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http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2013/04/24/Israel-ups-pressure-on-United-States-over-Syrian-chem-weapons/UPI-34241366821781/

BEIRUT, Lebanon, April 24 (UPI) -- Israeli claims Syrian President Bashar Assad's troops have used chemical weapons against rebel forces have intensified pressure on the United States to intervene in Syria's civil war.

U.S. President Barack Obama left himself exposed to such pressure when he declared during a visit to Israel in March that the use of chemical weapons, or their transfer to U.S.-designated terrorist groups, would be a "game-changer."

It was noticeable when U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel made his inaugural visit to Israel this week that the main topic of concern appeared to be the threat of Syria's chemical arsenal rather than Iran's nuclear program.

But the deepening concerns about Syria's sizeable chemical weapons arsenal has led to widening speculation the Americans and their allies are moving closer to military intervention in Syria.

This was heightened by the April 17 deployment of 200 U.S. troops from the 1st Armored Division to Jordan, Syria's southern neighbor where U.S. and British Special Forces are training Syrian rebel fighters.

Most of the troops being deployed are command and logistics experts, suggesting they would be need to organize combat force to intervene in the Syrian war which is threatening to destabilize an already turbulent Middle East.

The Los Angeles Times reported the troops would be the vanguard of a planned 20,000-strong U.S. force if the Obama administration decides to secure Syria's chemical weapons.

Hagel said the 1st Armored contingent wasn't intended to pave the way for large-scale intervention, but to "improve readiness and prepare for a number of scenarios."

He didn't elaborate but there were disturbing reports of a growing momentum by Israel toward intervention in Syria amid growing tension on the occupied Golan Heights, Israel's northern frontier with Syria.

France's Le Figaro newspaper reported Sunday that Jordan, which signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994, has agreed to provide air corridors for Israeli drone aircraft to monitor Syrian territory.

Israel has long worried about Assad's chemical weapons falling into the hands of jihadist rebels, particularly the al-Nusra Front, the most formidable of the rebel factions which have made substantial advances against Assad's hard-pressed forces in recent weeks.

Israel also fears the Syrians may have also transferred chemical weapons, along with advanced surface-to-air and surface-to-surface missiles, to Hezbollah, its Lebanese ally which Damascus has used to maintain military pressure on the Jewish state for three decades.

Israeli concerns were substantially heightened Tuesday by Brig. Gen. Itai Brun, chief analyst of Israel's Military Intelligence, who accused the Syrian regime of repeatedly using chemical weapons, including the nerve gas sarin, against rebels in recent months.

That was the most categorical assertion by an Israeli leader on the chemical weapons issue to date.

Israel, it must be said, has a vested interest in encouraging the Americans and their allies to intervene to ensure that Assad is toppled and succeeded by a moderate regime from Syria's Sunni majority, not one dominated by jihadists linked to al-Qaida who have sworn to eradicate the Jewish state.

Intelligence sources in the region say the Obama administration has considerable doubts about Brun's claims but they do echo a recent assertion by Britain and France that Damascus has employed chemical weapons against the rebels.

On April 19, these two countries told the United Nations there was "credible evidence" that chemical weapons have been used several times since December.

Damascus has refused to allow U.N. investigators to inspect areas supposedly affected by such attacks but London and Paris have cited smuggled soil samples collected from alleged attack sites in Damascus and the war-torn cities of Homs and Aleppo further north, as well as witness interviews and credible rebel sources.

Given Israel's growing concerns, Western officials say there are worries that, if the Syrian jihadists did deploy chemical weapons, Israel would be provoked into taking unilateral action, much as it has threatened to take against Iran's nuclear program.

"We're very, very close to the red line," one British official told London's Guardian newspaper

#2
It's interesting how overt intervention is taking so long, considering how prompt they were in Libya.
#3
The Syrian army is relatively stronger, the soldiers who left it just defected rather than setting up a professional military for the transitional government as in Libya. The resistance in Syria is also a lot more divided and disorganized. It's apparent that the seculars and moderates are not winning so the US has no other way of dealing with that.
#4
Obama is going to pardon Jonathan Pollard
#5
good, i hope they use chemicals on them
#6
no they aren't
#7
US ain't interested in nation building anymore, and Libya was just an opportunity to sweep a Cold War relic in the trash.
#8
the next 2-3 months are gong to be critical, you say?
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#9

wasted posted:

US ain't interested in nation building anymore, and Libya was just an opportunity to sweep a Cold War relic in the trash.



