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it's fashionable in today's post-marxist and postmodernist left to diminish the importance of class struggle in favor of focusing on other social antagonisms - the prime example of this mode of thought being laclau and mouffe. getfiscal has discussed this somewhat, usually w/ a sympathetic nod to the latter folks if i remember correctly. zizek on the other hand continually maintains the more orthodox view concerning the primacy of class in political and economic relations. with this notion in mind, this new article from LRB posted yesterday is a rather thought provoking analysis of the new role being fashioned with regard to classes in modern capitalism. if you read a lot of zizek you might recognize a lot of different ideas he's been playing with for quite some time, but the synthesis is quite interesting.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2012/01/11/slavoj-zizek/the-revolt-of-the-salaried-bourgeoisie

The Revolt of the Salaried Bourgeoisie
Slavoj Žižek

How did Bill Gates become the richest man in America? His wealth has nothing to do with the production costs of what Microsoft is selling: i.e. it is not the result of his producing good software at lower prices than his competitors, or of ‘exploiting’ his workers more successfully (Microsoft pays its intellectual workers a relatively high salary). If that had been the case, Microsoft would have gone bankrupt long ago: people would have chosen free systems like Linux which are as good as or better than Microsoft products. Millions of people are still buying Microsoft software because Microsoft has imposed itself as an almost universal standard, practically monopolising the field, as one embodiment of what Marx called the ‘general intellect’, meaning collective knowledge in all its forms, from science to practical knowhow. Gates effectively privatised part of the general intellect and became rich by appropriating the rent that followed from that.

The possibility of the privatisation of the general intellect was something Marx never envisaged in his writings about capitalism (largely because he overlooked its social dimension). Yet this is at the core of today’s struggles over intellectual property: as the role of the general intellect – based on collective knowledge and social co-operation – has increased in post-industrial capitalism, so wealth accumulates out of all proportion to the labour expended in its production. The result is not, as Marx seems to have expected, the self-dissolution of capitalism, but the gradual transformation of the profit generated by the exploitation of labour into rent appropriated through the privatisation of knowledge.

The same goes for natural resources, the exploitation of which is one of the world’s main sources of rent. What follows is a permanent struggle over who gets the rent: citizens of the Third World or Western corporations. It’s ironic that in explaining the difference between labour (which in its use produces surplus value) and other commodities (which consume all their value in their use), Marx gives oil as an example of an ‘ordinary’ commodity. Any attempt now to link the rise and fall in the price of oil to the rise or fall in production costs or the price of exploited labour would be meaningless: production costs are negligible as a proportion of the price we pay for oil, a price which is really the rent the resource’s owners can command thanks to its limited supply.

A consequence of the rise in productivity brought about by the exponentially growing impact of collective knowledge is a change in the role of unemployment. It is the very success of capitalism (greater efficiencies, raised productivity etc) which produces unemployment, rendering more and more workers useless: what should be a blessing – less hard labour needed – becomes a curse. Or, to put it differently, the chance of being exploited in a long-term job is now experienced as a privilege. The world market, as Fredric Jameson has put it, is now ‘a space in which everyone has once been a productive labourer, and in which labour has everywhere begun to price itself out of the system’. In the ongoing process of capitalist globalisation, the category of the unemployed is no longer confined to Marx’s ‘reserve army of labour’; it also includes, as Jameson describes, ‘those massive populations around the world who have, as it were, “dropped out of history”, who have been deliberately excluded from the modernising projects of First World capitalism and written off as hopeless or terminal cases’: so-called failed states (DR Congo, Somalia), victims of famine or ecological disaster, trapped by pseudo-archaic ‘ethnic hatreds’, objects of philanthropy and NGOs or targets of the ‘war on terror’. The category of the unemployed has thus expanded to encompass vast ranges of people, from the temporarily unemployed, through to the no longer employable and permanently unemployed, to the inhabitants of ghettos and slums (all those often dismissed by Marx himself as ‘lumpen-proletarians’), and finally to the whole populations or states excluded from the global capitalist process, like the blank spaces on ancient maps.

