#1
something to pooh-pooh? or something to raise the same lust in your veins as watching a tiger fight a sheep in an octagonal arena?

IMHO, I hate to see it when they go after glenn greenwald (although, at the same time, it is absolutely hilarious), but its absolutely hilarious to see them go after Matthew Yglesias or Ezra Klein or Joshua Foust.

thoughts ?!??
#2
the foust piece was funny but too long and too much internet detective shit from his livejournal or whatever. should have just stuck to the stories about him admitting to copping a feel from some lebanese girl who disliked him because he supported the iraq war lol
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germanjoey posted:
something to pooh-pooh? or something to raise the same lust in your veins as watching a tiger fight a sheep in an octagonal arena?

IMHO, I hate to see it when they go after glenn greenwald (although, at the same time, it is absolutely hilarious), but its absolutely hilarious to see them go after Matthew Yglesias or Ezra Klein or Joshua Foust.

thoughts ?!??

agreed

#5
it's not the worst thing in the world considering how much influence their targets have, but at the same time it feels like a considerable waste of the exiled's talents. i'd rather see them talk about going on meth fueled prostitution binges while fighting oligarchs or punking out nightclubs than this
#6
i never read them bc im not interested at all
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#8
maybe i will fulfill my dream of being a bogus hunter s thompson. yay
#9
Reminds me of nerds in high school arguing over whether star wars or lord of the rings is better. Lots of passion, lots of references, an overwhelming belief that one is 100% correct but ultimately totally irrelevant.
#10
lets clean up journalism! a shiner sewer, a better tomorrow
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Reminds me of nerds in high school arguing over whether star wars or lord of the rings is better. Lots of passion, lots of references, an overwhelming belief that one is 100% correct but ultimately totally irrelevant.

yeah this. i haven't even really been logging into exiled since they started going after other journos and whining about occupy all day

#12
i havcent read any of that stuff but its good to pick on left liberals to SHIFT rhe Overron Wondiw
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babyfinland posted:
i never read them bc im not interested at all

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Impper posted:
it's not the worst thing in the world considering how much influence their targets have, but at the same time it feels like a considerable waste of the exiled's talents. i'd rather see them talk about going on meth fueled prostitution binges while fighting oligarchs or punking out nightclubs than this



lmao you're a child

#15
fuck yeah! drugs prostitutes nightclubs fighting, fuckin yeah bro!!
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futurewidow posted:
fuck yeah! drugs prostitutes nightclubs fighting, fuckin yeah bro!!



I dunno, drugs and sex have more vitality (and perhaps more to say about the human condition) than some nerdy blog slapfight.

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Yeah I’ve thought about it a bit more and this crusade of theirs is basically the Daily Show with more swearing lol.
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Yeah I’ve thought about it a bit more and this crusade of theirs is basically the Daily Show with more swearing lol.



was wondering how long it would take someone to make this connection lol when i wrote this thread lol

#21
lol
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NEOADMINISTRATOR posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Yeah I’ve thought about it a bit more and this crusade of theirs is basically the Daily Show with more swearing lol.

was wondering how long it would take someone to make this connection lol when i wrote this thread lol



Dude lol

#23
I Dunno some excellent shitty points in this thread. REally seeing "the point" here. Didnt the exiled do this very same thing in Russia thogh. crow- Keepin em honest.
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Crow posted:
I Dunno some excellent shitty points in this thread. REally seeing "the point" here. Didnt the exiled do this very same thing in Russia thogh. crow- Keepin em honest.



yeah but the difference here is t hat they're taking on internet airheads... kinda loses its oomph in a lotta cases

#25
i still enjoying read them though
#26
Yeah but taking on the FSB just seems a little more impressive than taking on some fat nerd with a dumb beard
#27
libertarians are seriously super vile, like i retract from them and not deal with them for a while and i forget, but then i come into contact with one and they are seriously some bizarre mesh of anti-human parasites & zombies. they must be wiped out with shotguns and baseball bats. its important because they're crowding around the food court at the moment, and someone needs to rig up a shopping cart with some chainsaws and firework propulsion system, and drive one deep into their gathering and explode it into smithereens. they are possessing the anti-human spirit, the mortal enemy of humanity.

