#81

camera_obscura posted:
if reactionaries are such good writers how do you explain this post



with great ease

bam!

#82
i was talking about my post (it's recursive!)
#83
i can't stand the shame you have put me to

i will write 40 books then commit seppuku
#84
don't forget to dwell for uncomfortably long periods on how close you feel to your brothers-in-arms
#85
mishima attended a communist conference in tokyo university and basically agreed with everything they said except for the point of the emperor (he said something like "we can touch eachother but we cannot kiss"). karatani argued that his suicide was not really some kind of serious rightism but meant as an attempt to close an era of "different modernity" (as in, modernity without its contradictions, drawing upon the past) that eventually led to fascism, conceived by militarists and a section of leftists during the taishou period. i forgot the details of that argument but it's somewhere in "history and repetition". also don't forget that the actual targets of the revolutionaries in mishima are zaibatsu guys and other capitalists.

mishima writes beautifully and stirs you up because his similes are really something else and because he has such a great way of combining the everyday with the uncanny. he was definitely ideologically confused (in part because he saw the then-existing Japanese left as inadequate) but you can use the things he and other reactionary writers wrote and twist them to our ends. unless that tingly feeling you get from reading great books should in itself be rejected.
#86

MindMaster posted:

his similes are really something else

#87
counterpoint: they all suck
#88
reactionaries are good writers because their opinions are god awful but they're willing to die/commit suicide for their beliefs. Their terminus, which they foretell, is the very aspect of their character which we admire. I mean shit. You think Sex and Character was written by an emotionally or philosophically sound person?
#89
because all the writing gigs that pay well are things with working titles such as

"fuck them poors"
"why the rich are awesome"
"the root of alpha in society"
"marketing for success"
"rich dad poor dad"

of course i say this with no real definition of reactionary but im thinking "supporting wealth, power, and status quo; against change"
#90

wasted posted:

reactionaries are good writers because their opinions are god awful but they're willing to die/commit suicide for their beliefs. Their terminus, which they foretell, is the very aspect of their character which we admire. I mean shit. You think Sex and Character was written by an emotionally or philosophically sound person?


It's not enough to be miserable, the same misery should be spread to others.

#91

swampman posted:

MindMaster posted:

his similes are really something else



ahahahaha... sorry. my posts are something else too

#92
"Kill me" - Anonymous woman in Duke Nukem 3D
#93
looks like LF was a couple years ahead of the nyrb: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/jan/23/changing-our-stories/?insrc=hpbl

Let me toss out a provocation, not for the sake of stirring the water, but because I have begun to suspect it is true: most of our finest narratives, films as well as novels, however formally innovative and politically anti-establishment, are actually conservative, even inhibiting, in their consequences and implications.

#94
yeah duh and i think that's because no matter what they may say most people value stability over all other things
#95
mmmmhm
#96
because reactionaries are more concerned with individuals and individuals are a more relatable way to tell stories than grand abstract ideas
#97
thought Tsargon came back here but hope, it's just thread necromancy
#98

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

because reactionaries are more concerned with individuals and individuals are a more relatable way to tell stories than grand abstract ideas



would a fiction Work if it had like 100 main characters who were interrelated by large abstract concepts but no IRL connection between them and they only had like a chapter each

#99
What about socialist writers who became reactionaries like James T. Farell and John Dos Passos?
#100

littlegreenpills posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
because reactionaries are more concerned with individuals and individuals are a more relatable way to tell stories than grand abstract ideas


would a fiction Work if it had like 100 main characters who were interrelated by large abstract concepts but no IRL connection between them and they only had like a chapter each



You're more or less describing Life, a User's Manual

#101
i found a fascist version of the 'zzone. check out their kalashnikov thread. apologies to both the rhizzone and marxism for the imminent exodus this link will ignite
#102

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The Black Corps is a Brotherhood - the actions of any single member reflect on all of its members. Stand together as Brothers and protect each other from falling from grace.

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Iron March is not a movement, but we expect users to share our purpose – to take an active interest in using the community, and when contributing to do so as fascists in ultimate pursuit of knowledge, ideas, contacts, etcetera. Those who are not constructive and threaten this are in the wrong place and unwelcome. We recognise there is a widespread character issue in movement politics, and we start here to address some of those problems here. The following rules are to be observed by all members and handled quickly and diplomatically where possible.

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1.2 - Fashion Fascism. Fascism isn’t a fetish – if you regularly treat it as such your motivations will be questioned as ulterior. If you reflect your political ‘identity’ in things like science fiction, occult, or anything else found in Television, Video games, hobbies, sub-cultures etc, it tells us that you are unable to distinguish between the two.