Some say that this new form of capitalism provides new possibilities for emancipation. This at any rate is the thesis of Hardt and Negri’s Multitude, which tries to radicalise Marx, who held that if we just cut the head off capitalism we’d get socialism. Marx, as they see it, was historically constrained by the notion of centralised, automated and hierarchically organised mechanical industrial labour, with the result that he understood ‘general intellect’ as something rather like a central planning agency; it is only today, with the rise of ‘immaterial labour’, that a revolutionary reversal has become ‘objectively possible’. This immaterial labour extends between two poles: from intellectual labour (production of ideas, texts, programs etc) to affective labour (carried out by doctors, babysitters and flight attendants). Today, immaterial labour is ‘hegemonic’ in the sense in which Marx proclaimed that, in 19th-century capitalism, large industrial production was hegemonic: it imposes itself not through force of numbers but by playing the key, emblematic structural role. What emerges is a vast new domain called the ‘common’: shared knowledge and new forms of communication and co-operation. The products of immaterial production aren’t objects but new social or interpersonal relations; immaterial production is bio-political, the production of social life.

Hardt and Negri are here describing the process that the ideologists of today’s ‘postmodern’ capitalism celebrate as the passage from material to symbolic production, from centralist-hierarchical logic to the logic of self-organisation and multi-centred co-operation. The difference is that Hardt and Negri are effectively faithful to Marx: they are trying to prove that Marx was right, that the rise of the general intellect is in the long term incompatible with capitalism. The ideologists of postmodern capitalism are making exactly the opposite claim: Marxist theory (and practice), they argue, remains within the constraints of the hierarchical logic of centralised state control and so can’t cope with the social effects of the information revolution. There are good empirical reasons for this claim: what effectively ruined the Communist regimes was their inability to accommodate to the new social logic sustained by the information revolution: they tried to steer the revolution making it into yet another large-scale centralised state-planning project. The paradox is that what Hardt and Negri celebrate as the unique chance to overcome capitalism is celebrated by the ideologists of the information revolution as the rise of a new, ‘frictionless’ capitalism.

Hardt and Negri’s analysis has some weak points, which explain how capitalism has been able to survive what should have been (in classic Marxist terms) a new organisation of production that rendered it obsolete. They underestimate the extent to which today’s capitalism has successfully (in the short term at least) privatised the general intellect itself, as well as the extent to which, more than the bourgeoisie, workers themselves are becoming superfluous (with greater and greater numbers of them becoming not just temporarily unemployed but structurally unemployable).

If the old capitalism ideally involved an entrepreneur who invested (his own or borrowed) money into production that he organised and ran and then reaped the profit, a new ideal type is emerging today: no longer the entrepreneur who owns his company, but the expert manager (or a managerial board presided over by a CEO) who runs a company owned by banks (also run by managers who don’t own the bank) or dispersed investors. In this new ideal type of capitalism, the old bourgeoisie, rendered non-functional, is refunctionalised as salaried management: the new bourgeoisie gets wages, and even if they own part of their company, they earn stocks as part of their remuneration for their work (‘bonuses’ for their ‘success’).

This new bourgeoisie still appropriates surplus value, but in the (mystified) form of what has been called ‘surplus wage’: they are paid rather more than the proletarian ‘minimum wage’ (an often mythic point of reference whose only real example in today’s global economy is the wage of a sweatshop worker in China or Indonesia), and it is this distinction from common proletarians which determines their status. The bourgeoisie in the classic sense thus tends to disappear: capitalists reappear as a subset of salaried workers, as managers who are qualified to earn more by virtue of their competence (which is why pseudo-scientific ‘evaluation’ is crucial: it legitimises disparities in earnings). Far from being limited to managers, the category of workers earning a surplus wage extends to all sorts of experts, administrators, public servants, doctors, lawyers, journalists, intellectuals and artists. The surplus they get takes two forms: more money (for managers etc), but also less work and more free time (for – some – intellectuals, but also for state administrators etc).