like to you guys who think Oh we're going to be wiped out in a couple of decades, and all our agriculture is gonna collapse, well here's part of your problem right here: vacuous anti-humans. smash em up a little and then go onto the main entree.
#28
i like reading a few exiled writers but a majority of it is strongman posturing. whenever real political opinions surface they're always pretty gross
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Crow posted:
libertarians are seriously super vile, like i retract from them and not deal with them for a while and i forget, but then i come into contact with one and they are seriously some bizarre mesh of anti-human parasites & zombies. they must be wiped out with shotguns and baseball bats. its important because they're crowding around the food court at the moment, and someone needs to rig up a shopping cart with some chainsaws and firework propulsion system, and drive one deep into their gathering and explode it into smithereens. they are possessing the anti-human spirit, the mortal enemy of humanity.

like to you guys who think Oh we're going to be wiped out in a couple of decades, and all our agriculture is gonna collapse, well here's part of your problem right here: vacuous anti-humans. smash em up a little and then go onto the main entree.



oh i agree i agree

#30
it's a far cry from throwing a semen pie in someone's face and doing deep digging on actual conflicts of interest. 'glenn greenwald of the libertarian cato institute' is kind of a reach, even though greenwald is pretty lame in a lot of ways. so in conclusion op I think they should go after big targets or go home, and whatever they do they should make their articles more self-contained, I'm sick of seeing like ten links in the first paragraph of an exiled article to a long stupid twitter war or whatever. who the fuck cares
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Yeah I’ve thought about it a bit more and this crusade of theirs is basically the Daily Show with more swearing lol.



Mark Ames has been on MSNBC and Russia Today which means he's a bit mainstream nowadays. As I've mentioned before the people aren't really going to allow a radical to say anything that doesn't treat them as victims or heroes so you have to become a tepid liberal to exist in the political discourse today.

As a consequence it looks like we're not going to be getting amazing articles like "Gas Middle America" any time soon. It's not even on the exiled website anymore, I had to find the article quoted on some forum that looked racist/anti-semitic.

Here it is for those who haven't seen it:

Gas Middle America: The eXile's Blue State Solution

by Mark Ames

I've been tracking the Left's reaction to Bush's horrifying election romp, and what's clear to me is that nothing has been learned. Nothing has been learned because no one on the Left is being honest. Their reactions range from bitching about the elections allegedly being stolen -- well duh! what'd you idiots expect from the Republicans?! -- to grotesque, clumsy soul-searching in the form of how Democrats need to get spiritual, get in touch with Middle American "values," or how the Democratic party either needs to move to the center, or the flip-side to this idiocy, move farther to the Left...that coastalites need start going to church more often in order to learn the ways of the savages, to be less secular-humanist, to shop less, to connect with Middle America, to understand Middle America, to allow Middle America to be Middle America, to suck Middle America's hemorrhoid-bejeweled ass and tickle Middle America's balls... What they don't have the guts to admit, once and for all, is that THE PROBLEM IS MIDDLE AMERICA. Stop blaming the victim, folks. The problem with the idiocy and lunacy are the idiots and lunatics, not their mugging victims.

Now that we've come out and said it, it's time to act. We at the eXile are here to solve problems. Middle America is the problem, and the eXile has the solution. It's a little extreme, and you folks will have to briefly suspend your little liberal-humanist consciences in order to get on board with us, but we think it's the only solution that'll work.

Gas them. Gas every red state that voted for Bush. Gas them all, and gas them now. And if that sounds a little too 1940s for you, then fine, nuke the fuckers. Nukes have come a long way since 1945, so much so that they're not even 1940s anymore. It's just that gassing them sounds so much more appropriate.

