.
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i kind of want to watch this but i have a really low tolerance for horror movie type gore and violence, the imagery sticks around like a persistent pollutant in my mind and ends up seeping into my dreams and stuff so i try to avoid it. how gross is it?
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I'm not sure I buy the idea that he's specifically targeting the vulnerable, given the centrality of the very high status Paul Allen.

It seems to me that the motivation for the actions (or imagined actions) has more to do with narcissism (e.g. Allen as threat to Bateman's ego, prostitutes as disposable toys to be discarded after sadistic gratification, etc). Narcissism also suggests why he couldn't bring himself to kill Chloe Sevigny (her naive infatuation/adoration was ego-boosting).

The medium of fantastic extreme violence (real or imagined, sexualized or not) was a neurotic reaction to the conformity/repression of his social station and cultural milieu -- a subconscious attempt to break free and act authentically (which ironically turns out to be barely noticeable in the context of 1980s wall street/high society morality).
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ok, but then what's your take on why he chose Al the homeless man? seems to me more like filth/poverty as offensive to his narcissistic desire for perfect surroundings -- it's less clear how Al exemplified any qualities that Patrick despised in himself.
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maybe authenticity? (vs. bateman's lack thereof)

but that seems kind of a stretch
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the scene where patrick and samantha mathis wish each other a happy easter is a great, great scene, a personal favorite
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Patrick Batman's performance in this movie was inspired by the dead eyed overly friendly persona of tom cruise lol
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tpaine posted:
i haven't read the book, but is it possible that the director was making fun of it, like verhoeven did with starship troopers?

i think there is an element of that. the film is definitely superior. might be interesting to note harron and her co-screenwriter actually rejected a screenplay by ellis.

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http://michael-miller.wiki.uml.edu/file/view/the+unattainable+narrative-american+psycho.pdf
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this film is one of the few things im interested in finance industry people's opinions on

if i knew any id invite them round to watch it over a few beers; maybe ask them about huey lewis & the news too...
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discipline posted:

I saw it more as "you're worthless weak willed and disgusting" rather than filth/poverty... and obviously Patrick Bateman is obsessed with being worth something (Dorsia?) and not weak willed and being not disgusting. Nobody goes through a personal hygiene ritual like that without feeling like they are disgusting



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A4Sju5NAdo#t=31s


"Well, maybe we shouldn't go out to dinner. I don't want to ruin your willpower."

"No it's alright, I'm not very good at controlling it anyway."

he tells the homeless man that he has "nothing in common" with him, but I dont think that's true.

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The first illustrated murder, that of the homeless man, occurs immediately after the business card showdown. Having been belittled in another man's success narrative, he uses this murder to reassert his significance. It is perhaps not terribly coincidental that the homeless man's name is "Al." Bateman is made to feel subordinated and belittled by Paul Allen, who approaches him at the boardroom table and, standing over him, literally talks down to him. Bateman's response is to immediately seek out someone over whom he can assert his status. So, he uses the murder scene as an opportunity to assume the same dictatorial position over the seated Al, a temporary surrogate for Paul Allen in this status-oriented psychodrama.

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gyrofry posted:

The first illustrated murder, that of the homeless man, occurs immediately after the business card showdown. Having been belittled in another man's success narrative, he uses this murder to reassert his significance. It is perhaps not terribly coincidental that the homeless man's name is "Al." Bateman is made to feel subordinated and belittled by Paul Allen, who approaches him at the boardroom table and, standing over him, literally talks down to him. Bateman's response is to immediately seek out someone over whom he can assert his status. So, he uses the murder scene as an opportunity to assume the same dictatorial position over the seated Al, a temporary surrogate for Paul Allen in this status-oriented psychodrama.



so, he kills his double in the shadowy recesses and cracks of the city/his subconscious...

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I have to return some video tapes.
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fantastic OP
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the only superhero movie i can remotely stand is the jack nicholson joker one with the prince soundtrack
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idgi t money please explain that clip to my tiny male brain
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fuck you tpaine and fuck your functional somethingawful account
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I'm not sure I think any of this is a good idea, but
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