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Goethestein posted:

discipline posted:

Goethestein posted:
Live under a military occupation for a week and then claim that police are worse

ok

police are worse hahaha

i forget the last time the NYPD dropped white phosphorous on Harlem



Phillie PD bombed the city in the 80s

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Nippon
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simple facts: the percentage of military members who are white is greater than the general population, among enlisted the army is about 15% less white than general, it's about even in the marines, higher in the navy, much higher in the air force. the white proportion of soldiers who die in iraq and afghanistan, and those who have the most dangerous jobs, is identical to the percentage in the general population. soldiers come mostly from middle-class families, and the rate of absolute poverty amongst soldiers is almost zero, which is unsurprising because such factors that are highly related with poverty, such as disability, obesity, old age, homelessness, serious mental illness, failure to graduate high school, history of felonies, and drug addiction are barriers or disqualifiers for military service. the rate of high school graduation in 18-24 year olds generally is about 70%, as compared to 98% in the enlisted forces. they had other choices, more so than the general population; they chose this one.
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Kurdt
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crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure


this but unironically

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drivel of drunken hags
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crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure


it is not pressure, it is a description of reality

you could erase away any existence of the cop, the soldier, the ceo, and as long as the structures of the current system are in place it would mean nothing. to focus on the "kill all pigs" kind of juvenile revolutionaryism is missing the point in the same way OWS people who think arresting investment bankers will resolve the problems of capitalism.

i'm not discounting one's personal ethics or relative culpability or anything but to try to do so in an analytical or prescriptive way is really dumb

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Mike Nelson here.
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discipline posted:
I'm joining the air force

if you transfer from the CIA do you get automatic promotions to a less-junior officer grade

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tardy on these heaters
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white people are Mad About the Police
#88
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jools posted:

aerdil posted:
yo jools have u read delueze's Postscript on the Societies of Control? its sorta getting at exactly wat ur talkin aboot. also it's only 4 pages hahoheh

lol no is it easy to find



yeahh boi. here it is: dl.lib.brown.edu/reserves/pdffiles/14401_deleuze_control.pdf

enjoy!!!

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Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure

it is not pressure, it is a description of reality

you could erase away any existence of the cop, the soldier, the ceo, and as long as the structures of the current system are in place it would mean nothing. to focus on the "kill all pigs" kind of juvenile revolutionaryism is missing the point in the same way OWS people who think arresting investment bankers will resolve the problems of capitalism.

i'm not discounting one's personal ethics or relative culpability or anything but to try to do so in an analytical or prescriptive way is really dumb


on the other hand what about the social utility of rage

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gyrofry posted:

Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure

it is not pressure, it is a description of reality

you could erase away any existence of the cop, the soldier, the ceo, and as long as the structures of the current system are in place it would mean nothing. to focus on the "kill all pigs" kind of juvenile revolutionaryism is missing the point in the same way OWS people who think arresting investment bankers will resolve the problems of capitalism.

i'm not discounting one's personal ethics or relative culpability or anything but to try to do so in an analytical or prescriptive way is really dumb

on the other hand what about the social utility of rage



it's best redirected towards corporate sports leagues.

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gyrofry posted:

Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure

it is not pressure, it is a description of reality

you could erase away any existence of the cop, the soldier, the ceo, and as long as the structures of the current system are in place it would mean nothing. to focus on the "kill all pigs" kind of juvenile revolutionaryism is missing the point in the same way OWS people who think arresting investment bankers will resolve the problems of capitalism.

i'm not discounting one's personal ethics or relative culpability or anything but to try to do so in an analytical or prescriptive way is really dumb

on the other hand what about the social utility of rage


I funnel my rage into making these great online meme comics

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Nippon
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Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure

it is not pressure, it is a description of reality

you could erase away any existence of the cop, the soldier, the ceo, and as long as the structures of the current system are in place it would mean nothing. to focus on the "kill all pigs" kind of juvenile revolutionaryism is missing the point in the same way OWS people who think arresting investment bankers will resolve the problems of capitalism.