The awful reality is that George W. Bush won by 4 million votes. No, the awful reality is that he got any votes at all -- but he did. It doesn't matter if Bush stole 10,000 votes in this shitty Ohio county and 4,000 votes in that incest-ridden Deliverance county there -- he won the popular vote. He won a mandate. He won -- get it? Bush won! They voted for him, the stupid fucking suckers, after he gave them four years of the most shocking warp-speed national decline since Franz Josef abdicated. There is nothing normal or sane about what these Americans did. There is no way to spin that. It's just nauseating, sphincter-twisting, horrifyingly stupid and evil. So the coastal elite -- and we are an elite, thank god (what moron wouldn't want to be part of the elite? "Hey, I'm not elite, I'm akshully jus' a fuckin' stupid piece of shit chump who gits used by the elite, 'n by gum that's how's I likes it!") -- and the Democrats and everyone with a brain should stop flogging themselves or falsely localizing blame on a clique of evil Republican operatives who manipulated Middle America, and put the blame where the blame lies -- on the 59,000,000 fucks who voted to destroy America. And don't just blame those 59,000,000 fucks, but blame their families, their friends, their dogs and cats, their furniture, and everything they ever touched, smelled, peed on, or otherwise left DNA samples in. They all have to go. Every last one of 'em. We don't like the thought of all that collateral damage that nuking or gassing Middle America would bring, but...aw shit, who are we foolin' here? We LOVE the thought of all that collateral damage, we DREAM about it! We're sorry for the 30-40 percent who voted blue in the red states -- just like we're sorry about Dresden and Hamburg, and lose sleep over it every night. That is to say, if you stay there, you're no longer innocent. Collateral damage in Fallujah is depressing-- but collateral damage in Alabama, a giant welfare queen state sucking from the liberal pro-Kerry states' tax dollars? A few Trident II's oughtta turn 'Bama into a Crimson Tide of Manhattan Chowder. M'm-m'm tasty!

The Left knows that this is the only way to rectify the electoral problem and save America, but cannot come to grips with this because so much of Leftism's humanist philosophy presupposes human goodness. The Left believes that the Masses of people are inherently Good, that they want to do what's Right for themselves and for each other. This presupposition is the Left's hugest blind spot.

The hardcore Christians, and the Republicans who use them, have a massive advantage over secular humanists because they know and believe that man is an evil, base creature. They see his baseness everywhere, particularly if he is enjoying himself. Evangelical Christian philosophy is based on a simple hatred of man, hatred of life, hatred of pleasure, and hatred of everything beautiful on this planet, especially animals and forests. Earth to them is a wretched test, a dreadful obstacle on the path to Heaven; only money is good, not for the sake of enjoying money, but because the wealth, and the goods wealth buys, is a sign that they have been Blessed; the more sand niggers, endangered mammals, forests, property, and earthly culture they destroy on the path to wealth, the better chance there is getting to Jesus Christ's kingdom later on. They want to go to heaven, yet they want to live until they're 100 because longevity is proof that Jesus has blessed them (also they want to draw Social Security and leave nothing for succeeding generations, all the while lecturing their grandchildren about the sin of taking handouts). They are infinitely greedy, and like the petty misers they are, they do not enjoy a single thing they possess, and hate those who do. But they're even worse than misers -- they're misers who barely get by, misers with overdrawn credit, misers who constantly vote for harder work and less pay. They're misers who make it harder and harder for themselves to mise, as it were. The stupidest misers man has ever known.

Middle American Christians not only hate man and life, but most of all, they hate America. In fact, no one hates America more than the hardcore Evangelical Christians, which is to say, the South and Midwest. Their hatred of New England liberals is a thinly disguised hatred of America's heart and soul, since it was in New England that America was founded; their hatred of California is a hatred of what America has become, a hatred of American culture and power, since modern American culture and technology are produced in California. Their hatred of Hollywood is the same hatred of Hollywood you find in any resentful Third World country. Middle Americans hate California and the Northeast because those are America; the South and Midwest, on the other hand, are merely a kind of Third World within America, a large free-trade zone full of gullible consumers and cheap land and labor, and they know it. They are what holds America back from progress. They are the East Germany that West Germans had to absorb, and are constantly paying the price for. They are America's Sunni Triangle, full of hate and fanaticism and destruction. They are fit for little more than cannon fodder in the armed forces and as non-union manual labor capable of assembling Japanese or German cars without making a fuss. In short, they're gullible fools. Which brings me to the next question: Who the fuck ever decided that these pieces of shit deserved the right to vote?

