#1
the truly criminal move of pornography is to depersonalize sex for viewers too young to know any alternative. porn predicates pleasure on exploitation; no amount of sensitivity or healthy socialization can unknow the formative first arousal of violence. if anything, sensitivity makes things worse - we are just good enough to know exactly how bad we are, just honest enough to pity anyone for trusting us.

the same way that porn ruins us for emotional fidelity, higher education ruins us for truth. the joyful manipulation of ideas (the study of the humanities) debases truth in terms of pleasure, as though exotic rhetoric were a sustaining alternative to discipline and love. ideas no longer demand intellectual commitment, let alone action in the world; to think seriously about something is only to play with and profane it. from this, the fear of thoughts of God.

we objectify what we fear to love. and so sex becomes, at best, two mutually exclusive acts of exploitation, and truth the convenient allegiance of what we want and what we read. instead of pursuing intuitions of truth and love, we simply distrust that we are capable or worthy of them.
#2
I was made incapable of believing myself worthy of love or good deeds long before pornography and academia got ahold of me. I mean i like what you wrote and all but are we obsessed with these symptoms? Yes porn is exploitative and fucks people up, how do we abolish it then? Yes smart kids are defused by sad tours of the meaninglessness of it all, what can we have them do instead?
#3
God is real
#4

swampman posted:



I don't know either :^[
but I don't think the current state of education and sexuality expresses anything but our hatred of one another.

I want to learn more about guilds!!

#5
they are a convenient means of organizing players to gear up for and complete end-game raiding content.
#6
i mean what is the function of pornography? its a masturbatory aid, a shortcut for the imagination. its content is a barometer of existing power relations. if this function is important for good social organization, what should replace it?
#7
porn is great for learning spicy and thrilling techniques such as the donkey punch or the filthy sanchez
#8
this is gobbledygook
#9

GoldenLionTamarin posted:

God is real



God Israel

#10
Hey all. I took one logic class one time and i'm pretty sure your thesis maps out to a photograph of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnston barfing.
#11
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#12
its a bad op
#13
how do you figure about truth and love.
#14
"your little typology posts are really good and original, i enjoyed readin em!! good luck, you should keep writing them" - message Imppersent me yesterday on Tumblr where I have a different name and a cheesy picture of myself hahaha
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#16
agree w/ the op but really it doesnt go far enough. if we are to truly eviscerate the soul of man we must amalgamate the pornography industry with the prison-education complex, creating a single body, a single enormous conveyor belt for the processing of living thinking feeling human beings into hollow shells containing only a yawning, roaring lack. world without end
#17
all teachers are figuratively prostitutes already. it is our duty to tear down the obfuscating veil of metaphor
#18
it is our duty to seek meaningful labor, in a rubric where meaning and value simply measure the degree that something communicates love.
#19
lol no it is our duty to scorch the earth into a horizontal desert empty but for the restless yelping hunger of the djinn that were once men
#20
just so you know ken is 14
#21
yeah but i fingered a girl one time so im basically an adult now i think
#22

In pornography, the utopia of a classless society displays itself through gross caricatures of those traits that distinguish classes and their transfiguration in the sexual act. (. . .) If we look for the truth content of pornography, it immediately displays its artless and insipid claim to happiness. The essential character of this happiness is that it be enactable at any time or place: whatever the initial situation, it must inevitably end up in a sexual relation. A pornographic film, in which by some mischance this did not happen would, perhaps, be a masterpiece but it would no longer be a pornographic film. (Agamben, 1995: 73^4)

The second essential characteristic of pornography consists in the necessarily episodic nature of the happiness whose possibility it attests to: ‘it is always a story, a moment seized on, and never a natural condition or something taken for granted’ (Agamben, 1995: 74). Thus, pornography a⁄rms the potential for happiness at any moment in everyday life, but this happiness is neither conceived as a natural condition of humanity nor as a utopian ‘everlasting heaven of pleasure’ (Agamben, 1995: 74), but is rather explicitly presented as anecdotal, a moment seized in the context that would at ¢rst glance seem to make it impossible, that is, at work.

This is why Agamben speaks of an ‘insipid social-democratic zealousness of pornography’ (1995: 75). In its promise of happiness, pornography displays the ‘utopia of a classless society’, but it only does so in the context characterized by ‘a stubborn insistence on class markings in dress at the very moment that the situation both transgresses and nulli¢es them in the most incongruous of ways’ (Agamben, 1995: 73). By marking class di¡erences (‘the aprons of maids, the worker’s overalls, the smocks and halfmasks of nurses’) at the moment when they dissolve in sexual union, pornography asserts that happiness (the ‘classless society’) is only accessible in and by virtue of the relations of work that otherwise preclude it (Agamben, 1995: 73). In this manner, the pornographic a⁄rmation of happiness goes hand in hand with its evasive withdrawal.