The US already has its rationale. Chemical weapons use was the "red line" and it was supposedly crossed. If they're not lying they're going to invade.

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mustang19 posted:

wasted posted:

US ain't interested in nation building anymore, and Libya was just an opportunity to sweep a Cold War relic in the trash.

The US already has its rationale. Chemical weapons use was the "red line" and it was supposedly crossed. If they're not lying they're going to invade.



the media wont shut up about just how evil and muslim the rebels are now, the message is all wrong for an invasion

#11
someone just tell me if i'm going to be able to watch arabs get blown up in that weird green night filter on cnn. i mean yeah yeah the lion assad.... this is different.... this is shock and awe.
#12
That's the exact climate the media creates before every war, what's the obstacle there?

By the way the war is probably spreading into Lebanon, and there were protests in Jordan against the US moving in troops.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/04/hezbollah-lebanon-perpares-attacks-jabhat-nusra.html

The latest statement released by Jabhat al-Nusra threatening to launch harsh strikes against Hezbollah, in Beirut in the city’s southern suburb and across Lebanon, is being taken seriously at the national security level and by Hezbollah.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/04/26/Jordanians-torch-U-S-flag-to-protest-troop-deployment-.html

AMMAN, Jordan — Demonstrators gathered in downtown Amman today, April 26, following afternoon prayers to protest the sending of American troops to Jordan.

Jordanian protesters torched a U.S. flag at a demonstration in Amman Friday against an American troop deployment in Jordan in connection with the war in neighboring Syria as hundreds also rallied in other cities.

An AFP photographer said about 400 people took to the streets of the old city of Amman after weekly Muslim prayers chanting: “We don’t want to see American” soldiers in our country.

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Similar protests were held in the northern city of Irbid and in Zarqa, east of the capital, a stronghold of Islamists, where demonstrators chanted: “America is the head of the snake” and “Syria free, free. America out,” witnesses said.
#13
if the US does anything itll be another shadow war/air support thing like with libya
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The US will do whatever Israel tells it to do. Ill even cite Iranian state news.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/28/300630/israel-beats-drums-of-war-against-syria/

Despite the Syrian government denying the use of chemical weapons on Syrians or any plans of ever doing so there is some uneasiness in Washington that Israel may be trying to manipulate the US into taking military action in Syria above the assistance the White House has pledged.

Obama's pretty hilarious though.

"To use weapons of mass destruction on civilian populations crosses another line in terms of international norms and laws – that's going to be a game changer,” Obama said. “For the Syrian Government to use chemical weapons on its people will change my calculus.”

It’s worth noting that Obama’s initial use of “red line” regarding Syria left room for maneuver.

Last summer, he warned that “a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized.”

Although critics may see it as waffling, there is a clear difference between “small scale” and “a whole bunch” of chemical weapons being used. And as Time magazine’s defense expert Mark Thompson notes, “‘Some degree of varying confidence’ is a loophole big enough to fly a cruise missile through.”

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#15
well look, using chemical weapons against your OWN people is a pretty big deal and if youre willing to do that to your own people theres no telling what youd do if let loose on the world stage so these chemicals weapons using tyrants really need to be reigned in and i think even the most ardent non-interventionists can agree with that
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wasted posted:

US ain't interested in nation building anymore, and Libya was just an opportunity to sweep a Cold War relic in the trash.



you dont spend many many many many many dollars going to war to "sweep a Cold War relic into the trash"

they are probs not going to invade Syria to, it would be a redonkulous war they have, like rather then compare this to Libya compare it to Iraq, umming and ahhing about a war this much kind of isn't how it works

only reason it may change is if isreal is threatened or it threatens to turn into a regional war but meh if that is really occouring

#17

VoxNihili posted:

if the US does anything itll be another shadow war/air support thing like with libya



their was a really good report from MIT about how this would be impossible in syria about 2 years ago which was reffered to in an economist article

good luck finding it but it means i am correct

#18
i hope Israhell DOES go to shadowar with Syria and then the Syrian Electronic Army FPROTs their targum