Bush II has done everything to destroy America in record time. Bush II is our Nikolai II and Wilhelm II rolled into one bumbling, violent dumbshit. Thanks to him, the mighty American empire is disintegrating before our eyes -- no wonder Putin, the Iranian mullahs and bin Laden wanted to see Bush II re-anointed. No president in history has accomplished so much destruction so quickly -- the destruction of the American armed forces, the destruction of the economy and the dollar, a record deficit ensuring our decline for decades, a huge redistribution of wealth from the middle-classes to the rich thereby ensuring social tension for decades, and encouraging the kind of cult superstition and ignorance that has made places like Iran and Saudi Arabia the beacons of cultural and technological innovation they are today. Disaster, you think? Wrong. It's perfect, if you're a Middle American who hates America with all of the passion -- in fact, with the very identical passion as his Islamic fundamentalist counterparts. Just look at the evidence: bin Laden has said that his two-pronged strategy to destroy America is aimed at both drawing it into a quagmire in the Middle East and by bankrupting it. Middle America voted back the president who has done exactly that -- drag America into a quagmire, and bankrupted its finances, causing its currency to plummet by 60% since Bush took office. They hate America, and they want it destroyed, and we need to stop them now. Not by seceding, not by hand-wringing, not by getting to understand them, but by gassing them. Or nuking them. Or both, just to be sure. Followed by salting.


Since I'm running out of space here, I'm just going to lay out a few salient points which I hope will help ease you into the mindset which says, "Yup, you're right Ames, as much as it pains me to say it, we need to gas 'em all, and gas 'em ay-ess-ay-pee":

Myth #1: The South and Midwest are more "spiritual" than the secular coastal states. You have to really not have lived there -- I don't mean spend time there, but I mean live there with the awful feeling in your gut that you're stuck there forever -- to believe that the Middle Americans are somehow more spiritual than coastalites. They're every bit as grotesquely consumer-driven, bargain-obsessed and materialistic as their coastal counterparts, only they don't question their consumerism because their brand of religion obviates the need to question it. Outsiders mistake their lack of self-analysis for something deeper, when in fact it's the purest expression of ignorance and shallowness. Middle Americans live for malls, Ford F-350 gas-guzzling dump trucks, and hair products. The only difference between their grotesque materialism and ours is that THEY HAVE NO FUCKING TASTE. I lived in Texas and in Kentucky; I grew up in the suburbs of San Jose, and lived in the elitist strongholds of Berkeley, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston and New York. So I have a little perspective on this. Here is what I can say about people in the South and Midwest, or the shit-kicking San Jose of my youth. THEY'RE NOT SPIRITUAL, THEY'RE JUST FUCKING IDIOTS. They can barely walk upright. They should be put in cages and injected with experimental vaccines, not given the right to vote. They're ignorant fucking morons whose brains are just crying out for someone to wash them with the most vicious, spiteful message you can throw at them. You cannot appeal to their better instincts because they have no better instincts. They don't think. They don't analyze. They simply buy, sell, consume, and listen to right-wing talk radio, and a few times a week, they hear some closet case in a powder blue suit and his hair molded tighter than a cat's ass feed them more and more hate and fear in the name of Jesus Christ. They are hooked on fear and hatred, and they cannot stand the thought of helping niggers or outsiders. No one in the world -- not in supposedly-savage Africa, not in the Balkans or Caucuses, not in the sub-continent or the tropics -- is as essentially mean-spirited as Middle Americans. Their stupidity, meanness and materialism is only bolstered, not tempered, by the religion that gives them their so-called "spirituality."