The evaluative procedure that qualifies some workers to receive a surplus wage is an arbitrary mechanism of power and ideology, with no serious link to actual competence; the surplus wage exists not for economic but for political reasons: to maintain a ‘middle class’ for the purpose of social stability. The arbitrariness of social hierarchy is not a mistake, but the whole point, with the arbitrariness of evaluation playing an analogous role to the arbitrariness of market success. Violence threatens to explode not when there is too much contingency in the social space, but when one tries to eliminate contingency. In La Marque du sacré, Jean-Pierre Dupuy conceives hierarchy as one of the four procedures (‘dispositifs symboliques’) whose function is to make the relationship of superiority non-humiliating: hierarchy itself (an externally imposed order that allows me to experience my lower social status as independent of my inherent value); demystification (the ideological procedure that demonstrates that society is not a meritocracy but the product of objective social struggles, enabling me to avoid the painful conclusion that someone else’s superiority is the result of his merits and achievements); contingency (a similar mechanism, by which we come to understand that our position on the social scale depends on a natural and social lottery; the lucky ones are those born with the right genes in rich families); and complexity (uncontrollable forces have unpredictable consequences; for instance, the invisible hand of the market may lead to my failure and my neighbour’s success, even if I work much harder and am much more intelligent). Contrary to appearances, these mechanisms don’t contest or threaten hierarchy, but make it palatable, since ‘what triggers the turmoil of envy is the idea that the other deserves his good luck and not the opposite idea – which is the only one that can be openly expressed.’ Dupuy draws from this premise the conclusion that it is a great mistake to think that a reasonably just society which also perceives itself as just will thereby be free of all resentment: on the contrary, it is precisely in such a society that those who occupy inferior positions will find an outlet for their hurt pride in violent outbursts of resentment.

Connected to this is the impasse faced by today’s China: the ideal goal of Deng’s reforms was to introduce capitalism without a bourgeoisie (since they would be the new ruling class); now, however, China’s leaders are making the painful discovery that capitalism without a stable hierarchy (brought about by the existence of a bourgeoisie) generates permanent instability. So what path will China take? The former Communists, meanwhile, are emerging as the most efficient managers of capitalism because their historical enmity towards the bourgeoisie as a class perfectly fits the tendency of today’s capitalism to become a managerial capitalism without a bourgeoisie – in both cases, as Stalin put it long ago, ‘cadres decide everything.’ (An interesting difference between today’s China and Russia: in Russia, university teachers are ridiculously underpaid – they are de facto already part of the proletariat – while in China they are comfortably provided with a surplus wage as a means to guarantee their docility.)

The notion of surplus wage also throws new light on the ongoing ‘anti-capitalist’ protests. In times of crisis, the obvious candidates for ‘belt-tightening’ are the lower levels of the salaried bourgeoisie: political protest is their only recourse, if they are to avoid joining the proletariat. Although their protests are nominally directed at the brutal logic of the market, they are in effect protesting against the gradual erosion of their (politically) privileged economic place. Ayn Rand has a fantasy in Atlas Shrugged of striking ‘creative’ capitalists, a fantasy that finds its perverted realisation in today’s strikes, which are mostly strikes on the part of a ‘salaried bourgeoisie’ driven by fear of losing their privilege (their surplus over the minimum wage). These are not proletarian protests, but protests against the threat of being reduced to proletarians. Who dares strike today, when having a permanent job has itself become a privilege? Not low-paid workers in (what remains of) the textile industry etc, but those privileged workers with guaranteed jobs (teachers, public transport workers, police). This also accounts for the wave of student protests: their main motivation is arguably the fear that higher education will no longer guarantee them a surplus wage in later life.

At the same time it is clear that the huge revival of protests over the past year, from the Arab Spring to Western Europe, from Occupy Wall Street to China, from Spain to Greece, should not be dismissed as merely a revolt of the salaried bourgeoisie. Each case has to be taken on its own merits. The student protests against university reform in the UK were clearly different from August’s riots, which were a consumerist carnival of destruction, a true outburst of the excluded. One can argue that the uprisings in Egypt began in part as a revolt of the salaried bourgeoisie (educated young people protesting about their lack of prospects), but this was only one aspect of a larger protest against an oppressive regime. On the other hand, the protest hardly mobilised poor workers and peasants and the electoral victory of the Islamists is an indication of the narrow social base of the original secular protest. Greece is a special case: in the last decades, a new salaried bourgeoisie (especially in the over-extended state administration) was created thanks to EU financial help and loans, and the protests were motivated in large part by the threat of losing this privilege.

Meanwhile, the proletarianisation of the lower salaried bourgeoisie is accompanied at the opposite extreme by the irrationally high remuneration of top managers and bankers. This remuneration is economically irrational since, as investigations have demonstrated in the US, it tends to be inversely proportional to a company’s success. Rather than submit these trends to moralising criticism, we should read them as signs that the capitalist system itself is no longer able to find any level of self-regulated stability – it threatens, in other words, to run out of control.

