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Ken Taylor helps write new ending to Ben Affleck's Argo
Critics say film underplayed Canada's role in getting American hostages out of Iran in 1979

There's a new ending to the movie Argo, which tells the story of how Canada helped Americans escape from Iran during the 1979 hostage crisis.

After the film was screened at the Toronto International Film Festival, friends and supporters of former ambassador Ken Taylor expressed dismay that Argo had minimized the Canadian role.

In response, director Ben Affleck picked up the phone to speak to Taylor and asked how to make things right.

As a result there’s a new postscript to the film, drafted by Taylor himself.

Ken Taylor is shown in 1979 when he was Canadian ambassador to Iran and helped six Americans escape after they were held hostage. (Peter Bregg/Canadian Press)
It reads: "The involvement of the CIA complemented efforts of the Canadian Embassy to free the six held in Tehran. To this day the story stands as an enduring model of international co-operation between governments."

At the world premiere for Argo in Toronto, Affleck said at red carpet interviews that his film was about “our gratitude about how the Canadians helped us escape, get our people out of Tehran.”

But when audiences got their first glimpse, what they saw was American CIA agent Tony Mendez as the hero. The film ended with a postscript that implied Canadians took credit for the rescue before the CIA's role was revealed.

Maclean’s film reviewer Brian D. Johnson was among the viewers who saw that as a “massive insult.”

“When Hollywood stumbles in with this well-intentioned piece of entertainment based on a true story and they trample on a legend like Ken Taylor and they launch it at the Toronto International Film Festival, and they're completely blindsided by the response,” he said. “What do they think? That nobody's going to notice?”

Taylor himself wasn't invited to the premiere, but soon heard from friends how his role was minimized.

Then he heard by telephone from Affleck, who said he’d heard there were “some issues” with the movie.

Taylor was flown to Hollywood where he finally saw Argo, with actor Victor Garber playing the role of the Canadian ambassador.

“ always like to see yourself as a mini superman. In this case, I think Canada’s role was underplayed. It was more passive than assertive,” Taylor said.

With reshoots out of the question, Affleck agreed to change the postscript. The new version, drafted by Taylor, stresses the CIA "complemented" Canadian efforts.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2012/09/19/argo-changes.html

I was also really worried this film would portray Iranians Canadians in a negative light. But we fixed it, eh?

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as a canadian, i am the gayest gayfer in the whole gay galaxy.
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im proud not to b a canadian, much like half the people in toronto
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im proud to be gay much like all the people in alberta
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obviously i'm the gayest canadian, and it's not a bad movie but it's definitely not a good one!
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hey posted:

im proud to be gay much like the person in alberta

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this goes out to all the canadians on the forum: if you want to fight, we can fight, and i will destroy you
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this goes out to all the canadians on the forum: will you please marry me so i can move to toronto?
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why would you want to move to toronto? it's pretty much like new york except without any of the stuff
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if you want to move to montreal i could marry you, provided that we love each other sincerely.
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toronto owns if you are a dour anglo and you like walking around downtown quickly frowning a lot
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ya its tite
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i would move to montreal because its a better city but i despise the brutish joual "language"


shennong posted:

toronto owns if you are a dour anglo and you like walking around downtown quickly frowning a lot



ya actually exactly this except replace walking with 'riding'

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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

i would move to montreal because its a better city but i despise the brutish joual "language"



are you that charmless and socially unskilled that quebecers will ostracize you for not speaking french

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hmmm everyone here complains about jobs but nobody wants to move to alberta. funny how leftists work eh?
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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

ya actually exactly this except replace walking with 'riding'



they're putting in separated bike lanes on a couple streets right now altho i dunno how i feel about them yet

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shennong posted:

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

ya actually exactly this except replace walking with 'riding'

they're putting in separated bike lanes on a couple streets right now altho i dunno how i feel about them yet

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54721215-78/bike-lanes-lane-lake.html.csp

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stegosaurus posted:

shennong posted:

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

ya actually exactly this except replace walking with 'riding'

they're putting in separated bike lanes on a couple streets right now altho i dunno how i feel about them yet

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54721215-78/bike-lanes-lane-lake.html.csp



the ones they're putting in here are elevated, next to the sidewalk, with a curb



i think im still gonna end up in the street to turn left and pass slowpokes tho, and its pretty much guaranteed that they'll be full of drunk/dopey pedestrians so im not sure how much i'll be using them

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bike lanes suck. when im in toronto i just ride my bike down the street on a single rail from a streetcar track
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my experience is a lot different so far in my new neighbourhood because it is very francophone. for example, my last neighbourhood voted 85% "no" in 1995 on quebec independence, while my new neighbourhood voted 63% "yes". i like it though, it will force me to integrate more.
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shennong posted:

stegosaurus posted:

shennong posted:

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

ya actually exactly this except replace walking with 'riding'

they're putting in separated bike lanes on a couple streets right now altho i dunno how i feel about them yet

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54721215-78/bike-lanes-lane-lake.html.csp

the ones they're putting in here are elevated, next to the sidewalk, with a curb



i think im still gonna end up in the street to turn left and pass slowpokes tho, and its pretty much guaranteed that they'll be full of drunk/dopey pedestrians so im not sure how much i'll be using them

thats even worse. the ones here basically shield you from traffic until you reach an intersection where the left turn lane becomes the bike lane and the bike lane switches over to the middle of the lane. I ride in the bike lane if there's nobody there but typically there is and they're in the middle of the lane going 9mph so I just go in the street

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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

bike lanes suck. when im in toronto i just ride my bike down the street on a single rail from a streetcar track



lol RIP

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madison is nothing but bike lanes. there are no cars or even humans just sentient bikes that drink microbrews and complain about the governor
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bike lanes work ok here, but drivers turning right assume they can always turn right and run the bikers over and kill them. a lot of bikers will have to die but eventually drivers will get used to it and look before turning right.

