tentativelurkeraccount posted:the bleeding edge of satire
http://www.vice.com/read/speaking-with-the-sea-about-hacking-the-onions-twitter-account
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate."
Chomsky of course being the grandest and most meta Court Jester of all.
Makeshift_Swahili posted:The Onion, The Daily Show, comedians such as George Carlin etc are basically court Jesters who are allowed to occasionally criticise their own masters. As Chomsky says:
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate."
Chomsky of course being the grandest and most meta Court Jester of all.
good post. if the moment a child sees himself in the mirror is when ideology in general constitutes the subject, than the moment when the father says 'because i said so' is when liberal ideology interpellates on the western mind.
the liberal asks 'is there freedom?' while the communist asks 'what is freedom? why freedom? freedom for whom? freedom from whom? freedom to do what?' (to loosely quote Zizek loosely quoting Lenin). I would even say that the moment when one stops asking questions is when one stops being revolutionary and become liberal.
at least thats what it was for me. i just kept questioning concepts that were taken as a given, asking questions about history, philosophy, and politics, and now im a revolutionary marxist-leninist. I never worked in a miserable job as a teen, or was excluded based on sex, sexuality, race, and all the other ways class mediates itself in the west, i don't come from a communist tradition, i never went to punk shows or dressed weirdly or had radical friends. maybe it's idealist, but i do think communism is simply more correct and can be arrived at by a pursuit of absolute truth. though obviously 'truth' and 'correct' are mediated by ideology and class struggle and not everyone who is a liberal is just an idiot who can't ask the right questions.
Crow posted:I support the tireless vigilance of the Syrian Electronic Army volunteer corps and the inspiring bravery of the Syrian people upholding the glorious eagle Assad. May the nihilist rogues at the Onion suffer a thousand, a million defeats
I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe.
corn posted:I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe.
welcome to the rhizzone... get used to that feeling, there's a lot more comedy where that came from!
HenryKrinkle posted:the onion is funny tho
the onion was funny. now that it is being thrust onto the stage of politics, not just with the SEA but with the election of Obama and how that's affected all the comedy shows like daily show, SNL, and msnbc, it's shown it's true cowardice at exposing itself and therefore lack of humor.
unless you think articles about obama doing something cool, like playing basketball, around a bunch of uncool people is hilarious.
deadken posted:i mean i support what theyre doing but once you say "U MAD BRO" in an interview youre entering another field of judgement and that guy doesnt know his aesthetics from his elbow imo
i thought it was funny since it's turning the language of smug people who think they are beyond ideology on themselves. it's shocking, though most people probably won't get the joke. i thought it was hilarious when Iran had a bunch of news stories about lack of freedom in the USA during OWS and used the exact language the american press uses calling for intervention and the overthrow of the american govt by the 'free world'.
babyhueypnewton posted:HenryKrinkle posted:the onion is funny tho
the onion was funny. now that it is being thrust onto the stage of politics, not just with the SEA but with the election of Obama and how that's affected all the comedy shows like daily show, SNL, and msnbc, it's shown it's true cowardice at exposing itself and therefore lack of humor.
unless you think articles about obama doing something cool, like playing basketball, around a bunch of uncool people is hilarious.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/obamas-weekly-video-addresses-becoming-increasingl,17649/
babyhueypnewton posted:at least thats what it was for me. i just kept questioning concepts that were taken as a given, asking questions about history, philosophy, and politics, and now im a revolutionary marxist-leninist. I never worked in a miserable job as a teen, or was excluded based on sex, sexuality, race, and all the other ways class mediates itself in the west, i don't come from a communist tradition, i never went to punk shows or dressed weirdly or had radical friends. maybe it's idealist, but i do think communism is simply more correct and can be arrived at by a pursuit of absolute truth. though obviously 'truth' and 'correct' are mediated by ideology and class struggle and not everyone who is a liberal is just an idiot who can't ask the right questions.
how brave, noble and unique: a teenager who questions things
The Onion is basically the 'mexican coca-cola of satire': average everywhere else but seems amazing in comparison to the shit you've been fed growing up.
ilmdge posted:babyhueypnewton posted:
HenryKrinkle posted:
the onion is funny tho
the onion was funny. now that it is being thrust onto the stage of politics, not just with the SEA but with the election of Obama and how that's affected all the comedy shows like daily show, SNL, and msnbc, it's shown it's true cowardice at exposing itself and therefore lack of humor.
unless you think articles about obama doing something cool, like playing basketball, around a bunch of uncool people is hilarious.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/obamas-weekly-video-addresses-becoming-increasingl,17649/
by winkingly creating an implausibly bizzare fantasy of obama's motivations and character (that is rooted somewhat in his critics view of him), all it's ultimately doing is humanizing the President to show that he's just a normal sort of guy.
Liberal dog-whistling of the worst kind.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:this set the standard for modern satire and nothing has yet come close to it (the Boston stuff is the best thing recently that America has produced)
"i wonder if there are air traffic control problems" lol. americas bubble violently ruptured live on the air.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:ilmdge posted:babyhueypnewton posted:
HenryKrinkle posted:
the onion is funny tho
the onion was funny. now that it is being thrust onto the stage of politics, not just with the SEA but with the election of Obama and how that's affected all the comedy shows like daily show, SNL, and msnbc, it's shown it's true cowardice at exposing itself and therefore lack of humor.
unless you think articles about obama doing something cool, like playing basketball, around a bunch of uncool people is hilarious.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/obamas-weekly-video-addresses-becoming-increasingl,17649/by winkingly creating an implausibly bizzare fantasy of obama's motivations and character (that is rooted somewhat in his critics view of him), all it's ultimately doing is humanizing the President to show that he's just a normal sort of guy.
Liberal dog-whistling of the worst kind.
sorry but it's hilarious
roseweird posted:getfiscal that is my favorite part about reading chomsky, he doesn't talk about any of those awful things, reading chomsky allows me to feel simultaneously optimistic and informed! these are usually mutually exclusive states
that's why i like listening to his speech called "government in the future" from 1970, he's like peak optimism and sounds almost lively.