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not seeing the difference tbh

#103

IronMarch Forum Charter

I. Adminship

The official Regime of the Iron March forum is called the Adminship - the rule of the Admins, who are the supreme authority on all matters related to maintaining the forum, disciplinary actions and enforcing the values of our common ideological direction.

The official symbol of this regime and the Iron March forum is the Machina Hierarchia - Hierarchy Machine (cog and hands) - it symbolizes the organic unity that exists in a proper hierarchy, making it work as smoothly and efficiently as a machine.

II. Black Corps

By the will of the Adminship, the Black Corps are an Order of Knights of the Iron March forum - the most trusted and true who embody both the values that are at the foundation of this community and of the values of their ideology. The Black Corps are entrusted with maintaining order on the forum and given Moderator status so that they may act to the best of their abilities. To become a member of the Black Corps is a great honor and an even greater responsibility, as that person becomes a living visage of those values. To fall from such grace would bring shame to our community, the Black Corps itself and to the fallen member.

The Black Corps is a Brotherhood - the actions of any single member reflect on all of its members. Stand together as Brothers and protect each other from falling from grace.

The Black Corps is an Order - it embodies the values of our community and must both serve as an example and inspiration to others. Act as older brothers to the younger comrades of our community and guide them - help them integrate and steer them away from breaking our rules and values, least they face the wrath of the Adminship.

You are the Knights of an Order, the keepers of discipline and defenders of our values. You are the Black Corps. Serve with Honor.

III. Community

Iron March is not a movement, but we expect users to share our purpose – to take an active interest in using the community, and when contributing to do so as fascists in ultimate pursuit of knowledge, ideas, contacts, etcetera. Those who are not constructive and threaten this are in the wrong place and unwelcome. We recognise there is a widespread character issue in movement politics, and we start here to address some of those problems here. The following rules are to be observed by all members and handled quickly and diplomatically where possible.

1. No ‘Sperging’. As in ‘Asperger’s syndrome’, an Autistic mental disorder characterized by extreme egocentricity and an inability to understand how to interact socially. This policy is to curtail and recognise the tendencies of users whose actions and motivations are outside our common goals, are deliberately of no benefit to anyone, and only serve to cause trouble. Regardless of whether it is motivated by narcissism, social alienation, cowardice, or stupidity we must control it, and it is the user’s responsibility to observe these following principles which will serve as a guide to ensure there will be no problems for you while you are here.

1.1 - Role-playing. The tendency to portray personal views in the third person with no clear relation to the real world constitutes a form of role-playing. Another form of role-playing is found in arrogance; insisting on special treatment or to be regarded as a separate tier, in contradiction to the fact it is usually marked by an absence of; personal effort, courage, commitment, consistency, positions that will attract negative response, interest in people, etc - by coincidence. If you are a fake you will be recognised and publicly called out.

1.2 - Fashion Fascism. Fascism isn’t a fetish – if you regularly treat it as such your motivations will be questioned as ulterior. If you reflect your political ‘identity’ in things like science fiction, occult, or anything else found in Television, Video games, hobbies, sub-cultures etc, it tells us that you are unable to distinguish between the two.

1.3 - Shitposting. Making shit posts; this happens when a post is devoid of content or context, eg randomly responding with a reaction image. If you have nothing else to contribute you have no right to be engaging in this.

1.4 - Constructive debate. The goal of debate is the pursuit of truth therefore you should take care about what you are saying and care about opposing arguments and should assume it is the same for your opponent – so where relevant you should be capable of providing sources to back up an opinion - this is an argument. Ignoring responses while continuing to argue shows you have no investment in the discussion and also, that you have nothing to offer or contribute.

1.5 - Conduct. It is your responsibility to judge group relations and know what not to post and where things should be posted. When you can participate in a forum drama, promote yourself, become insolent towards members, etc, is something only you can judge.

If these are not monitored by the user and kept in check it may result in messages of warning from moderators.

2. This is not Stormfront. Our community is based on discussion and debate constructive towards fascist goals, it is not a hangout for White Nationalists and their unique subculture. Stormfront and VNN forums already provide this in terms of its endless topics on conspiracy theories, chimpouts, Zionism, etcetera. Exclusively posting remarks and threads of that nature without proper context is a form of spamming. If you want to debate legitimate issues specifically from (for example) a white nationalist perspective we suggest you limit it to the Opposing Views section of our forum. The same applies also for other ideologies that are not related to Fascism and oppose the Modern World.

