TheIneff posted:I wish being an Empire apologist was as bad as like misgendering someome
someone told me that Israel was morally superior to Palestine because in Israel youre "allowed to be gay" so i did the math and worked out exactly how many gay Palestinian children Israel was murdering in Blast-related hate crimes every single day
http://www.theonion.com/articles/israels-hamas-disregard-for-palestinian-life-align,36531/
getfiscal posted:The Onion: Israel’s, Hamas’ Disregard For Palestinian Life Aligning Nicely
http://www.theonion.com/articles/israels-hamas-disregard-for-palestinian-life-align,36531/
http://www.smh.com.au/world/after-a-reported-17-warnings-on-shelter-location-israeli-artillery-hits-gaza-school-killing-19-20140731-zyr1v.html posted:Jabalia, Gaza: Four donkeys lay dead at the gate of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School in Gaza, the first indication of the bloody human toll inside.
c_man posted:lol someone i know post news about israel/palestine from jerusalem post but news about ukraine from russia today.
ya i follow someone just like that on twitter, its funny
Petrol posted:http://www.smh.com.au/world/after-a-reported-17-warnings-on-shelter-location-israeli-artillery-hits-gaza-school-killing-19-20140731-zyr1v.html posted:Jabalia, Gaza: Four donkeys lay dead at the gate of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School in Gaza, the first indication of the bloody human toll inside.
The attack was carried out during a four-hour ''humanitarian lull'' announced by the Israeli Defence Force – it had warned ''the humanitarian window will not apply to the areas in which IDF soldiers are currently operating''
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I wager that, due to sharpening contradictions of the imperial system, many nations are distancing themselves from Israel and even the American bloc, and much more favorable coverage is surfacing for the Palestinians despite a global rise in ultraright forces. I think I posted about this, but even the FSA is like releasing little viral videos about Those Poor Palestinians while they're massacring Muslims and Christians and totally ignoring the Zionist Entity
Superabound posted:i dont think its that the Palestinians are better at waging social media war than Israel (if that were true then none of this would be happening, and absolutely nobody has anything as effective, well funded, and extensive as Hasbara), its just that because of social media the public's knowledge of whats going on over there is now only 99% dominated by and filtered through beclawed Israeli hands, rather than the previous 100%
uh they definitely are better at waging social media war because they are facing down billions of dollars of propaganda and oligopoly media control. people don't live in some kind of 'objective reality bubble' where they see information and evaluate it scientifically. its hard propaganda work to 'claw back' that 1% from a genocidal state power backed by a global imperial bloc.
littlegreenpills posted:when is propaganda not propaganda? when everything in it is actually true lol
you guys can not be this stupid
Crow posted:littlegreenpills posted:when is propaganda not propaganda? when everything in it is actually true lol
you guys can not be this stupid
"true" as the concept of a pure objective retelling of events doesn't exist but that doesn't mean the content inside of the framework isn't a factor of influence
Superabound posted:like i think the small gains in public perception being made are more of a result of the combination of the shocking level of Israel's actual crimes/dwindling believability, and people getting tired of staying silent and living in social fear of being called an antisemite for opposing the mass murder of children and saying enough is enough, rather than Palestinians suddenly figuring out how to "do" propaganda or w/e
the result of 'the public' even *knowing* about the "shocking levels of Israel's actual crimes" is the result of Palestinian propaganda, agitation and organizing. political work, which you 'communists' and "Rhizzoners" are supposed to know about
like you guys think the American people just naturally figured this stuff out themselves without Palestinians doing serious work? that's a colonial conceit. Palestinians aren't just victims, theyre resisting and fighting back
Superabound posted:saying theyre better at "waging social media war" makes it seem like youre saying theyre somehow tactically manipulating the masses more effectively than the Israeli/US controlled media, which obviously is not true. theyre simply getting out footage and photos of the reality of whats happening, which is something theyve only recently even been able to do. by any reasonable metric Israel is still dominating the public discourse on this conflict. Palestinians are still struggling to get most people to even see them as actual human beings
no, saying theyre "better at waging social media war" is like saying guerillas are better at waging warfare than large occupying armies when theyre gaining ground relative to their previous position
Crow posted:Superabound posted:like i think the small gains in public perception being made are more of a result of the combination of the shocking level of Israel's actual crimes/dwindling believability, and people getting tired of staying silent and living in social fear of being called an antisemite for opposing the mass murder of children and saying enough is enough, rather than Palestinians suddenly figuring out how to "do" propaganda or w/e
the result of 'the public' even *knowing* about the "shocking levels of Israel's actual crimes" is the result of Palestinian propaganda, agitation and organizing. political work, which you 'communists' and "Rhizzoners" are supposed to know about
like you guys think the American people just naturally figured this stuff out themselves without Palestinians doing serious work? that's a colonial conceit. Palestinians aren't just victims, theyre resisting and fighting back
No ones saying the American people managed to objectively figure things out on their own or that Palestinians aren't actively involved in shaping the discourse about them. I don't know who you're mad at, but i don't see him posting here
Superabound posted:i dont think its that the Palestinians are better at waging social media war than Israel (if that were true then none of this would be happening, and absolutely nobody has anything as effective, well funded, and extensive as Hasbara), its just that because of social media the public's knowledge of whats going on over there is now only 99% dominated by and filtered through beclawed Israeli hands, rather than the previous 100%
they also havent updated their propaganda lines since Noam chomskys essays against them in the 1980s, they are literally the exact same lines from decades ago becausr they got lazy i guess. also i dont know the material reasons but netanyahus people have been uncharacteristically nasty toward the u.s. administration in name-withheld interviews lately which allows an opening for the left-liberal u.s. press to pretend to be on the left and bolster their crappy failing businesses.
Superabound posted:like i think the small gains in public perception being made are more of a result of the combination of the shocking level of Israel's actual crimes/dwindling believability, and people getting tired of staying silent and living in social fear of being called an antisemite for opposing the mass murder of children and saying enough is enough, rather than Palestinians suddenly figuring out how to "do" propaganda or w/e
no its definitely Palestinian people doing the struggle. whitey wouldnt do shit otherwise, wouldnt even know it was happening.
Crow posted:the result of 'the public' even *knowing* about the "shocking levels of Israel's actual crimes" is the result of Palestinian propaganda, agitation and organizing. political work, which you 'communists' and "Rhizzoners" are supposed to know about
like you guys think the American people just naturally figured this stuff out themselves without Palestinians doing serious work? that's a colonial conceit. Palestinians aren't just victims, theyre resisting and fighting back
"propaganda" has distinctly and purely negative connotations in this, the Year of Our Lord 2014. its called journalism now
daddyholes posted:they also havent updated their propaganda lines since Noam chomskys essays against them in the 1980s, they are literally the exact same lines from decades ago becausr they got lazy i guess. also i dont know the material reasons but netanyahus people have been uncharacteristically nasty toward the u.s. administration in name-withheld interviews lately which allows an opening for the left-liberal u.s. press to pretend to be on the left and bolster their crappy failing businesses.
yeah, its nice seeing how every time an "unnamed source in the Israeli government" calls Kerry a "terrorist" or Obama a "spearchucking Muzzie-loving monkey-boy" it instantly gives the stockholmed US media pundits a bit more Breathing Room to suggest that indiscriminately carpet bombing civilians might not be a very nice thing to do. Israel is doing this to itself *insets Latuff cartoon of a Divine Wind blowing a bomb labeled "Hubris" back up Bibbis bunghole*
