roseweird posted:

MadMedico posted:

LOL they actually send people to a fucking ranch jesus christ.

she said they send children to a ranch. like, children who were sold into sex slavery, and now are out of it. they go to a ranch, is what i think she was saying. what is wrong with you madmedico

Why do they need to be sent to some facility? Besides there's probably a bunch of arbitrary qualifications they have to meet for example if they're a "repeat offender" they just send them to regular whore jail.

HenryKrinkle posted:

why do you keep assuming the absolute worst about anti-prostitution forces

Cause it's well documented

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/guest-columnist-molli-desi-part-one/

WITH a sensational story of surviving child sex slavery in Cambodia, Somaly Mam became a worldwide icon, the best-selling author of a memoir and the head of a foundation raising millions in the name of saving girls and women from the sex trade, victims she recounted rescuing in dramatic brothel raids. Last year, introducing the State Department’s annual “Trafficking in Persons” report, Secretary of State John Kerry called Ms. Mam “a hero every single day.”

But all this wasn’t true. A Newsweek cover story last week found inconsistencies and flat-out fraud in Ms. Mam’s story of being abducted and forced to work in a brothel as a child — instead, former neighbors said she came to their village with her parents and graduated from high school, later sitting for a teacher’s exam — and in the stories of women she said she had rescued by the thousands. Ms. Mam even said traffickers had kidnapped her teenage daughter — but the girl’s father said she ran away with her boyfriend.

On Wednesday, Somaly Mam resigned from her own foundation.

The consequences of her fables will prove harder to correct. Ms. Mam and her foundation banked on Western feel-good demands for intervention, culminating in abusive crackdowns on the people she claimed to save.

The International Labor Organization estimates that more than three times as many people are trafficked into work like domestic, garment and agricultural labor than those trafficked for sex. I’ve interviewed human-rights advocates in Phnom Penh since 2007, and they raised concerns about Ms. Mam’s distortion of this reality. Her portrayal of all sex workers as victims in need of saving encouraged raids and rescue operations that only hurt the sex workers themselves.

In 2008, Cambodia enacted new prohibitions on commercial sex, after the country was placed on a watch list by the State Department. In brutal raids on brothels and in parks, as reported by the Asia Pacific Network of Sex Workers in a 2008 documentary, women were chased down, detained and assaulted. The State Department commended Cambodia for its law and removed the country from the watch list.

Human Rights Watch later conducted interviews with 94 sex workers in Cambodia for a 2010 report. “Two days after my arrival, I was caught when I tried to escape,” one woman said. “Five guards beat me up. When I used my arms to shield my face and head from their blows, they beat my arms. The guard threatened to slit our throats if we tried to escape a second time, and said our bodies would be cremated there.”

She was describing a “rescue” and detention at the Prey Speu Social Affairs center near Phnom Penh. Human Rights Watch urged the Cambodian government “to suspend provisions in the 2008 Law on Suppression of Human Trafficking and Sexual Exploitation that facilitate police harassment and abuses.”

These are the women whose stories are not told in an anti-trafficking fund-raising pitch. Some of the “victims” whom Ms. Mam said she saved then attempted to escape from her shelters, only to have her claim to the press that they had been “kidnapped.” She later apologized for a 2012 speech before the United Nations General Assembly in which she asserted that the Cambodian Army had killed eight girls after a raid on her shelters.

Ms. Mam’s stories were told in interviews with journalists including Nicholas Kristof, an Op-Ed columnist for The New York Times. She attracted high-profile supporters: There were benefits thrown by Susan Sarandon; Sheryl Sandberg, the Facebook chief operating officer, is on the advisory board of her foundation. Ms. Mam’s target audience of well-off Westerners, eager to do good, often knows little about the sex trade. It doesn’t require much for them to imagine all women who sell sex as victims in need of rescue.

Much of the cited data on trafficking is based on shaky estimates, and many conflate all sex work with trafficking. A 2003 study funded by the Agency for International Development used actual counts to estimate that 88 percent of female sex workers in Cambodia had not experienced coercion. A 2009 analysis of suspected trafficking cases reported by nongovernmental organizations in Cambodia concluded that 76 percent “had a prior knowledge that they would engage in prostitution-related activities.”

When Mira Sorvino arrived with CNN last year to film sex workers undercover in Phnom Penh, Ros Sokunthy of the Women’s Network for Unity told the Asian Correspondent news site that this approach was part of the problem: “You show the face of the mother, who is so poor that she has to sell her daughter for money? How does this help the daughter or mother? It doesn’t. It helps the NGO to make money.”

Ending abuse in the sex trade requires action that is less telegenic than a photo op or a gala. Last week, the International Labor Organization issued a new report on forced labor and recommendations to combat it with the collection of accurate data, effective protection of victims, and the support of workers in their own organizing. It’s a broader fight against poverty, inequality and vulnerability that goes far beyond a brothel’s walls.

A “hero” like Ms. Mam lets those who lift her up feel that they are heroes, too. They can be saviors simply by repeating her stories and swiping their cards. Now Ms. Mam has been exposed before her donors and the Western media who anointed her and made fighting sex trafficking a kind of industry in itself, while sex workers suffered the consequences. Will Ms. Mam’s supporters consider the price of what they’ve been sold?

glomper_stomper posted:

so remind me why madmedico and bhpn haven't been tossed into tfp yet for being mongoloid rapists? lf cred or what

lifestyle criticism is subreformist

discipline posted:

I have always wanted to run this site without bans.

Let me tell you about a man named Goatstein...

discipline posted:

Hi Guys, Real Talk for a second...

So I've banned MadMedico because he has been stalking me and threatening me with my own personal information. He has been doing this with other female posters as well. This is totally unacceptable behavior. Unfortunately it's something most strong minded women who share their political views have to deal with sometimes. Since this is a space where I'd like to encourage such women and their participation, I am getting rid of him. This is the first time I've ever done this to someone not a spammer or malicious user. If anyone has a problem with this please feel free to voice it here.

Best,
K

You should do this to dead ken the next time xhe wants to stand at the piddling little intersection of erotic art avenue and porno street spamming the western artistic history of genitals in women's face to cleanse them of american prudishness

aerdil posted:

honestly id expect a ban for creepy "doxing" stuff autistic goons seem to enjoy doing even against a male user if it crosses over into threatening real life stalking; and i'm pretty much 99% against bans. the gender aspect just adds an extra oomph to it

There's a misused semicolon. You best lose either it or the conjunction; there's no additional option available in this context. Shitfun

Lykourgos posted:

what's doxing mean

goon nerd speak for posting someone's personal real life information over the internet