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When did the capitalist system ever find any level of self-regulated stability?
#3
in capitalist cuba and north korea
#4
I don’t see why Bill Gates is such a reviled figured either. I’ve paid a few hundred bucks towards Microsoft in my life and I guess they probably didn’t deserve it, but a few hundred bucks to be able to access the cornucopia of education and entertainment that informs my life seems like a fucking steal.
#5
I think it is true that the general intellect is central to the distribution of capital and its contemporary reproduction. It is also true that traditional forms of factory work and agricultural labour have been decimated, and large parts of the population simply written off, as capital seeks to intensify its competition over a small core of extreme wealth. However, I think we should be careful about what this means.

Marx was always careful to talk about the surface activity of capital as hiding the truth of its internal logic, which depends on labour. The shift to the general intellect is not the end of labour. Rather, all wealth derived from the general intellect has a prior base in labour. Using the example of Bill Gates, his contribution allowed a massive concentration of capital to bubble, but almost all of this relates back to the material in some way. That is, it is software used to coordinate commodity production and distribution. While the logic of capital is pushed to a certain second order, where the new centers of wealth are built around what is valuable to the overall capitalist system rather than simply "old" types of commodity production and so on, the commodity as embodied labour and associated resources is still the heart of the entire system.

If you ask what poorer people in most countries are lacking, it is almost always clearly material things related to their survival and comfort. People need access to food, water, housing, heating, clothing and so on. Resources are almost all focused towards the richer countries and the production systems that cater to them. I don't think it is all that wild to suggest that the global system needs to be reworked around a simple material egalitarian basis, centered on a planning function that coordinates labour and other available resources with needs and sustainability. I think that the solutions to most global problems are boring, obvious and considered "politically impossible" because of their distributional and political outcomes. So, I would say that the wedding of advanced information technology and state socialist planning mechanisms is probably not to be rejected, but sort of seen as the likely alternative.
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
I don’t see why Bill Gates is such a reviled figured either. I’ve paid a few hundred bucks towards Microsoft in my life and I guess they probably didn’t deserve it, but a few hundred bucks to be able to access the cornucopia of education and entertainment that informs my life seems like a fucking steal.



mere psychological defense mechanisms to avoid the painful realization that you shoulda installed linux

#7
I don’t care about computers or programming or any of that shit though, I just want to be able to use The Internet and microshaft makes it easy for me.
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
I don’t see why Bill Gates is such a reviled figured either. I’ve paid a few hundred bucks towards Microsoft in my life and I guess they probably didn’t deserve it, but a few hundred bucks to be able to access the cornucopia of education and entertainment that informs my life seems like a fucking steal.

thats how i feel about the temple wizards who charge me just a couple goats to convince the gods to bless my harvest

#9
lmao "the education that informs my life" damn dude you are BORING ME
#10
in fairness have you tried using a linux, its really bad and sucks although i guess its perfect for reading/writing/programming in isolation
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This new bourgeoisie still appropriates surplus value, but in the (mystified) form of what has been called ‘surplus wage’: they are paid rather more than the proletarian ‘minimum wage’ (an often mythic point of reference whose only real example in today’s global economy is the wage of a sweatshop worker in China or Indonesia), and it is this distinction from common proletarians which determines their status. The bourgeoisie in the classic sense thus tends to disappear: capitalists reappear as a subset of salaried workers, as managers who are qualified to earn more by virtue of their competence (which is why pseudo-scientific ‘evaluation’ is crucial: it legitimises disparities in earnings). Far from being limited to managers, the category of workers earning a surplus wage extends to all sorts of experts, administrators, public servants, doctors, lawyers, journalists, intellectuals and artists. The surplus they get takes two forms: more money (for managers etc), but also less work and more free time (for – some – intellectuals, but also for state administrators etc).



http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6E8CD1V920120113

ABUJA Jan 13 (Reuters) - Nigerian unions will suspend strikes on Saturday and Sunday and reopen airports so that their leaders can travel from around the country to Abuja for negotiations with the government on fuel subsidies, a union official said.

"Please take note that there will be no strike Saturday or Sunday only," said Chika Onuegbu, national relations officer for main oil union PENGASSAN and chairman of the Rivers state arm of the Trade Union Congress, one of Nigeria's two largest unions.

He said the decision applied to all unions taking strike action. "Our members in the aviation industry are hereby requested to allow planes to fly today, tomorrow and Sunday so the executive labour council can meet."

