EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

I'm going to email an ex-panther professor of mine tonite and ask him what he thinks of this.

catchphrase

Impper posted:

babyfinland posted:

TROT_CUMLOVER posted:

a really vague reference in an fbi document and the word of some dead dude is the kind of solid evidence that conclusively proved izzy stone was a soviet spy and e howard hunt killed jfk

haha youre one of those people

you poest like a cointelpro

wow thats really vague

palafox posted:

though a totally wishy-washy musician, fred ho kind of goes buck on this http://sfbayview.com/2012/fred-ho-refutes-the-claim-that-richard-aoki-was-an-fbi-informant/

thats actually pretty dumb because no one is claiming he was an "FBI agent", just that he was in contact with the police, at most an informant. all this apologism abotu this is really bizarre and hysterical and not really grounded in the assertions being made. like i dont even read the evidence as damning of aoki, its just interesting that he obviously was in contact with the FBI in a substantive way

Crow posted:

babyfinland posted:

palafox posted:

though a totally wishy-washy musician, fred ho kind of goes buck on this http://sfbayview.com/2012/fred-ho-refutes-the-claim-that-richard-aoki-was-an-fbi-informant/

thats actually pretty dumb because no one is claiming he was an "FBI agent", just that he was in contact with the police, at most an informant. all this apologism abotu this is really bizarre and hysterical and not really grounded in the assertions being made. like i dont even read the evidence as damning of aoki, its just interesting that he obviously was in contact with the FBI in a substantive way

what do you mean "hysterical"? these are people that have known him for decades responding to vague allegations that damage their close friend's legacy and integrity, you weirdo. calm down

no UR hysterical.. and a weirdo!!!

lol again "vague allegations"

keep saying it and it will become true

A recent article (published at CIROnline.org) and book (entitled Subversives: The FBI’s War on Student Radicals, and Reagan’s Rise To Power), both authored by Seth Rosenfeld, contain a serious allegation that Richard Aoki acted as an FBI informant throughout his involvement in several revolutionary movements for social justice. If these allegations are proven to be true, we do not condone these actions in any shape or form. However, as the discourse and investigation of these claims commence, we feel it is important to remind people that the burden of proof must fall on those that make the accusation. “No investigation, no right to judge” is a common Movement saying that bears repeating in these circumstances. Accusing anyone of being an informant is extremely inflammatory and any allegations must be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated for evidence. For those familiar with the history of COINTELPRO and tactics employed by the FBI falsely hanging snitchjackets on prominent contributors to the Movement to create internal dissent and conflict, the burden of proof must lie with the individual or group making the claim. After reviewing Rosenfeld’s article, video, and book, there is no solid evidence presented that Richard was a FBI informant.

Rosenfeld’s conclusion that Richard was an FBI informant is based on the following:

• He claims Richard made “suggestive statements” during an interview he granted Rosenfeld in 2007. However, the audio Rosenfeld has provided of the interview reveals that Richard clearly denied any allegation that he was an FBI informant.
  
  
• An interview with former FBI agent Burney Threadgill in which he claims he recruited and trained Richard to be an informant. Threadgill passed away in 2005 and does not appear to have offered any additional proof beyond his own word, which contradicts Richard’s.
  
  
• An FBI document that connects Richard with a supplementary T symbol (SF T-2). This document does not explain what this designation meant except for the unclear statement, “the limited purpose of describing his connections with the organization and characterizing him.” Furthermore, all names under the Informants column on the page with the SF T-2 designation have been redacted. In fact, all names on this page have been redacted except for Richard’s, which calls for further information and clarification as to the actual identity of SF T-2. Since the identify of SF T-2 is unknown, it is possible that the SF T-2 informant was assigned to inform on Richard, explaining why Richard’s name is listed on this document and why SF T-2 was “designated (assigned) for…Aoki.” The FBI files released by Rosenfeld do not reveal any documentation that Aoki actually provided information to the FBI.
  
  
• The testimony of former FBI agent M. Wesley Swearingen that Richard fits the profile of an informant. While Swearingen has been consistently outspoken and critical of the FBI’s counter surveillance tactics, he admits he does not have any actual connection to Richard.
  

now go take some valerian root, calm down, chew on some sage bark to calm your Hysteria, Go be Normal for Once for Chrissakes, Sit in the Noob chair \_, and start treating people with respect, Or i'll report you

getfiscal posted:

“No investigation, no right to judge” is a common Movement saying that bears repeating in these circumstances.

the original quote is "No investigation, no right to speak" and it was uttered by the chinese despot mao tse-tung. he killed millions of people in his foolhardy schemes. and aoki's dupes wanted to make america just like china. thank god they failed.

sorry, but if memory serves, china is on the other side of the world, and this is America, which has different sayings and in fact a different language. Something perhaps you Queboicois dont understand, comprenez-vous, mon gâteau aux fruits peu? Beaucoup de baisers de la boulangerie