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Yeah id much rather daydream about the red guard beating the ulama in streets than ever give consideration to something that has given a massive portion of the world a sense of usefulness and peace
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Just gimme the Islam lady!!!
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that post is just a longwinded "you don't understand my subjectivity", which anyone could say, about anything
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aerdil posted:
i just simply feel that a belief system should at its very basic level at least be logically consistent.



i don't think you've shown that islam is internally inconsistent in any meaningful way, sorry

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noavbazzer posted:
Yeah id much rather daydream about the red guard beating the ulama in streets than ever give consideration to something that has given a massive portion of the world a sense of usefulness and peace



well as long as religion gives the world a sense of usefulness and peace i guess theres no real hurry in getting rid of capitalism

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The criticism of religion leads to the doctrine according to which man is, for man, the supreme being; therefore it reaches the categorical imperative of overthrowing all relationships in which man is a degraded, enslaved, abandoned, contemptible being.
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desire be, desire go
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that post is just a longwinded "you don't understand my subjectivity", which anyone could say, about anything



obviously, which is why dawkins has had about as much success as i have had in my quest to explain to all the johnny come latelys in my locale that dubstep was once a true event and that the shit they like in its name is awul, awful garbage. heretics, all of them, theyll burn one day but in the meantime one can only live a curmudgeonly prophets life

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aerdil posted:
The criticism of religion leads to the doctrine according to which man is, for man, the supreme being; therefore it reaches the categorical imperative of overthrowing all relationships in which man is a degraded, enslaved, abandoned, contemptible being.



Yet something about that feels woefully insufficient with even a cursory glance at the behavior of humanity which could only be described as sickening anf contemptible

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mistersix posted:

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that post is just a longwinded "you don't understand my subjectivity", which anyone could say, about anything

obviously, which is why dawkins has had about as much success as i have had in my quest to explain to all the johnny come latelys in my locale that dubstep was once a true event and that the shit they like in its name is awul, awful garbage. heretics, all of them, theyll burn one day but in the meantime one can only live a curmudgeonly prophets life


that's neither here nor there and besides dawkins didn't set out on a campaign of mass conversion anyway

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dawkins didn't set out on a campaign of mass conversion anyway



lol

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shennong posted:

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dawkins didn't set out on a campaign of mass conversion anyway

lol


in the introduction of his book he says something like that he doesn't expect to convince true believers but rather to convince 'closeted' atheists to 'come out' (as gay) and also possibly persuade people who are on the fence

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shennong posted:

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dawkins didn't set out on a campaign of mass conversion anyway

lol

in the introduction of his book he says something like that he doesn't expect to convince true believers but rather to convince 'closeted' atheists to 'come out' (as gay) and also possibly persuade people who are on the fence



yeah i dunno dude. the guy stopped publishing meaningful work in scientific or other academic journals like 3 decades ago and has since embarked on an intellectually dishonest and roundly criticised campaign to spread an obviously incorrect but elite-flattering theory of natural selection, as well as an effort to pervert biological theory in order to force it to condemn positions on questions that it fairly clearly was never intended to address. i dont know how he personally frames his activity but to me that's proselytising. i mean i guess you could say he's just a mercenary and he doesn't buy it but in that case he's just proselytising on someone else's behalf

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oh he's definitely an evangelist no doubt. he's just not conceited enough to think him and his crack team of alcoholics and racists are going to smash religion with logic words. it's more that he wants to whip up anti-religious sentiment, which he arguably has had some success in.
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yeah fair enough
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that post is just a longwinded "you don't understand my subjectivity", which anyone could say, about anything



the objection of course being that i could just be arguing any kind of bizarre personal hallucination and defend it on those grounds, except that literal billions of other people do understand it, and have demonstrated its truth value in a variety of concrete ways so i'm not really concerned with that

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tardy on these heaters
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tpaine posted:

babyfinland posted:

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that post is just a longwinded "you don't understand my subjectivity", which anyone could say, about anything

the objection of course being that i could just be arguing any kind of bizarre personal hallucination and defend it on those grounds, except that literal billions of other people do understand it, and have demonstrated its truth value in a variety of concrete ways so i'm not really concerned with that

like what



*puts a burrito in your mouth and pokes your nose*

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babyfinland posted:
the objection of course being that i could just be arguing any kind of bizarre personal hallucination and defend it on those grounds, except that literal billions of other people do understand it, and have demonstrated its truth value in a variety of concrete ways so i'm not really concerned with that


then it's fundamentally a rational question of why we should automatically privilege your related experience in ways we wouldn't for others, not an issue of insufficient knowledge of your subjectivity. and honestly i don't find the arguments you give there particularly compelling.

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babyfinland posted:
the objection of course being that i could just be arguing any kind of bizarre personal hallucination and defend it on those grounds, except that literal billions of other people do understand it, and have demonstrated its truth value in a variety of concrete ways so i'm not really concerned with that

then it's fundamentally a rational question of why we should automatically privilege your related experience in ways we wouldn't for others, not an issue of insufficient knowledge of your subjectivity. and honestly i don't find the arguments you give there particularly compelling.



i dont care at all about persuading you or anyone lol. Don't Care Bruh. Me no cares

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From the house of unbelief
to true religion
is a single breath;
From the world of doubt
to certainty
is a single breath;
Enjoy this precious single breath,
for the harvest
of our whole lives
is that same one breath.

- A man much wiser than any of us
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Ugh Bugh I hate proselytizing religious people *insists that religious people proseltyze*
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babyfinland posted:
the objection of course being that i could just be arguing any kind of bizarre personal hallucination and defend it on those grounds, except that literal billions of other people do understand it, and have demonstrated its truth value in a variety of concrete ways so i'm not really concerned with that

then it's fundamentally a rational question of why we should automatically privilege your related experience in ways we wouldn't for others, not an issue of insufficient knowledge of your subjectivity. and honestly i don't find the arguments you give there particularly compelling.



also how does this relate to transgenderism hmmmmmmMMMMMMMM *deep breath*

you basically just reject what you dislike and accept what you like. everyone does this. its fine. just be honest.

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babyfinland posted:
i dont care at all about persuading you or anyone lol. Don't Care Bruh. Me no cares


again the problem isn't that you have to convince people it's that you're a sanctimonious hypocrite

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babyfinland posted:
i dont care at all about persuading you or anyone lol. Don't Care Bruh. Me no cares

again the problem isn't that you have to convince people it's that you're a sanctimonious hypocrite



lol no u

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babyfinland posted:
also how does this relate to transgenderism

you basically just reject what you dislike and accept what you like. everyone does this. its fine. just be honest.


we can talk about that if you want as long as you Care

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babyfinland posted:
also how does this relate to transgenderism

you basically just reject what you dislike and accept what you like. everyone does this. its fine. just be honest.

we can talk about that if you want as long as you Care



i dont

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good nobody does
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so what are you even talking about. go awway you weirdo
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reasons i have left to live: anime, waiting for the next dawkins book, ???
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i care
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talk it out alex
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Everbody cares!
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I Carte Lol therefore I am..
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