(Prozorov, Pornography and Profanation in the Political Philosophy of Giorgio Agamben)



In a programmatic essay ‘In Praise of Profanation’ from the book Profanations (2007b) first published in 2005, Agamben returns to this theme of the illusory character of the pornographic representation of happiness. The key feature of Agamben’s concept of profanation is the emphasis on free or experimental use in contrast to possession or property. Profanation should be distinguished from secularization, which ‘leaves intact the forces it deals with by simply moving them from one place to another. Profanation neutralizes what it profanes. Once profaned, that which was unavailable and separate loses its aura and is returned to use’ (Agamben, 2007b: 77). The profanation of the sacred object removes it from a separate sphere, in which its use was proscribed or regulated, and renders it available for free use in a myriad of non-canonical ways, making the object in question a ‘pure means’, whose being is divorced from any end and is wholly manifested in its sheer potentiality for whatever use (see Agamben, 2000: 49^60, 2005c: 77^87, 2005b: 61^3).

It is in this context that Agamben returns to pornography’s false promise of happiness, which he now terms ‘producing the unprofanable’ (2007b: 89) and links with the more general logic of the society of the spectacle under late capitalism. In Agamben’s reading, inspired by Walter Benjamin’s account of capitalism as a religion, capitalism is characterized by a paradoxical coincidence of absolute profanation and absolute consecration.The familiar process of ‘all that is solid melting into air’, of the liquidation of traditions, identities and forms of life under the aegis of the absolutization of exchange value evidently marks the moment of a thoroughgoing profanation of all things sacred. Yet, this profanation is immediately recuperated by a correlate gesture of the absolute re-sacralization of every object in the form of the commodity. For Agamben, consumption, the separate sphere to which all objects are consigned as commodities, marks an absolute impossibility of free use, insofar as to be consumed the object must first be possessed as property. In contrast, ‘use is always a relationship with some thing that cannot be appropriated; it refers to things insofar as they cannot become objects of possession’ (Agamben, 2007b: 89). In the contemporary phase of capitalism, characterized by the eclipse of both use and exchange value by ‘exhibition value’ (Benjamin, 1969: 225; Agamben, 2007b: 90), the capitalist dream’ of producing something ‘absolutely unprofanable’ is ful¢lled in the consecration of the profaned objects themselves, that is, of pure means that have already been divested of all canonical use.

If the apparatuses of the capitalist cult are so effective, it is not so much because they act on primary behaviors but because they act on pure means, that is, on behaviors that have been separated from themselves and thus detached from any relationship to an end. In its extreme phase, capitalism is nothing but a gigantic apparatus for capturing pure means, that is, profanatory behaviours. Pure means, which represent the deactivation and rupture of all separation, are in turn separated into a special sphere. (Agamben, 2007b: 88^9)



The best example of the capture of pure means in the society of the spectacle is language as a pure means of signification as opposed to any signified content. In contrast to various historical forms of the authoritarian control of language as an instrument for ideological indoctrination, contemporary capitalism ‘assails in its idling, that is, in its possible profanatory potential, preventing language from disclosing the possibility of a new use, a new experience of the word’ (Agamben, 2007b: 88). In this manner, spectacular capitalism does not simply profane the sacred or sacralize the profane but rather neutralizes that which it itself has profaned, withdrawing it from any possible use and thus fortifying the reign of nihilism, in which the dissolution of traditional forms of life does not lead to creative experimentation with their residue but leaves humanity suspended in the sheer negativity it reveals: ‘The pure means, suspended and exhibited in the sphere of the media, shows its own emptiness, speaks only its own nothingness, as if no new use were possible’ (Agamben, 2007b: 88.)

It is this neutralization of the profanatory potential that is exemplified most starkly by pornography. In his brief history of the pornographic genre Agamben notes the tendency towards the transformation of the sexual acts of the models into pure means or ‘gestures’ that no longer communicate anything but the sheer potentiality of communication (Agamben, 1999a: 77^87, 2000: 49^60). As the models in pornographic images increasingly demonstrate to the spectator their awareness of his or her gaze, their own expressions become ever more brazenly indi¡erent, ‘showing nothing but the showing itself (that is, one’s absolute mediality)’ (Agamben, 2007b: 90). It is precisely this profane mediality that is recuperated by the apparatus of pornography in a representation that may be consumed in masturbatory activity but never brought to use as such.