i'm not discounting one's personal ethics or relative culpability or anything but to try to do so in an analytical or prescriptive way is really dumb



while i am not in favor of it, killing police by the hundreds would indeed lead to real structural changes. the vietnam war killed 60,000 men, statistical noise in terms of the size of the population of the united states at the time, and yet it was enough to guarantee that the united states didn't engage in military adventurism of that size for decades, saving millions. the primary reason people were opposed to the Iraq war, and why we did not roll from Iraq onto other nations the way the neoconservatives wanted, was the number of deaths of soldiers in Iraq. the glassy eyes of every dead troop shine brightly like a little pair of nobel peace prizes

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Goethestein posted:

Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure

it is not pressure, it is a description of reality

you could erase away any existence of the cop, the soldier, the ceo, and as long as the structures of the current system are in place it would mean nothing. to focus on the "kill all pigs" kind of juvenile revolutionaryism is missing the point in the same way OWS people who think arresting investment bankers will resolve the problems of capitalism.

i'm not discounting one's personal ethics or relative culpability or anything but to try to do so in an analytical or prescriptive way is really dumb

while i am not in favor of it, killing police by the hundreds would indeed lead to real structural changes. the vietnam war killed 60,000 men, statistical noise in terms of the size of the population of the united states at the time, and yet it was enough to guarantee that the united states didn't engage in military adventurism of that size for decades, saving millions. the primary reason people were opposed to the Iraq war, and why we did not roll from Iraq onto other nations the way the neoconservatives wanted, was the number of deaths of soldiers in Iraq. the glassy eyes of every dead troop shine brightly like a little pair of nobel peace prizes


the lesson of vietnam is that wars should resemble grenada or the first iraq invasion

the lesson of iraq and afgahnistan will be more war robots

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gyrofry posted:

Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure

it is not pressure, it is a description of reality

you could erase away any existence of the cop, the soldier, the ceo, and as long as the structures of the current system are in place it would mean nothing. to focus on the "kill all pigs" kind of juvenile revolutionaryism is missing the point in the same way OWS people who think arresting investment bankers will resolve the problems of capitalism.

i'm not discounting one's personal ethics or relative culpability or anything but to try to do so in an analytical or prescriptive way is really dumb

on the other hand what about the social utility of rage



hate what god hates...

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Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure

it is not pressure, it is a description of reality

you could erase away any existence of the cop, the soldier, the ceo, and as long as the structures of the current system are in place it would mean nothing.



guess what, the cops are the ones who work the hardest to ensure the current system stays in place

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Kurdt
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babyfinland posted:
hate what god hates...


fags?

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drivel of drunken hags
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crustpunk_trotsky posted:

Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:
pity the poor capitalist executive who bleeds the world dry, he only does it because of institutional pressure

it is not pressure, it is a description of reality

you could erase away any existence of the cop, the soldier, the ceo, and as long as the structures of the current system are in place it would mean nothing.

guess what, the cops are the ones who work the hardest to ensure the current system stays in place


hahaha

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Groulxsmith posted:
the lesson of iraq and afgahnistan will be more war robots

i know it's goony to say it but the next generation of killer robots will be terrifying, those fuckin quadrotors and that fuckin robocheetah, all i can say is "jeepers creepers!"

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drivel of drunken hags
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visible displays of authority and brutality are not the same thing as such an abstraction, and it's hard to buy that on the basis of their benefit from it versus others in the system
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drivel of drunken hags
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thirdplace posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
the lesson of iraq and afgahnistan will be more war robots

i know it's goony to say it but the next generation of killer robots will be terrifying, those fuckin quadrotors and that fuckin robocheetah, all i can say is "jeepers creepers!"


a hearty huzzah to our dronebot overlords

#102
tardy on these heaters
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goons work least hardest to maintain the status quo: revolutionary class detected.
#103
tardy on these heaters
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maoism-girth worldism
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Groulxsmith posted:
visible displays of authority and brutality are not the same thing as such an abstraction, and it's hard to buy that on the basis of their benefit from it versus others in the system



that they are willing to risk their health and lives for lower benefit than those higher in the system speaks to their devotion to capitalism and the lengths they will go to fight for it