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cleanhands posted:
in fairness have you tried using a linux, its really bad and sucks although i guess its perfect for reading/writing/programming in isolation



its getting better, and i guarantee that if microsoft wasnt the default it would be a lot better through necessity + programmer nerds not tied to micro$$oft or osx

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aerdil posted:

cleanhands posted:
in fairness have you tried using a linux, its really bad and sucks although i guess its perfect for reading/writing/programming in isolation

its getting better, and i guarantee that if microsoft wasnt the default it would be a lot better through necessity + programmer nerds not tied to micro$$oft or osx



programmer nerds are not + never have been tied to windows/osx, and in fact everyone who learns to program is exposed to linux and open source ideology at some stage and its not the case that capital has secured all the good coders for itself leaving only the dregs to plug away at free alternatives.

There are some major problems with open source right now. The first problem with open source is that it only exists for programmers and doesnt reach out beyond that industry - which means that all the other stuff you get in windows/osx (images/sounds/applications) are also put together by programmers who are, more often than not, teaching themselves new skills by doing so. This works badly in the case of non-computer hobby activities and not at all in the case of non-computer business apps. Thus a lot of open source software ends up being unfit for use by anyone who requires more than a text editor and a browser but doesnt have a ton of capital to sink into support.

The second problem is that, in focusing on trying to minimize as much as possible the use of proprietory methods in order to create a separate and distinct 'free software' experience, it reinforces the legitimacy of intellectual property itself by creating two obviously demonstrable tiers of software enjoyment (capital software owns, social software sucks, make your choice) when it should instead be stealing IP wholesale and distributing it free to the people as a revolutionary act or whatever

the third i guess is that even if software is free hardware isnt, and software responds to hardware requirements (and more broadly also social relations, which inform demand for new features), and you can therefore never control your software without seizing the means of production

I used to hang on yospos a lot and richard stallman is a cool fucked up dude who i would like to read properly to get a handle on his ideology so i can write my first front page article

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i started reading living in the end times today and its good but he can be so flippant in his misuse and disrespect of other cultures. he literally cites wikipedia to source his ideas on chinese legalism. its very exploitative and though i understand it doesnt matterh ow accurate his examples are, as theyre just used to demonstrate a point, its still pretty repulsive
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linux was a pretty radical idea for a while but its hawkers never really had any commitment to the cause. most people don't know linux as anything but a nerdy obsession, and even if they downloaded ubuntu they'd probably balk at the inferior GUI. commodity fetishism ensures that the discriminating consumer can only think in terms of well worn techno-tropes. relationship to production, the fuck is that? now we're stuck in facebook/twitter/mac hell for eternity
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discipline posted:
The "Ziz" just writes for money yall


yes but he's doing it ironically

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animedad posted:
linux was a pretty radical idea for a while but its hawkers never really had any commitment to the cause.


clearly you've never met richard stallman

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babyfinland posted:

i started reading living in the end times today and its good but he can be so flippant in his misuse and disrespect of other cultures. he literally cites wikipedia to source his ideas on chinese legalism. its very exploitative and though i understand it doesnt matterh ow accurate his examples are, as theyre just used to demonstrate a point, its still pretty repulsive



gyrofry posted:

animedad posted:

linux was a pretty radical idea for a while but its hawkers never really had any commitment to the cause.

clearly you've never met richard stallman



#20

discipline posted:
The "Ziz" just writes for money yall



And Engels just wanted a backup plan in case his factory failed

#21
pretty sure if zizek just wanted to make money he'd be doing something else.

thats not to say he doesnt pump out a shit load of books in order to make a living however. and quality differs.
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babyfinland posted:
i started reading living in the end times today and its good but he can be so flippant in his misuse and disrespect of other cultures. he literally cites wikipedia to source his ideas on chinese legalism. its very exploitative and though i understand it doesnt matterh ow accurate his examples are, as theyre just used to demonstrate a point, its still pretty repulsive



starting that book was one of the biggest mistakes i ever made, im like a quarter of the way and in terms of effort vs understanding so far its been like climbing an escher staircase

