your problem is you see this intellectual firmament and think "i want a part of that". it's not marxism.
Superabound posted:baby huey how do you not realize that youve denouncing "empirical" science for its perceived ideological bent, while simultaneously championing the overt ideological bending of flawed, junk science in order to fit political needs?
no no, you dont understand, ideology was abolished in the ussr in 1917
babyhueypnewton posted:I don't know why my earnest posting pisses so many people off here, but you all made the mistake of voting me mod, so i would suggest this be the end of the argument.
lol noice job proving every single criticism about why you should never put actual communists in power 100% correct. now whos discrediting marxism
jools was smart enough to not quote that and nothing is going to happen to him, as I'll let him have the last word. you are not
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babyhueypnewton posted:i actually dont mind wittgenstein, he's the best of the analytic philosophers, and since they're all saying the same thing there's really no reason to read anything beyond him. but he's still an analytic philosopher which is not real philosophy as Marx defined it in the theses on feuerbach
are you fucking insane
babyhueypnewton posted:jools posted:
i mean it sounds more like youre railing against the ideological limits of reality than anything else duder
this is basically what I'm saying. you believe in some objective reality outside ideology and the class struggle. not only that, you believe that it is accessible through some perfect method (the scientific method) which is also outside ideology and the class struggle. you may think philosophy is unimportant, but this right here illustrates why it is so very important. 'pure scientists' and trotskyists have always in reality ended up on the side of the bourgeoisie, and your attempts to 'objectively' (unlike those subjective idiots in actually-existing socialist countries) look at the world has time and again become a condemnation of socialism and a defense of the bourgeoisie. many critiques of capitalism are allowed, but the final critique, which is a defense of socialism, is never allowed. your attitude of 'a pox on both houses' is always welcome.
daddyholes posted:i don't really understand the purpose of defending Lysenko-Michurinism nowadays beyond noting the secondary benefits of Lysenko's actual program and then attacking the propaganda ideas of "totalitarianism" and "cult of personality" that underlie the critique of "Lysenkoism" as commonly understood in the West; it's not like scientists can't be wrong
yes, well, that would be far too sensible
daddyholes posted:socialism as it actually exists in agriculture is http://www.socbio.sld.cu/
agricultural socialism was perfected by ants, anything humans try to do in the same vein is a cruel joke and a laughable mockery.
prohairesis posted:ants have slave societies
'slaves' lol, once again humans feel the need to define everything else according to their own values, history and pathologies. I bet you think sharks are evil because of the menacing, low music that seems to accompany them everywhere.
'Slave' can mean anything. Wahabists think we are slaves to materialism, we think they are slaves to an archaic God, Reagan thought everyone in the USSR was a slave, you think ants are slaves for carrying shit around all day, they probably think you're a slave for being stuck indoors on computers instead of spending time outside like them.
basically, don't use subjective anthrocentric language to dismiss the successes of ant-socialism
jools posted:do you ever have ant slave uprisings then
yes i guess http://www.livescience.com/23477-slave-ants-rebel-against-oppressors.html
Enslaved ants launch lethal rebellions against their oppressors, tearing apart the offspring of their masters, new research shows.
Protomognathus americanus, an American species of slavemaker ant, raids the nests of a neighboring ant species (Temnothorax longispinosus), killing the adult ants and running off with the young. Back at the nests of their oppressors, the enslaved ants are forced to bring the masters food, defend their nest and care for their larvae.
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Agnus_Dei posted:
this destroys
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
littlegreenpills posted:the only slave in any society is the queen whose basically gets reduced to an immobile ovipositor by proxy, living on whatever paltry handouts her selfish offspring bring her because they're too good to raise their own
and there's the anthropological wisdom "gifts make slaves"
jools posted:what do you mean? id have thought it was a matter of proportion of searches within each country
that's what i thought at first, but then i started doubting it when so many graphs came up with US dark blue, canada slightly lighter, uk about the same, everywhere else pale nothing. also the fact that a lot of the most popular terms are increasing over time. but now that i look closer i guess they are doing it the right way
so i thought searches for "porn" were increasing just because of more people searching, but if they are properly based on proportion of searches... what is going on
Ironicwarcriminal posted:'slaves' lol, once again humans feel the need to define everything else according to their own values, history and pathologies. I bet you think sharks are evil because of the menacing, low music that seems to accompany them everywhere.
sharks actually kill around a dozen Australians each year, making them a valuable part of the global ecology
