#14401
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it's irl carl...
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im reading an old edition of "makers of modern strategy",which is aparently the book to read on the making of modern strategy. am laughing though because the newer edition removed the chapter on lenin,trotsky and stalin to replace it with a worse one on genewic soviet military strategy written by condi rice...yet they kept the really racist one about french collonial warfare in
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Just read 'Imperialism in the 21st Century' by John Smith. An essay-length version of the main arguments is here, I almost wish I had just read the essay: https://monthlyreview.org/2015/07/01/imperialism-in-the-twenty-first-century/

One thing I learned that I had no idea about is what Smith calls the 'Investment Strike' whereby transnational corporations are increasingly running themselves for 'cash instead of growth'. The companies 'reinvest' profits into dividends and share buyback schemes instead of R&D, expansion etc. Smith shows how this trend does not bode well for the health of late capitalism.

It certainly makes for good ammunition the next time somebody tries to tell me that 'capitalism spurs innovation'
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anyone have any readings about removal of native american children from their families, reservations, etc? i know a little bit about the 'assimilation' policies in australia so was curious how much is analogous in the USA. especially anything about ideology surrounding who does and doesn't count as native american (e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste#Australia ). cheers.

edit: ah sorta found the equivalent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws
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Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

anyone have any readings about removal of native american children from their families, reservations, etc? i know a little bit about the 'assimilation' policies in australia so was curious how much is analogous in the USA. especially anything about ideology surrounding who does and doesn't count as native american (e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste#Australia ). cheers.

edit: ah sorta found the equivalent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws

i got a friend who is gonna get me some texts but his wife just had a kid so it might be a bit.

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Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

anyone have any readings about removal of native american children from their families, reservations, etc? i know a little bit about the 'assimilation' policies in australia so was curious how much is analogous in the USA. especially anything about ideology surrounding who does and doesn't count as native american (e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste#Australia ). cheers.

edit: ah sorta found the equivalent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws



big deal with the Cherokee right now, who were required by treaty to accept slaves owned by members of the tribe as full members after emancipation but have been attempting to kick their descendants out of the tribe for the last decade. those treaties are jokes for a lot of reasons of course, but it's worth noting that the current effort, like most recent tightening of blood quantum requirements by tribes, is purely economic, as the leadership tries to divide the pie of tribal revenue in bigger pieces for each recipient.

overall it's funny in a gross way how the U.S. government tried to outsource reparations to slaves and their descendants it would never pay itself.

#14408
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predatory for-profit "education" grifters disgust me more than most else, and rich fucking westerners ripping off people in africa probably ranks an even deeper level of hell for all these people
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/in-africa-for-profit-school-chain-plays-legal-hardball_us_58e223bfe4b0ca889ba1a7bc
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Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

anyone have any readings about removal of native american children from their families, reservations, etc? i know a little bit about the 'assimilation' policies in australia so was curious how much is analogous in the USA. especially anything about ideology surrounding who does and doesn't count as native american (e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste#Australia ). cheers.

edit: ah sorta found the equivalent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws

I made a couple posts about this in the Settlers thread and can also answer any particular questions yoy may have

#14410
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I've started Butch Lee and Red Rover's Night Vision - Illuminating War & Class on the Neo-colonial terrain, a boo k i would recomend to anyone who can read
#14411
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catherine malabou is teaching pheno of spirit this quarter at uci and i am now reading fanon's collected essays on african revolution + paul gilroy - postcolonial melancholia + michael perelman - invention of capitalism

side: mckenzie wark who is absolute rubbish when not hiding behind his writing kept obsessing about why capital had to be the dominant category. i asked him to read perelman because he explains primitive accumulation really well. done. i love bitching about academics
#14412
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thirdplace posted:

Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

anyone have any readings about removal of native american children from their families, reservations, etc? i know a little bit about the 'assimilation' policies in australia so was curious how much is analogous in the USA. especially anything about ideology surrounding who does and doesn't count as native american (e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste#Australia ). cheers.

edit: ah sorta found the equivalent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws

I made a couple posts about this in the Settlers thread and can also answer any particular questions yoy may have

no particular questions, i re-read your post in the settlers thread and a lot of it seems broadly analogous to the situation in australia (although i'm sure thats a misleading lens for me to look through in some ways). if you have any general recommendations that'd be good, i have a couple dee brown books here that i haven't read yet...

