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U.S. Senate allows John Brennan to become CIA director
Filibuster by Kentucky Senator Rand Paul holds up appointment for nearly 13 hours

The Senate confirmed John Brennan to be CIA director Thursday after the Obama administration bowed to demands from Republicans blocking the nomination and stated explicitly there are limits on the president's power to use drones against U.S. terror suspects on American soil.

The vote was 63-34 and came just hours after Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, a possible 2016 presidential candidate, held the floor past midnight in an old-style filibuster of the nomination to extract an answer from the administration.

Still, Brennan won some GOP support. Thirteen Republicans voted with 49 Democrats and one independent to give Brennan, who has been President Barack Obama's top counterterrorism adviser, the top job at the nation's spy agency. He will replace Michael Morell, the CIA's deputy director who has been acting director since David Petraeus resigned in November after acknowledging an affair with his biographer.

The confirmation vote came moments after Democrats prevailed in a vote ending the filibuster, 81-16.

In a series of fast-moving events, by Senate standards, Attorney General Eric Holder sent a one-paragraph letter to Paul, who had commanded the floor for nearly 13 hours on Wednesday and into Thursday.

"It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: `Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?" Holder wrote Paul.

"The answer to that question is no."

That cleared the way.

"We worked very hard on a constitutional question to get an answer from the president," Paul said after voting against Brennan. "It may have been a little harder than we wish it had been, but in the end I think it was a good healthy debate for the country to finally get an answer that the Fifth Amendment applies to all Americans."

However, Paul's stand on the Brennan nomination and insistence that the Obama administration explain its controversial drone program exposed a deep split among Senate Republicans, pitting leader Mitch McConnell, libertarians and tea partyers against military hawks such as John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.

The government's drone program and its use in the ongoing fight against terrorists were at the heart of the dispute.

Though Paul held the Senate floor for the late-night filibuster, about a dozen of his colleagues who share his views came, too, to take turns speaking for him and trading questions. McConnell, a fellow Kentuckian who faces re-election next year, congratulated him for his "tenacity and for his conviction."

McConnell said in Senate remarks on Thursday, "The United States military no more has the right to kill a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil who is not a combatant with an armed, unmanned aerial vehicle than it does with an M-16."

Paul's filibuster echoed recent congressional debates about the government's authority in the anti-terror war and whether the United States can hold American terror suspects indefinitely and without charge. The disputes have created unusual coalitions as libertarians and liberals have sided against defense hawks.

The latest GOP split also underscored the current rift within the rank and file over budget cuts, with some tea partyers willing to reduce defense dollars to preserve tax cuts but longtime guardians of military spending fighting back.
McCain, Graham slam Paul’s stance

During his talkathon, Paul had suggested the possibility that the government would have used hellfire missiles against anti-war activist Jane Fonda or an American sitting at a cafe. During the height of the Vietnam War, Fonda traveled to North Vietnam and was widely criticized by some in the U.S. for her appearances there.

McCain derided that notion of an attack against the actress and argued that Paul was unnecessarily making Americans fear that their government poses a danger.

"To somehow allege or infer that the president of the United States is going to kill somebody like Jane Fonda or somebody who disagrees with the policies is a stretch of imagination which is, frankly, ridiculous," McCain said.

"I must say that the use of Jane Fonda's name does evoke certain memories with me, and I must say that she is not my favorite American, but I also believe that, as odious as it was, Ms. Fonda acted within her constitutional rights," said McCain, a prisoner of war in Vietnam for five-and-a-half years.

Graham expressed incredulity that Republicans would criticize Obama on a policy that Republican President George W. Bush enforced in the terror war.

"People are astonished that President Obama is doing many of the things that President Bush did," Graham said. "I'm not astonished. I congratulate him for having the good judgment to understand we're at war. And to my party, I'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war."

Graham, initially a "no" vote against Brennan, told reporters that the confirmation fight had become a referendum on the drone program and he planned to back the president's nominee.

As Graham spoke on the Senate floor, he stood before a sign that said al-Qaida had killed 2,958 Americans in the United States while drones had killed none.

On Tuesday, the Senate Intelligence Committee had voted 12-3 to approve Brennan's nomination after the White House broke a lengthy impasse by agreeing to give lawmakers access to top-secret legal opinions justifying the use of lethal drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects overseas.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/03/07/brennan-cia-confirmation.html

jane fonda is safe. i was going to point out that she's an extremely rich pretty white lady and not a muslim scholar but then i had to look up wikipedia to make sure she didn't convert late in life. that seems like something she'd do. but it was to christianity not islam.

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tpaine posted:

if you're not an american citizen, fuck you, we're gonna kill you. if you are an american citizen, we'll just make your life miserable and you'll wish we did kill you. wtf. can someone explain this to me


only if you finally let us in on what this troskyism is all about

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i wish i could get murdered by a drone strike *looks out the window and absentmindedly vomits all over the keyboard*
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pick on someone yr own size u fuckrs *pulls out gigantic homemade drone made out of plywood and semen and equipped with katyusha rockets*
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http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/02/19/what-a-targeted-killing-in-the-us-would-look-like/
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Worthless post.


Cheerleading. 30 days.
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Yeah, war sucks, we all agree. You win the prize for being the Most Morally Outraged About War. Congratulations.

It's war. People die. It's what happens in wars. Wars are thoroughly reprehensible and morally abominable. They are, however, a reality of this world.

You don't really seem to have a point other than expressing your outrage that people die in wars.
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some dude got probated for insulting d&d arch-obamailure deteriorata
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lil alberto
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first obama kills US citizens with flying death robots, and now white kids are being probated on a forum for talkin' about it. when will the injustices end?
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There's a new political cartoons thread
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libelous_slander posted:

There's a new political cartoons thread



oh these guys who are paid to draw terrible garbage did that. haha oh my ~faith in humanity~

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when will these robots figure out for themselves whats best for the human race
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aerdil posted:

first obama kills US citizens with flying death robots, and now white kids are being probated on a forum for talkin' about it. when will the injustices end?



Now. it ends NOW. *slams fist on desk* *goes to post some epic gainsay in d&d 2016 presidential primary thread, which literally exists*

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