3. Tolerance. We are not a pious brotherhood, we understand this is just a forum and we accept people with strong viewpoints. Those who take themselves too seriously yet refuse to debate become paranoid, patronising, passive aggressive and can become the source of drama. Users of non straight-white-male-fascist backgrounds also need to be conscious of their differences and check their privilege at the door. If you have allowed yourself to become aggravated through your own fault we will not side with you and you may be held responsible.

4. Sophian Language. You are expected to use this website with intelligence, knowing not what to write and to read between the lines. Nobody is likely to monitor the website or trawl through your messages, but by posting here you need to personally be prepared it might be read in a court, quoted on in a newspaper, or read to your weeping mother – and hold yourself to account. Don't ask us to delete all your posts because you have "changed your mind.", or even attempt to alter them yourself. Remember you public posts are cached by search engines or may be recorded by others.

5. Untermenschen. Just being you can result in an immediate ban, and we will take immediate and permanent action if it is ever found out the following applies to you.

5.1 - We do not allow or entertain the mentally ill to the extent they cannot understand fascism, (for instance those who do genuinely suffer from Autism) and it is our responsibility to direct them away from this place because they should not be here.

5.2 - Expression of interest in Paedophilia (Including any similar inclinations towards the under-aged) will result immediate ban, and even the slightest hint will be treated seriously.

5.3 - Simply put, we reserve the right to ban you if you are any kind of faggot. If you feel the need to tell the world then you will bring the consequences on yourself just as hard. Belonging to the furry fandom is prohibited, partly because it also involves a breach of 1.1 and 1.2, but mostly because it is utterly degenerative (it deserves note here because it will apply even if explicitly sexual grounds cannot be ascertained).

Failure to comply may result in internment, when a member's activity on the forum is restricted to the Opposing Views section. These members will be marked as Prisoners.

IV. Forum Activities

The Iron March provides it's users with a number of forum activities that help us develop as a forum, an information center and a community for like-minded people. Any user can officially sign up for any such activity and become an active contributor. Simply follow the rules of each such activity and you will find yourself occupied with interesting projects that will help you develop your skills or further your knowledge.

V. Discipline

We expect every user to follow the rules set forth by the Adminship.

1. Our community is interested in active members, not lurkers. All accounts that have zero posts for a week after registry on the forum will be deleted.

2. Before creating a new topic make sure that a similar one doesn't already exist and be sure to post topics in the appropriate sections of the Iron March forum.

3. Do not derail topics, do not flame, do not spam (outside Cancer and the Wastelands).

*It is the user’s responsibility not to be trolled.

4. Follow the respective rules of all forum activities and projects as they are explained in the sections dedicated to those activities.

5. Our forum operates on the Three Warnings Rule: Moderators and Admins may give formal warnings to users who behave in an unacceptable manner: unnecessary aggression, insults, trolling, blatant and systematic disregard of the forum rules and etc.

A formal warning is in effect for a week, to give the offender time to consider his actions and evaluate his own behavior.

After three warnings received within the same week, the offender will be temporarily or permanently banned (exiled). The severity of the sentence will be discussed between the Admins, and will depend on the gravity of the offense.

VI. Uniform

1. Forum avatars are restricted to a size of 150x200 pixels, and 25 kb.

2. Forum signatures may contain one image, no more than 800x140 pixels in size, and no more than 5 lines of text. Users are discouraged from using both an image of 140pixels in height and 5 lines of text.

3. Admins reserve the exclusive right to wear the symbol of the Iron March Adminship below their title and avatar - Machina Hierarchia and Admins Wreath.

4. Members of the Black Corps are bestowed the exclusive right to wearing the symbol of the Black Corps below their title and avatar - the Sword and Shield, combined with the Machina Hierarchia.

5. Users are discouraged from taking the names of historic persons, eg ‘Benito Mussolini’, and may be asked to change their username.

Follow these rules diligently, least you face the wrath of the Adminship


not seeing the difference tbh

#104
No ‘Sperging’
#105

gyrofry posted:

No ‘Sperging’


you are out of rhizzone uniform, report for disciplinary hearing.

#106
#107
man fyad's fallen on rough times
#108

5.3 - Simply put, we reserve the right to ban you if you are any kind of faggot. If you feel the need to tell the world then you will bring the consequences on yourself just as hard. Belonging to the furry fandom is prohibited, partly because it also involves a breach of 1.1 and 1.2, but mostly because it is utterly degenerative (it deserves note here because it will apply even if explicitly sexual grounds cannot be ascertained).



can posters espousing homofascist views at least post in the Opposing Viewpoints section of that forum? need to know for a friend

#109
I think "why are great writers such reactionaries" is a better question because the vast majority of reactionaries can't and don't write for shit. or like barely literate sometimes, there's no positive correlation