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#14413
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this recent silicon valley shitshow about a 400$ juicer and its promises (fresh, real time juice and food recall, forreal) got me thinking about how terribly selfishly technologists and others want to reproduce the world to mirror human imagination and values. I was thinking along the lines of pollution as a class equalizer, embracing and dying with the Earth as we kill it and so on (decentering anthropocene). Someone pointed me to Marison de la Cadena's work. Worth a read on hashtag earth day http://supercommunity.e-flux.com/texts/uncommoning-nature/
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Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

thirdplace posted:

Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

anyone have any readings about removal of native american children from their families, reservations, etc? i know a little bit about the 'assimilation' policies in australia so was curious how much is analogous in the USA. especially anything about ideology surrounding who does and doesn't count as native american (e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-caste#Australia ). cheers.

edit: ah sorta found the equivalent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws

I made a couple posts about this in the Settlers thread and can also answer any particular questions yoy may have

no particular questions, i re-read your post in the settlers thread and a lot of it seems broadly analogous to the situation in australia (although i'm sure thats a misleading lens for me to look through in some ways). if you have any general recommendations that'd be good, i have a couple dee brown books here that i haven't read yet...

I don't really know enough about aboriginal history to make too many comparisons. The differences my mind reaches for are that noble savage stereotypes/the pride whites take in having a little (but not too much!) native ancestry here made outright adoption more popular than it might have been there, and that the substantial period were the American state found it convenient to treat tribes as individual sovereigns (both for large-scale land negotiation and to have allies in frontier fights against other nations both native and European) empowered native states and eventually caused the efforts to ameliorate child thefto be channelled in a "empower existing native governments to take over for the white state" direction. But "aboriginals were always just a bunch of atomized/disorganized bands and nobody wanted their black babies" sounds like the kind of thing that could quite possibly be total racist bullshit?!?!

as far as the "ideology surrounding who does and doesn't count as native american" the important possible difference that comes to mind is that "indianness" got somewhat set in stone in the Dawes Act and similar allotment acts of the late 1800s. there was a very direct and straightforward effort at that time to define away native status, as once you allotted land plots out to all the Official Indians you could sell off the remainder to white settlers (altho there were sometimes countervailing considerations, such as the fact that the Indian Agencies were prime patronage gigs, which at times led to things like the sandy lake tragedy). but once they were compiled, the high legibility of those rolls (which are to this day the main basis for calculating blood quantum/native ancestry and ergo tribal enrollment) was never really challenged subsequently. there was still no shortage of assimilation efforts, but even when the cultural ties for a given individual were extinguished there were often still those documented legal/bureaucratic ties, probably placed a lot more effort on changing the nature of the sovereign those ties were to (by either transforming them into nice little facsimiles of the US during the IGA-era (1930s) or by turning them into corporations during the termination era (1950s-60s))

if you're going to dive into the classic Dee Brown stuff, side-reads I would recommend would be things like the journals from De Soto's expeditions, Richard White's Middle Ground, and Winona LaDuke's novel

#14415
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A somewhat painfully complex Maoist situation in India where Maoist rebels use human shields to fight and kill paramilitary forces arguably coming in to protect the same villagers. http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/maoists-used-villagers-as-human-shields-in-sukma/article18210443.ece

Remember someone was reading the Naxalbari Red Sun book.
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On Monday, the Maoists, pretending to be villagers,



This is an important distinction to dismantle, when someone resists the Indian state they are no longer a "villager" or "citizen". This is how the human shield argument comes into creation, when people defend their communities they are no longer part of the community according to the media and the state

#14417
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maoists using villagers as "human shields" says cop after getting brutally owned
#14418
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I vaguely remember this happening when the first landlord seizures started occurring. It comes up a lot in discussions around child soldiers and infrastructure attacks as well. What gets left out is that the Indian (and army is and has been pursuing a population transfer process from rural areas, where the economy is based on subsistence farming or other marginal activities, to overcrowded cities so state-owned logging and mining operations can set up in the depopulated space. No idea what the specifics here are, but I assume this is part of an army offensive going on. Any India watchers here?
#14419
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i am an "india watcher/liver" and the reason why it isn't as simple as police brutality or Indian state/army occupation is because if you go by the word of the local villagers (who may or may not have been coerced), they often pay heavy costs for not participating in the maoist cause. it's easy to say that these are rehearsed arguments about maoism gone perverse but there is life beyond and despite ideology and those who have suffered as collateral damage led to the formation of 'Salwa Judum', a tribal state supported militant group that has brutally attacked and killed the maoists. here are some articles by a mainstream reporter who has done good reporting from the field:

1) http://america.aljazeera.com/multimedia/2015/11/kafka-in-chhattisgarh-the-bureaucratization-of-violence-in-india.html

2) http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/bloody-crossroads

mind you, this is not to take away from the struggle of maoists but it's in fact about the struggle with sustaining resistance year after year and keeping a track of who is interested any more in the same struggle as you. multiple women who wanted to leave were raped and killed.

