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bang the drums

Ill-Considered Advice on Syria
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
Published: April 29, 2013

To hear Senator John McCain of Arizona and Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina tell it, the way forward on Syria is clear. The United States should be doing more — directly arming the rebels seeking overthrow President Bashar al-Assad, establishing a no-fly zone. This is not a new line for these two legislators and others in Congress who share their views. But it has gathered force since the Obama administration disclosed last week that it believes Mr. Assad’s forces have used sarin gas against Syrians.

For all their exhortations, what the senators and like-minded critics have not offered is a coherent argument for how a more muscular approach might be accomplished without dragging the United States into another extended and costly war and how it might yield the kind of influence and good will for this country that the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan have not.

Mr. Graham and Mr. McCain to the contrary, the administration has not adopted a hands-off approach to Syria. Early on, it collaborated with the Europeans on a political solution, which failed. It is the largest donor of humanitarian aid to Syrians ($400 million), and it just doubled its nonlethal aid to the opposition to $250 million. With mixed success, Washington has also worked to organize fractious rebel groups into a more cohesive and effective whole, while delegitimizing Mr. Assad.

Unlike Mr. McCain and Mr. Graham, who have also faulted President Obama for withdrawing troops from Iraq and tried to goad him into a more militaristic position on Iran, the president has been trying to disentangle the United States from overseas conflicts and, as a result, has been very cautious about military involvement in Syria.

That may have to change now
that Mr. Assad’s forces are accused of using chemical weapons. Mr. Obama backed himself into a corner when he warned the Syrian leader that using chemical weapons would constitute a “red line” and be a “game changer,” suggesting strongly and perhaps unwisely that crossing that line would trigger some kind of American action.

The failure to act now could be misread by Mr. Assad as well as leaders in Iran and North Korea, whose nuclear programs are on America’s radar. But Mr. Obama should only act if he has compelling documentation that the sarin gas was used in an attack by Syrian forces and was not the result of an accident or fertilizer. The Financial Times reported the evidence is based on two separate samples taken from victims of the attacks.

With the civil war in Syria now in its third year and the death toll at more than 70,000, the situation has deteriorated. Mr. Assad remains in power, sectarian divisions have intensified and fleeing refugees are destabilizing neighboring countries. Most worrisome, jihadis linked to Al Qaeda have become the dominant fighting force and, as Ben Hubbard reported in The Times, there are few rebel groups that both share the political vision of the United States and have the military might to push it forward.

There have never been easy options for the United States in Syria; they have not improved with time. And Russia and Iran, both enablers of Mr. Assad, deserve particular condemnation. Without their support, Mr. Assad would not have lasted this long. Still, the country is important to regional stability. Mr. Obama must soon provide a clearer picture of how he plans to use American influence in dealing with the jihadi threat and the endgame in Syria.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/opinion/ill-considered-advice-on-syria.html



editorial title accurately describes content

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i can't wait for wednesday because that means we will finally hear profound words of wisdom re: syria from NYT foreign affairs op-ed columnist, three-time pulitzer prize winner, and pulitzer prize board member thom friedman
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REPORT: The Israeli Air Force Flew Into Syria And Bombed A Chemical Weapons Plant

http://www.businessinsider.com/report-israeli-bombed-syrian-chemical-weapons-plant-2013-4
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They should bomb North Korea and invade Syria, so we can experience a horrible ocllapse and millions of people suffer Lol
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thos's column runs sun & wed so he could have written about syria for last sunday's column, but instead he submitted a salad of 900 vacuous words about the boston marathon bombing that he'd pretty obviously written the prior tuesday

gotta stay ahead of deadline
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Jihad going to nuke America in 2-3 seconds!!!!

http://www.businessinsider.com/syria-mccain-graham-chemical-weapons-obama-2013-4

Graham seemed to warn that if the U.S. doesn't act, terrorist attacks involving chemical weapons could occur in the U.S.

Fingers crossed
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#9
black people are not usually named "McSomething"*

*exception for MC Something
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getfiscal posted:

black people are not usually named "McSomething"*

*exception for MC Something



only because we saw fit to enslave the oirish instead of allowing them to own slaves

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Yeah right like they would report a black person's death on the news
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Obama hints at potential military action in Syria
Hezbollah ready to intervene in support of Syria's Bashar al-Assad

U.S. President Barack Obama signaled Tuesday he would consider U.S. military action against Syria if "hard, effective evidence" is found to bolster intelligence that chemical weapons have been used in the two-year-old civil war. Among the potential options being readied for him: weapons and ammunition for the Syrian rebels.

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Beyond lethal aid to the rebels, several government agencies are also drafting plans for establishing a protective "no-fly zone" over Syria and for targeted missile strikes, according to officials familiar with the planning. However, the officials, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the internal deliberations, stressed that Obama had not yet decided to proceed on any of the plans.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/30/obama-syria.html

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here's a cbc analysis article which tries to imply that al-qaeda might soon try to get a nuclear bomb via iran:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/29/f-al-qaeda-iran-shia.html
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slumlord posted:

i can't wait for wednesday because that means we will finally hear profound words of wisdom re: syria from NYT foreign affairs op-ed columnist, three-time pulitzer prize winner, and pulitzer prize board member thom friedman


it's wednesday! here's a little excerpt from the foreign affairs columnist of the Paper of Record

We now live in a 401(k) world — a world of defined contributions, not defined benefits — where everyone needs to pass the bar exam and no one can escape the most e-mailed list.

Here is what I mean: Something really big happened in the world’s wiring in the last decade, but it was obscured by the financial crisis and post-9/11. We went from a connected world to a hyperconnected world. I’m always struck that Facebook, Twitter, 4G, iPhones, iPads, high-speech broadband, ubiquitous wireless and Web-enabled cellphones, the cloud, Big Data, cellphone apps and Skype did not exist or were in their infancy a decade ago when I wrote a book called “The World Is Flat.” All of that came since then, and the combination of these tools of connectivity and creativity has created a global education, commercial, communication and innovation platform on which more people can start stuff, collaborate on stuff, learn stuff, make stuff (and destroy stuff) with more other people than ever before.


fuck thomas friedman for ever and ever

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lol goatstein wrote that
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his response to Recent Developments In The Syrian Thing was a word salad column about how It's A 401(k) World After All

i guess we should be commending him for ignoring the screeching of the war hawks
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/syrians-lives-are-worthless-obama-tells-daughters,31934/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/help-has-to-be-on-the-way-now-thinks-syrian-man-cu,32265/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/hi-in-the-past-2-years-you-have-allowed-me-to-kill,31805/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/having-gone-this-far-without-caring-about-syria-na,30346/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/scientists-say-us-may-have-discovered-previously-u,28807/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/alien-world-to-help-out-syria-since-this-one-refus,27620/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/three-more-syrians-killed-as-tom-weighs-merits-of,21271/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/48-syrian-civilians-massacred-during-claire-danes,29666/