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it speaks a lot more to the fact that policework is one of the few accessible careers for those without higher education and a lot less about the inherent badness of the cop form
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raven symone has been a robot since 2006
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tardy on these heaters
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i hate marxists
#108
drivel of drunken hags
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crustpunk_trotsky posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
visible displays of authority and brutality are not the same thing as such an abstraction, and it's hard to buy that on the basis of their benefit from it versus others in the system

that they are willing to risk their health and lives for lower benefit than those higher in the system speaks to their devotion to capitalism and the lengths they will go to fight for it


i think it is more than a stretch to suggest that many cops have examined their position w/r/t the state as the exeuctive committee of the bourgeoisie or whatever

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there is a much better, though clearly naive narrative for the police officer doing good than a lot of other careers out there
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Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
visible displays of authority and brutality are not the same thing as such an abstraction, and it's hard to buy that on the basis of their benefit from it versus others in the system

that they are willing to risk their health and lives for lower benefit than those higher in the system speaks to their devotion to capitalism and the lengths they will go to fight for it

i think it is more than a stretch to suggest that many cops have examined their position w/r/t the state as the exeuctive committee of the bourgeoisie or whatever



I think they're generally aware what position in the power structure they inhabit, so long as they treat the white men in suits with respect they get the freedom to lash out against the poors, sickos, women, etc.

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tardy on these heaters
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drivel of drunken hags
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crustpunk_trotsky posted:

Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
visible displays of authority and brutality are not the same thing as such an abstraction, and it's hard to buy that on the basis of their benefit from it versus others in the system

that they are willing to risk their health and lives for lower benefit than those higher in the system speaks to their devotion to capitalism and the lengths they will go to fight for it

i think it is more than a stretch to suggest that many cops have examined their position w/r/t the state as the exeuctive committee of the bourgeoisie or whatever

I think they're generally aware what position in the power structure they inhabit, so long as they treat the white men in suits with respect they get the freedom to lash out against the poors, sickos, women, etc.


out of curiosity, to what extent do you hold people in education in similar contempt for their role in perpetuating an establishment?

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Groulxsmith posted:
there is a much better, though clearly naive narrative for the police officer doing good than a lot of other careers out there



Yeah but at the same time they are genuinely doing good stuff like addressing domestic violence, traffic policing and response etc.

It might be “naïve” but a police officer doing the right thing will see the results of his work much more clearly and immediately then say, an NGO management worker.

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Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:

Groulxsmith posted:

crustpunk_trotsky posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
visible displays of authority and brutality are not the same thing as such an abstraction, and it's hard to buy that on the basis of their benefit from it versus others in the system

that they are willing to risk their health and lives for lower benefit than those higher in the system speaks to their devotion to capitalism and the lengths they will go to fight for it

i think it is more than a stretch to suggest that many cops have examined their position w/r/t the state as the exeuctive committee of the bourgeoisie or whatever

I think they're generally aware what position in the power structure they inhabit, so long as they treat the white men in suits with respect they get the freedom to lash out against the poors, sickos, women, etc.

out of curiosity, to what extent do you hold people in education in similar contempt for their role in perpetuating an establishment?



im getting my doctorate in sociology. im part of the solution, thank you very much.

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you know there would sitll be cops doing a lot of the same cop stuff in whatever socialist paradise you might envision
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Groulxsmith posted:
you know there would sitll be cops doing a lot of the same cop stuff in whatever socialist paradise you might envision



Nah man, we’ll like, have a society where like, we don’t need rules and authority and the cops are all like “yeah brah spark up a doob, go for it, I don’t care, I’m all about non-hierarchical voluntary social justice enforcement now”

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if the people are too busy conducting their ideological purity interrogations then there will be no time to commit crimes. simple no?
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criminals are the woman of the world
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they hold up half the sky~
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Nippon
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cops are cool because they are what becomes of a person after you put it in front of enough of humanity