look up comrade soni sori, a bastar (tribal area) resident and teacher who was raped in prison and recently fought elections with a neocon party called AAP (aam aadmi party translates to common ppl party). https://scroll.in/latest/803911/aam-aadmi-party-leader-soni-sori-attacked-in-chhattisgarh

on the other side, something tragic happened in manipur, also an insurgency prone state in the north-east near china border. a brave woman named irom chanu sharmila had been fasting for 16 years against AFSPA (the law that allows the indian army to arrest and "disappear" people in certain states without warrants). irom gave up fasting this year because she said she needed to revise her methods, she legit fought the state elections, lost her seat so bad that she didn't even get her deposit back. the state was almost won by the fascists controlling federal govt (because the micropolitics of daily life are such that "common people" want the fruits of neoliberalism)

irom declared she would never fight an election again (http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/03/11/why-iron-lady-irom-sharmila-lost-so-badly-in-her-maiden-electi/)
#14420
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for anyone looking to read more and watch more:

1) http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/books/writing-the-revolution
2) https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Highway-Dilip-Simeon/dp/0143414690 (revolution highway)
3) movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazaaron_Khwaishein_Aisi
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for anyone looking to read more:

http://www.bannedthought.net/India/CPI-Maoist-Docs/
#14422
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(not to hijack/digress, a dear friend did this interview and this collection is stark: http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/articles/this-radical-uncertainty-concerning-the-future-a-roundtable-on-iraq-100-and-arabic-sf/)
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spectralmarx posted:

it's easy to say that these are rehearsed arguments about maoism gone perverse but there is life beyond and despite ideology and those who have suffered as collateral damage led to the formation of 'Salwa Judum', a tribal state supported militant group that has brutally attacked and killed the maoists.


Salwa Judum were not formed as some kind of organic response to collateral damage from maoist forces. they were formed as a direct response to the Memorum of Understandings signed with Essar and Tata groups to allow the acquisition of thousands of hectares of land in Chhattisgarh for large scale mining projects. Their political operations were directed toward forcibly expelling, detaining, torturing and executing Adavasi villagers. 350,000 Adivasis from 640 villages were forcibly displaced in the period of 2005-2009, and countless numbers have been detained indefinitely and subject to brutal torture at the hands of the state. the political initiative to found and support Salwa Judum was directed by BJP minister Raman Singh. these were deep state organised contras dedicated to targeting civilian opposition to the mass acquisition of tribal occupied land in large scale mining projects

the idea that this was some kind of purely defensive reaction to militant violence that solely targets maoist presence is pure fantasy and apologia for death squads in service of state terror.

you further allege some widespread phenomenon of sexual violence against adivasi militants who wish to leave the cause and only attempt to substantiate this by pointing to an acid attack against Soni Sori, who has long been a target of Chhattisgarh's political administration and the regional far right for her campaigning against state backed sexual violence, by unidentified assailants

it is f*cked up that this was posted here let alone upvoted

#14424
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whatever floats your boat pal. there's always that "umm actually" so no surprises there. i won't bother correcting your misreading of my description of salwa judum, never called them an "organic" response, simply pointed to the middle zone. and please dont bother posting a kafila article in response ^_^
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same with fantasy and apologia for terror, all your words, not mine, wouldn't be surprised if you went to jnu
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spectralmarx posted:

whatever floats your boat pal. there's always that "umm actually" so no surprises there. i won't bother correcting your misreading of my description of salwa judum, never called them an "organic" response, simply pointed to the middle zone. and please dont bother posting a kafila article in response ^_^


if you are claiming that they are an outcome of adivasi opposition to maoist violence in the villages rather than a state backed and directed initiative of terror than that is what you are arguing, even if you do not use the word "organic" precisely. There is no middle zone when dealing with death squads responsible for mass torture, rape, execution and detention of innocents

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spectralmarx posted:

i am an "india watcher/liver" and the reason why it isn't as simple as police brutality or Indian state/army occupation is because if you go by the word of the local villagers (who may or may not have been coerced), they often pay heavy costs for not participating in the maoist cause. it's easy to say that these are rehearsed arguments about maoism gone perverse but there is life beyond and despite ideology and those who have suffered as collateral damage led to the formation of 'Salwa Judum', a tribal state supported militant group that has brutally attacked and killed the maoists. here are some articles by a mainstream reporter who has done good reporting from the field:

1) http://america.aljazeera.com/multimedia/2015/11/kafka-in-chhattisgarh-the-bureaucratization-of-violence-in-india.html

2) http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/bloody-crossroads

mind you, this is not to take away from the struggle of maoists but it's in fact about the struggle with sustaining resistance year after year and keeping a track of who is interested any more in the same struggle as you. multiple women who wanted to leave were raped and killed.

look up comrade soni sori, a bastar (tribal area) resident and teacher who was raped in prison and recently fought elections with a neocon party called AAP (aam aadmi party translates to common ppl party). https://scroll.in/latest/803911/aam-aadmi-party-leader-soni-sori-attacked-in-chhattisgarh

on the other side, something tragic happened in manipur, also an insurgency prone state in the north-east near china border. a brave woman named irom chanu sharmila had been fasting for 16 years against AFSPA (the law that allows the indian army to arrest and "disappear" people in certain states without warrants). irom gave up fasting this year because she said she needed to revise her methods, she legit fought the state elections, lost her seat so bad that she didn't even get her deposit back. the state was almost won by the fascists controlling federal govt (because the micropolitics of daily life are such that "common people" want the fruits of neoliberalism)

irom declared she would never fight an election again (http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/03/11/why-iron-lady-irom-sharmila-lost-so-badly-in-her-maiden-electi/)



What is this fascist shit?

