babyhueypnewton posted:

you were basically calling marxism a cover for being a loser which is ironic coming from you. guess there are only a few people left who even read your posts though so it went unnoticed

what? i was not calling marxism a cover for being a loser, where the hell did you get that from, it's totally misreading my post. I was saying that one of the things promised by capitalism is the ability to transcend your "loser status" by buying cars, clothes, breathmints, axe body spray, etc. etc.

obviously these promises are generally ridiculous fibs peddled by charlatans, but this issue of transcendence goes back to what getfiscal said

It sees history from within history, rather than trying to transcend it

that's all well and good, and i do believe marxism is the most useful and serious mechanism by which to study history and the world, i just don't believe most people are interested or engaged by such rationalism. Which is maybe missing the point of the OP or being belligerent but it's still an issue; this ongoing, perpetual desire and compulsion of the human race to seek answers and comfort in myth, legend and superstition

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

you were basically calling marxism a cover for being a loser which is ironic coming from you. guess there are only a few people left who even read your posts though so it went unnoticed

what? i was not calling marxism a cover for being a loser, where the hell did you get that from, it's totally misreading my post. I was saying that one of the things promised by capitalism is the ability to transcend your "loser status" by buying cars, clothes, breathmints, axe body spray, etc. etc.

obviously these promises are generally ridiculous fibs peddled by charlatans, but this issue of transcendence goes back to what getfiscal said

It sees history from within history, rather than trying to transcend it

that's all well and good, and i do believe marxism is the most useful and serious mechanism by which to study history and the world, i just don't believe most people are interested or engaged by such rationalism. Which is maybe missing the point of the OP or being belligerent but it's still an issue; this ongoing, perpetual desire and compulsion of the human race to seek answers and comfort in myth, legend and superstition

here I'll save Crow the trouble. stop projecting you're own insecurity onto others. your own brain disease is obvious to everyone, especially since you've never actually made an effort to understand marxism yet constantly post in threads about it. the only one you can speak on not being interested in logic or knowledge is yourself, and I pity that.

babyhueypnewton posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

you were basically calling marxism a cover for being a loser which is ironic coming from you. guess there are only a few people left who even read your posts though so it went unnoticed

what? i was not calling marxism a cover for being a loser, where the hell did you get that from, it's totally misreading my post. I was saying that one of the things promised by capitalism is the ability to transcend your "loser status" by buying cars, clothes, breathmints, axe body spray, etc. etc.

obviously these promises are generally ridiculous fibs peddled by charlatans, but this issue of transcendence goes back to what getfiscal said

It sees history from within history, rather than trying to transcend it



that's all well and good, and i do believe marxism is the most useful and serious mechanism by which to study history and the world, i just don't believe most people are interested or engaged by such rationalism. Which is maybe missing the point of the OP or being belligerent but it's still an issue; this ongoing, perpetual desire and compulsion of the human race to seek answers and comfort in myth, legend and superstition



here I'll save Crow the trouble. stop projecting you're own insecurity onto others. your own brain disease is obvious to everyone, especially since you've never actually made an effort to understand marxism yet constantly post in threads about it. the only one you can speak on not being interested in logic or knowledge is yourself, and I pity that.

I know and i'm aware of this criticism but like i said, i broadly believe in marxist analysis. I'm not an expert no but right now for instance i'm reading Harvey's Spaces of Capital and as someone with an interest in geography, a marxist analysis proves much more thorough and complete than other approaches i've read. I respect the ideas that Marxism has birthed very much.

but as Crow in another thread said yesterday, "it's very hard for humans to communicate complex ideas to each other", this is why i see a world that clings tenaciously to beliefs and ideologies that are deeply flawed. Sorry if this makes me a Last Man or a liberal cynic or whatever

babyhueypnewton posted:

you've created some trans-historical man, and then projected your own insecurities onto him.

more transphobia on the rhiz get a life guys they're just people

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

but as Crow in another thread said yesterday, "it's very hard for humans to communicate complex ideas to each other", this is why i see a world that clings tenaciously to beliefs and ideologies that are deeply flawed. Sorry if this makes me a Last Man or a liberal cynic or whatever

this is why I think essentially socialism is a problem of human communication, or put another way, once communicated to a person in a way that truly lets them understand it fully, no one chooses Not Socialism - its inevitability requires only the clear transmission of the ideas. but that communication is, like you say, nowhere near inevitable itself.

it sounds really fluffy and new agey but I really passionately believe in the critical importance of interpersonal communication, we are increasingly worse as a society at sharing complex notions, but increasingly better at encouraging base impulses through marketing and pr

if I were to go back to school I would almost certainly get a BA in whatever lets me read and write about this, it's almost embarrassingly a big deal to me. pretty much all of my academic interests are tied to it somehow

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

yeah plenty of people choose not socialism for a variety of legitimate reasons. For instance they might be religious and the ethical values of socialism run counter to their beliefs

noice

deadken posted:

consider a dude. he has a well-tailored suit, a high-paying job, straight white teeth, a loving family, a wide social circle, an attractive partner. he drinks in moderation, doesn't spend too much time on the internet, he is happy and loves his life. what are the chances that this guy is a marxist lol

suits are gay, jobs are gay, teeth are gay, families are gay, friends are gay, attractive partners are REALLY gay. drinking in moderation is also extremely gay

posting is gay too

Edited by jools (Dec. 25, 2012 17:59:52)

deadken posted:

consider a dude. he has a well-tailored suit, a high-paying job, straight white teeth, a loving family, a wide social circle, an attractive partner. he drinks in moderation, doesn't spend too much time on the internet, he is happy and loves his life. what are the chances that this guy is a marxist lol

with a few small kinks thats me, hi