Myth #2: Middle Americans are "real Americans." Right. They barely even resemble human beings, with their grotesque front-butts, their cottage-cheese fat-packs and the way they squeal every time a true American from the Northeast or the West Coast appears on the airwaves -- airwaves created, controlled and beamed at them from the humanoid coastal enclaves. Middle Americans are not just stupid and ignorant, they are hideously ugly, so repulsive to behold that even body lice acquire a kind of pathos when placed next to (or on top of or inside of) them. Homo Flores, the little hobbit humanoids they recently discovered in Indonesia, has more of a claim to being a modern human than the degenerate sacks of shit who populate Bush Country. At the very least Homo Flores looks more human. Put it this way: in any bar in the world, a Homo Flores woman would get laid long before an Alabama beast would even qualify for a mercy-bang. If you could build a snowman out of artery plaque, then you would behold a typical Middle American. This evolutionary degeneracy is no accident. Consider how Middle Americans evolved. In America 200 years ago, those who could not succeed in the financial/cultural/power center in the Northeast trekked westward. Thus from the start they were already losers, but of the losers the strongest ones at least made it to the West Coast, the most beautiful land in America and perhaps the world. Those who stayed behind -- were the shit of the shit, the shit that stuck to the tip of America's ass and forgot to wipe. There are people who have lived for generations in Missouri, in Tennessee, in Kentucky and Texas, and who never saw the need, or had the nerve, to move to the West Coast, the end of the race. They couldn't go on. They were priced out genetically, brain-capacity-wise, and physically. As for the South-- these are the only Anglo-Saxons ever to get their asses kicked in warfare, surrender and be colonized...in other words, they are the special olympiads of the Anglo-Saxon race -- and they lost even that. Like hagfish sliming on the ocean floor, these Middle Americans, these losers several times over, remained in their hot, flat, ugly, humid, tornado-magnet shitholes, generation after generation, squatting on the only real estate in America that has not appreciated in value since the Battle of Midway because no other sucker is sucker-y enough to want to buy them out...and there's millions and millions of acres of this sucker real-estate that these bigoted, physically repulsive, monkey-brained fools cling to as if their spiritual salvation depended on it. The fact is, they're right not to emigrate to the West -- if they tried moving to a Blue State, they'd be on welfare faster than you can say "Applebee's." Why move there for welfare when you can just stay in your shitty red state and get welfare with every other pile of artery plaque. Which brings me to:

Myth #3: Middle Americans hate Big Government. The truth is that Middle Americans are Welfare Queens. White, bigoted, ignorant welfare queens. The statistics don't lie. North Dakota, which voted for Bush 63%-36%, takes in $2.03 for every dollar it pays into the federal budget, making it first among states. New Mexico just switched to Bush 50%-49%, seeing as he did such a bang-up job, and not coincidentally they're the second biggest welfare queens, skimming $1.89 for every dollar they fork over. After that, well, you can guess: Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Alaska, all welfare queen states. And don't be fooled into thinking this money goes to local minorities -- that gig ended years ago. These federal funds go to white projects -- subsidizing tobacco, big farming subsidies, bogus construction projects, bridges, roads, and every other big government project that the fat white welfare queen bigots can squeeze out of the liberal elitists. Even the few Middle Americans who "work," that is those who join the military, still have to be paid by the same "big government" they hate, even long after they retire. Middle Americans are the deficit, folks. And which states pay more into the federal budget in order to subsidize the Bush-voting welfare queens? Yup: eight of the top 10 states who pay more than they receive voted for Kerrey. Massachusetts, for example, receives just $0.79 for every dollar it gives to Bush's little government, while California and New York get just $0.81 back for each dollar they pay in. Stop paying them, you're thinking, and that'll teach 'em? Don't be a fool. Gas em, and they'll learn. Gas is the only language these baloneyheads understand.