#14428
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Turns out when you use bourgeois sources you get a bourgeois worldview!
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if Green Hunt contras were sincerely motivated by violence against Adivasi villagers they probably wouldn't join death squads which indiscriminately and intentionally target them. in my opinion of course.
#14430
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yawn
#14431
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spectralmarx posted:

same with fantasy and apologia for terror, all your words, not mine, wouldn't be surprised if you went to jnu



stay in your lane

#14432
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Cute? No fucking shill call me fash by invoking conspire theories and Godwin laws. Since above posting is post fact and relies on blanket statements about adivasis I'll leave it here. Seen plenty of upper class jnu performers. If you can't appreciate micro politics and murky situations not my problem.
#14433
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And if you guys seriously willing to dismiss an actual attack that used villagers as simply biased media that's a veritable pity. Fuck CRPF but you're not allowed to pick and choose news.
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The only conspiracy theory i can see here is you implying (unless i misunderstood you) that the unidentified attackers of Soni sori were maoists motivated by some purported betrayal
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spectralmarx posted:

And if you guys seriously willing to dismiss an actual attack that used villagers as simply biased media that's a veritable pity. Fuck CRPF but you're not allowed to pick and choose news.


The attack "used villagers" in the same sense the IDF alleges Hamas "use civilians"

#14436
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Lol dude Soni Sori was raped and tortured by the state and police. As recent as the black ink attack. Again not sure what you're high on. That also doesn't negate her activism for AAP and not the Left parties per se. I've met her personally and only ever have respect for her. N Sundar has written plenty on the choices that residents of Bastar, Sukma etc are caught between. Again read carefully first. Also Bela Bhatia and Jean Dreze being harassed and the scroll reporter. Except just saying adivasis support the maoists would be inadequate and inaccurate.
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spectralmarx posted:

Cute? No fucking shill call me fash by invoking conspire theories and Godwin laws. Since above posting is post fact and relies on blanket statements about adivasis I'll leave it here. Seen plenty of upper class jnu performers. If you can't appreciate micro politics and murky situations not my problem.



It has already been pointed out to you that your terminology is bourgeois propaganda used completely uncritically but this is something special. Anyone who questions the narrative that Indian maoists use human shields (the propaganda line of the fascist government to justify noliberal ethnic cleansing) is now a fascist supporting the government. "Murky situations" is also the exact logic of imperialists in Syria to confuse the very clear lines between imperialism and anti-imperialism. Everything you've said it's nonsense and this is not the place you will get away with it because people don't know or are conflict averse.

#14438
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Please point to sources instead of rehearsing the obvious anti state position. At some point you will have to find a non state source right? Otherwise your confidence is coming out of your ass. The statement that vills were caught in crossfire and used as guards isn't mine. It's reported using statements from villagers (like I said possibly coerced but maybe not)
#14439
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Pls go back to playing with your balls in a corner.

babyhueypnewton posted:

spectralmarx posted:

Cute? No fucking shill call me fash by invoking conspire theories and Godwin laws. Since above posting is post fact and relies on blanket statements about adivasis I'll leave it here. Seen plenty of upper class jnu performers. If you can't appreciate micro politics and murky situations not my problem.

It has already been pointed out to you that your terminology is bourgeois propaganda used completely uncritically but this is something special. Anyone who questions the narrative that Indian maoists use human shields (the propaganda line of the fascist government to justify noliberal ethnic cleansing) is now a fascist supporting the government. "Murky situations" is also the exact logic of imperialists in Syria to confuse the very clear lines between imperialism and anti-imperialism. Everything you've said it's nonsense and this is not the place you will get away with it because people don't know or are conflict averse.


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babyhueypnewton posted:

multiple women who wanted to leave were raped and killed.

look up comrade soni sori, a bastar (tribal area) resident and teacher who was raped in prison



This is what your said. Can't read more carefully than to understand that these two sentences follow each other to imply that not only are women who attempt to leave the maoists raped and killed (what a progressive idea you've presented! Everyone who doesn't agree is a fascist!) but that soni sori is an example of this. You've backtracked on that because it's not true but your original post says nothing about the state and police being responsible and heavily implies the opposite.