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animedad posted:
linux was a pretty radical idea for a while but its hawkers never really had any commitment to the cause. most people don't know linux as anything but a nerdy obsession, and even if they downloaded ubuntu they'd probably balk at the inferior GUI. commodity fetishism ensures that the discriminating consumer can only think in terms of well worn techno-tropes. relationship to production, the fuck is that? now we're stuck in facebook/twitter/mac hell for eternity



the open source movement is a provincial first world thing largely kept rolling by comfortable white middle class men and looking to it for some kind of inherent radicalism will result in SadFeel

#24

cleanhands posted:

babyfinland posted:
i started reading living in the end times today and its good but he can be so flippant in his misuse and disrespect of other cultures. he literally cites wikipedia to source his ideas on chinese legalism. its very exploitative and though i understand it doesnt matterh ow accurate his examples are, as theyre just used to demonstrate a point, its still pretty repulsive

starting that book was one of the biggest mistakes i ever made, im like a quarter of the way and in terms of effort vs understanding so far its been like climbing an escher staircase



Don't Panic, Read Some Adrian Johnston articles/books

#25
zizek is sorta funny in that his claim to fame was based on arguing that the brain is basically marxist, that it works on a base (subject) -superstructure (ego) model and that also jouissance works in the same way as capitalism (infinite search for /reproduction of an excess).

which was basically a monster troll of all the people that were like hey lacan is cool let's use that to study new wave music and never talk about marx again except to say he was mostly wrong. which is also funny because now a lot of people think of zizek as some weird dude that argues the sound of music is fascist.
#26
i went to an old friend's house last year and they were like "someone got us the worst present ever. it's a dvd of an old sweaty man talking for an hour and he said the sound of music is nazi." and i smirked smugly like president 43.
#27

cleanhands posted:
the open source movement is a provincial first world thing largely kept rolling by comfortable white middle class men and looking to it for some kind of inherent radicalism will result in SadFeel


very true. it wasnt so much radical as it was an interesting exercise in building the 1st world capitalist economy for the future. but, well, we now see how those dew drinkers were completely content with keeping their little niche toys to themselves instead of forcing them down everyone's throat and actually trying to compete on the markets with a new business model

#28
My zizek experience is seeing him introduced on a video as the most dangerous philosopher in the world. I died of laughter and this is my ghost posting for ur benefit
#29
w/r/t the op: agreed.
#30
i agree with george w. bush; jesus christ is the most dangerous philosopher in the world
#31

Groulxsmith posted:
i agree with george w. bush; jesus christ is the most dangerous philosopher in the world



Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes.

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

#32
i have mixed opinions and an admittedly incomplete understanding of zizek but i enjoy reading things he writes about christianity
#33

Groulxsmith posted:
i have mixed opinions and an admittedly incomplete understanding of zizek but i enjoy reading things he writes about christianity



you should read adrian johnston's zizek's ontology then

#34
that sounds cool, i just have no background in psychoanalysis at all and i usually have to research explanations for just about everything when i read things heavily referencing it
#35

Lykourgos posted:
My zizek experience is seeing him introduced on a video as the most dangerous philosopher in the world. I died of laughter and this is my ghost posting for ur benefit



rip

#36

Groulxsmith posted:
that sounds cool, i just have no background in psychoanalysis at all and i usually have to research explanations for just about everything when i read things heavily referencing it



the book explains lacan (at least as it pertains to zizek and his philosophical project) better than anything else ive read. its pretty heavy on philosophy but i dont think it reqs any specific background knowledge

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cleanhands posted:

the open source movement is a provincial first world thing largely kept rolling by comfortable white middle class men and looking to it for some kind of inherent radicalism will result in SadFeel



right now it is, but the most interesting thing about the open source movement at the moment is that it's extending beyond just trying to make code that's public for communities to develop. it seems to be moving from just code to releasing blueprints, schematics, diagrams, chemical formulas, etc, whatever. one of the cooler things about it is for things like hardware, especially for things called micro-controllers that run machines and robots, is that it has made it a lot cheaper (like from about $100 to as low as $20) and easier to learn what computers tick. it's even gotten to the point where a lot of open source hardware projects can even be made on a kitchen table without any large tools. take a look at the arduino for example.

http://vimeo.com/18539129

i think what you said about hardware is still true though, that pretty much even if some software is free, hardware won't really ever be, but i think it has the potential to put a serious dent it in making things more accessible. it maybe extremely idealistic, but things like this really give me hope.

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#39
one digital eavesdropping device per child
#40

gyrofry posted:
one digital eavesdropping device per child



the network is the eavesdropper not the device fyi