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/1031/bike-death-was-a-right-hook-cyclist-broke-no-laws/
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How do you Canadians feel now that your oil sands are completely destroying the country, the same way that north sea oil destroyed the UK
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littlegreenpills posted:

why would you want to move to toronto? it's pretty much like new york except without any of the stuff



the anthro-middle east studies people at the university of toronto

talal asad

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Myfanwy posted:

How do you Canadians feel now that your oil sands are completely destroying the country, the same way that north sea oil destroyed the UK


i dont think it took a little bit of itty bitty oil to destroy the uk. im pretty sure the uk was fucked before man could even create fire

and to your question... it feels good man

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hey posted:

Myfanwy posted:

How do you Canadians feel now that your oil sands are completely destroying the country, the same way that north sea oil destroyed the UK

i dont think it took a little bit of itty bitty oil to destroy the uk. im pretty sure the uk was fucked before man could even create fire

and to your question... it feels good man


To be clear I didn't mean the end of empire, I meant the oil money fueling the conservative machine that forcibly deindustrialized, then dismantled the social safety net.
The tar oil in canada is doing the same thing; the only way to stop it is to nationalize that dirty oil

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Myfanwy posted:

hey posted:

Myfanwy posted:

How do you Canadians feel now that your oil sands are completely destroying the country, the same way that north sea oil destroyed the UK

i dont think it took a little bit of itty bitty oil to destroy the uk. im pretty sure the uk was fucked before man could even create fire

and to your question... it feels good man

To be clear I didn't mean the end of empire, I meant the oil money fueling the conservative machine that forcibly deindustrialized, then dismantled the social safety net.
The tar oil in canada is doing the same thing; the only way to stop it is to nationalize that dirty oil



we're selling it to the chinese lmao

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shennong posted:

Myfanwy posted:

hey posted:

Myfanwy posted:

How do you Canadians feel now that your oil sands are completely destroying the country, the same way that north sea oil destroyed the UK

i dont think it took a little bit of itty bitty oil to destroy the uk. im pretty sure the uk was fucked before man could even create fire

and to your question... it feels good man

To be clear I didn't mean the end of empire, I meant the oil money fueling the conservative machine that forcibly deindustrialized, then dismantled the social safety net.
The tar oil in canada is doing the same thing; the only way to stop it is to nationalize that dirty oil

we're selling it to the chinese lmao

hahah cool
I guess I should be clear, it was north sea oil + the new liquid market in junk bonds and all of the financial stuff that entailed. But the oil was necessary

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the social safety net was largely dismantled in the mid-1990s. or at least welfare incomes were like $1,000 a month back then (in today's dollars) and they are $600 a month now, plus there was a lot more social housing and stuff like that. (canada's a bit different than the US in that we don't have a widespread food stamp or housing voucher program, just mostly small cash payments). that wasn't because of oil (which was sort of isolated because it was part of the opposition coalition) but more because of that first real wave of deficit-fighting like clinton's first term. like in ontario unemployment was so bad at one point that one million people were on welfare out of a population of like 10 million and people flipped out at them. it was brutal what they did.
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hey getfiscal what is your take on the desmarais family as a nexus or interface between canadian govt and CCP interests
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i don't know anything about rich families in canada. in quebec it is a big deal. like if you go to the store you'll see a bunch of books about rich families, somewhat more than in toronto at least. in a connected way there is a lot of talk now about corruption and crime. it's estimated that huge amounts of public infrastructure money flows through corrupt unions to the mafia. the mafia and gangs are also seen to control or protect a lot of small businesses in the east end of montreal.
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getfiscal posted:

the social safety net was largely dismantled in the mid-1990s. or at least welfare incomes were like $1,000 a month back then (in today's dollars) and they are $600 a month now, plus there was a lot more social housing and stuff like that. (canada's a bit different than the US in that we don't have a widespread food stamp or housing voucher program, just mostly small cash payments). that wasn't because of oil (which was sort of isolated because it was part of the opposition coalition) but more because of that first real wave of deficit-fighting like clinton's first term. like in ontario unemployment was so bad at one point that one million people were on welfare out of a population of like 10 million and people flipped out at them. it was brutal what they did.



Oh i guess I'm totally wrong. It was Free trade Nafta neoliberalism and not the black gold, also called texas tea. I'm sorry everyone

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Myfanwy posted:

Oh i guess I'm totally wrong. It was Free trade Nafta neoliberalism and not the black gold, also called texas tea. I'm sorry everyone

you're actually completely right but more in how it is restructuring the economy back around resource extraction, and it isn't just oil. in saskatchewan there is now a huge potash industry, across canada there has been a mining boom, newfoundland has offshore gas drilling wealth now, there is a huge push to move into canada's north (especially in quebec). there's also stuff like water rights / extraction, forestry, electricity exports, etc.

people often refer to this in canada as being part of the biblical curse: "you shall never cease being slaves, both hewers of wood and drawers of water for the house of my God."

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getfiscal posted:

i don't know anything about rich families in canada. in quebec it is a big deal. like if you go to the store you'll see a bunch of books about rich families, somewhat more than in toronto at least. in a connected way there is a lot of talk now about corruption and crime. it's estimated that huge amounts of public infrastructure money flows through corrupt unions to the mafia. the mafia and gangs are also seen to control or protect a lot of small businesses in the east end of montreal.



i really appreciate how basically every single person in montreal was an encyclopedia of corruption. i had some awesome conversations with cab drivers about it, they will tell you who owns basically everything, everywhere, and why, if you indulge them for a sec in french

it just gave me this really impressive feeling of real political awareness. class consciousness you might even say

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I appreciate how
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xW4xdd7KLcw