What it captures is the human capacity to let erotic behaviours idle, to profane them, by detaching them from their immediate ends. But while these behaviours thus open themselves to a different possible use, which concerns not so much the pleasure of the partner as a new collective use of sexuality, pornography intervenes at this point to block and divert the profanatory intention. The solitary and desperate consumption of the pornographic image thus replaces the promise of a new use. (Agamben, 2007b: 91)



(Prozorov, Pornography and Profanation in the Political Philosophy of Giorgio Agamben)

#23

To appropriate the historic transformations of human nature that capitalism wants to limit to the spectacle, to link together image and body in a space where they can no longer be separated, and thus to forge the whatever body, this is the good that humanity must learn how to wrest from commodities in their decline. Advertising and pornography, which escort the commodity to the grave like hired mourners, are the unknowing midwives of this new body of humanity. (Agamben, 1993b: 50)

#24
just so you know bf is actually an rss feed
#25
EMPHASIS ON THE FEED...

haw haw haw haw haw
#26

babyfinland posted:

EMPHASIS ON THE FEED...

haw haw haw haw haw


much like your posting

#27
Oh cool, another thread about masturbation habits.
#28
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#29
i went looking for some dorothy day today but i couldn't find any in the bookstores here.
#30
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#31

eggplants posted:

"your little typology posts are really good and original, i enjoyed readin em!! good luck, you should keep writing them" - message Imppersent me yesterday on Tumblr where I have a different name and a cheesy picture of myself hahaha

your posts on that is not the post U have in the op, which is bad & dumb

#32

Impper posted:

eggplants posted:

"your little typology posts are really good and original, i enjoyed readin em!! good luck, you should keep writing them" - message Imppersent me yesterday on Tumblr where I have a different name and a cheesy picture of myself hahaha

your posts on that is not the post U have in the op, which is bad & dumb



whats wrong with it

#33

jools posted:

Impper posted:

eggplants posted:

"your little typology posts are really good and original, i enjoyed readin em!! good luck, you should keep writing them" - message Imppersent me yesterday on Tumblr where I have a different name and a cheesy picture of myself hahaha

your posts on that is not the post U have in the op, which is bad & dumb

whats wrong with it



its gAy

#34
it reads like a gay undergraduate essay responding to a prompt, contextless subjects and giant unfathomable leaps (but not in a good way), or alternately it reads as a post in response to something that actually exists. the progression of words does not make sense nor does the comparison of higher education to porn. the entire essay is a non sequitur filled with Big Gay Words like truth discipline love objectification intuition violence pleasure
#35
(education) predicating pleasure on the exploitation of ideas makes some amount of sense but it does Not Follow At All that this arises fear of thought of god. you could easily argue the opposite but it doesnt matter because its a gaey wild claim in the first place
#36
also discipline likes it which automatically makes me distrust
#37

eggplants posted:

the same way that porn ruins us for emotional fidelity, higher education ruins us for truth. the joyful manipulation of ideas (the study of the humanities) debases truth in terms of pleasure, as though exotic rhetoric were a sustaining alternative to discipline and love. ideas no longer demand intellectual commitment, let alone action in the world; to think seriously about something is only to play with and profane it. from this, the fear of thoughts of God.



like i think this is really sharp, everything ive encountered of supposedly radical academics indicates that you will at best be laughed at for having the temerity to apply theories and ideas to situations relevant to you rather than to some remote situation. why are barely any people studying patterns of underdevelopment and urban architectures of control or whatever in the countries that they themselves are working in. it's always, "why not look at this third world city", or "hey this ngo in ramallah would be really interested in this" and so on.

additionally with regard to the discipline, if you attempt to create an actually coherent analysis that clearly indicates some kind of course of action then you are writing too narrowly without considering all the possibilities. and of course there's the slavishness to academic trends as we have now, where people who are far better educated than i and should know better are going on about finance and debt still like some petit-bourgeois german in the 1930s.

look at the soi-disant leaders of occupy. the rash of radical blogs and journals that have sprung up over the past year. this obviously indicates a change in the air, that this stuff is acceptable to talk about now, but for too long these people have been fed on a diet of theoretical pornography, seduced by melodramatic italians with anarcho-wildean turns of phrase. you get stuff happening like malcolm harris of the new inquiry trying to charge 5000 dollars through a public speaker agency to some local occupy group, then defending this by claiming the agency wouldn't let him charge less. the agent representing him happens to be the founder of the new inquiry.

these people aren't serious, they are playing roles that have been opened up by this ill-defined status quo change because they really want consultancies or book deals or whatever. it's disgusting and degenerate, and we honestly need some kind of auto-da-fe.

#38

Impper posted:

also discipline likes it which automatically makes me distrust


is it because she makes you feel bad about your life lol

#39
its not that surprising that the forums two biggest dilettantes hate this though Lol
#40

jools posted:

Impper posted:

also discipline likes it which automatically makes me distrust

is it because she makes you feel bad about your life lol

no, not at all lmao