Myth #4: Middle Americans voted for Bush because they share his values. Wrong again. They voted AGAINST Kerry because he looks and talks like an outsider. These people hate outsiders. They shoot outsiders who come onto their property. Bush has the same stupid, beady-eyed look as the rest of the red state inbreds. There is a certain pride to his ignorance that that sets their trigger-fingers at ease, even though Bush has been robbing them blind, every time they invite him in for a beer, for four straight years, and now another four a-comin'. You can literally kill their kin -- as Bush has been doing to their sons and daughters in Iraq -- and they'll still support you, so long as you've got that stupid beady-eyed look. The main thing is hatred of outsiders. That's it. Nothing deep, no riddle at all, no issue of values or spirituality. Remember that scene in Easy Rider, where the hicks shoot the hippies for looking like hippies? "They talk about loving freedom, but when they see someone who's actually free, they want to destroy him." That's pretty much what the hicks just did to all of America on November 2nd. Let's not whitewash what this election was about. It was about racism, bigotry and Fascism. In fact the South and Midwest, taken as a "nation," are the last and only Fascist state left in the white world, an incompetent and vulgar Fascism, without brains and without uniforms. Many of them are openly proud of this fact. They voted for a doomed war, against progress, against modernity and against culture. They are driven by envy and cult superstition and hate. And they want to slaughter other people to make up for the fact that they cannot produce anything of value, that they are nothing but welfare queens and cheap labor whose only consolations is that they aren't niggers, queers, spics, or...well, they don't openly hate Jews so much anymore, but their newfound bizarre embrace of Israel and Jews is every bit as sick as their former anti-Semitism.

Now some of you may have a problem with the gas-them-all theory, because most Middle Americans are quite nice when you meet them in person. Nicer, in fact, than city folk in the Blue States. If they saw you bleeding on the side of the road, they'd help nurse you back to health rather than run you over like in the LA or New York. But as Ash would say, "It's a trick." These people want to swallow your soul, quite literally.

The fact is that if these people ran America, it would have been like Bolivia, just a shitty Third World country with a resentful local population and a few big unfinished public works projects sitting idle. Middle America only exists because of the coastal states. The rest of the country provides nothing but cheap labor and farm land. But now, thanks to genetic engineering and cheap Chinese labor, we don't need you fucks anymore. So it's off to heaven with you. Fire up the crop dusters and prepare the Trident-IIs for launching, blue America. With the eXile solution, the world is about to become a better, safer, and leaner place.


#32
yeah they;re creating a self-contained spinoff site for their war against pundits. frankly its good, he needs a hobby that doesnt involve prostitutes or parties, he's gettign older, time to settle down and start a family (of journo-hack assassins). i donated to the fund, i'm curious to see the propaganda wing exposed, because that'll make the outlines of the murkier stuff more clear
#33
oh shit theyre scrubbing their old stuff??? goddammit, i knew i shouldve read all of it back when i had the chance. Fuck.
#34
did ames actually express pride in being a "blue stater." lmao what a loser
#35
ames really needs to be more concise, hes not a good enough writer to hold my attention for more than a few paragraphs
#36
ive always liked dolan a lot more than ames. ames has this tepid progressive leftism-but-not-too-left-thatd-be-crazy! ideology that he overcompensates for by just being aggressively anti-liberal. not that being aggressively anti-liberal is a bad thing, but it makes for a lot of wishy-washy and frankly idiotic articles when it isn't grounded in a firm leftism.
#37
yeah remember who else started the exile with ames? real time with bill maher correspondant matt taibbi. lol eXile is a joke just like all english ex-pats and just like limonov.
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stegosaurus posted:
it's a far cry from throwing a semen pie in someone's face and doing deep digging on actual conflicts of interest. 'glenn greenwald of the libertarian cato institute' is kind of a reach, even though greenwald is pretty lame in a lot of ways. so in conclusion op I think they should go after big targets or go home, and whatever they do they should make their articles more self-contained, I'm sick of seeing like ten links in the first paragraph of an exiled article to a long stupid twitter war or whatever. who the fuck cares

thats actually not a reach, they posted an article about it