Ukrainian parliamentary elections update: with 95.34% counted, by official count the nationalist Svoboda is at 4.73%, just short of the 5% cutoff. They claim their own counts show them making it in, so expect nasty lawsuits.
pwned
Tokyo_Sexwale was probated until (Nov. 6, 2014 03:01:26) for this post!
Ronnski posted:Ok a week? 2 weeks ago? I said Jazenjuk was a marginal party but this spiegel article ( http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wahlen-ukraine-petro-poroschenko-liegt-vorne-a-999360.html ) claims an outlook of 23% to Poroshenkos party, and 21% (!) to Jazenjuk (remember this is the party employing notable holocaust deniers and straight up fascists) with his national front party.
Currently der spiegel has decided on framing it as a "decisive victory for pro-europeans"!
Ah yes, the notable fascist Iatseniuk party, led by jewish person Iatseniuk
Tokyo_Sexwale was probated until (Nov. 6, 2014 22:30:36) for this post!
like, if you want fascisms why would you vote for a party that maybe has some fascists in it (according to a blog Ronnie found linked on facebook) instead of voting for the straight-up fascist partei. doesn't make sense, sorry
for more see Wix dot com, a gigantic bizarre empty dnipropetrovsk/israeli/american shell of a Web company with terrible customer reviews that got massive IPO funding out of nowhere and is now the major sponsor of the anti-russia power hour on Npr in the u.s., where they explain that russia is going to conquer Europe and the Dilma government is going to have to deregulate and pleasure the business class even though it won the election, and npr is hardly their biggest target. Big push on that one
propaganda on the elections in brazil has everything to do with fascists in kiev because they are the same companies. bounding the debate nationally or regionally using borders that capital barely respects borders on the pathological if you want to stake any claim to class analysis
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Tokyo_Sexwale posted:Ronnski posted:Ok a week? 2 weeks ago? I said Jazenjuk was a marginal party but this spiegel article ( http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wahlen-ukraine-petro-poroschenko-liegt-vorne-a-999360.html ) claims an outlook of 23% to Poroshenkos party, and 21% (!) to Jazenjuk (remember this is the party employing notable holocaust deniers and straight up fascists) with his national front party.
Currently der spiegel has decided on framing it as a "decisive victory for pro-europeans"!Ah yes, the notable fascist Iatseniuk party, led by jewish person Iatseniuk
I think you might be confusing Fascism with Anti-Semitism, and then also confusing Anti-Semitism with both Anti-Jewism and Anti-Zionism
Tokyo_Sexwale posted:anyway, if Ukrainians wanted fascism tehy would have voted for the outright, honest-to-god fascist parties, I mean there's 2 of them and they've been so high profile lately it's not like they're unknowns.
like, if you want fascisms why would you vote for a party that maybe has some fascists in it (according to a blog Ronnie found linked on facebook) instead of voting for the straight-up fascist partei. doesn't make sense, sorry
most people who support fascism and hold fascists beliefs do so without actually consciously realizing it, and while still being superficially repulsed by the Big Bad Scary Hollywood-Style Facism of rows of people literally goosestepping down the street wearing swastika armbands. hth
Open Ukraine
Arseniy Yatsenuk heads the Open Ukraine Foundation, an international foundation based in Ukraine. It was established in July 2007 for the "strengthening and development of Ukraine's reputation in the world." Open Ukraine works with the young generation of artists, scholars and community leaders who seek to implement social changes in the different regions.
Open Ukraine is partnered with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the United States Department of State and Chatham House, among other organizations.
Superabound posted:Tokyo_Sexwale posted:anyway, if Ukrainians wanted fascism tehy would have voted for the outright, honest-to-god fascist parties, I mean there's 2 of them and they've been so high profile lately it's not like they're unknowns.
like, if you want fascisms why would you vote for a party that maybe has some fascists in it (according to a blog Ronnie found linked on facebook) instead of voting for the straight-up fascist partei. doesn't make sense, sorrymost people who support fascism and hold fascists beliefs do so without actually consciously realizing it, and while still being superficially repulsed by the Big Bad Scary Hollywood-Style Facism of rows of people literally goosestepping down the street wearing swastika armbands. hth
in the case of ukraine, and especially west ukraine, decades of indoctrination in anti-russian soft fascism (the holodomor myth, rehabilitation of the OUN-UPA as freedom fighters, general neoliberal anti-communism) probably has something to do with it. for the extremists, there's svoboda. for everyone else, there's mastercard
TheIneff posted:the authoritarian personality - by superabound
ive already written several weird fiction tales thematically centered around systems of subrosan fascism operating unconsciously and invisibily upon the strange and dispossesed under my pen name, Phillip K. Penis
Tokyo_Sexwale posted:anyway, if Ukrainians wanted fascism tehy would have voted for the outright, honest-to-god fascist parties, I mean there's 2 of them and they've been so high profile lately it's not like they're unknowns.
like, if you want fascisms why would you vote for a party that maybe has some fascists in it (according to a blog Ronnie found linked on facebook) instead of voting for the straight-up fascist partei. doesn't make sense, sorry
i googled it before i posted the article and it even said so on wikipedia http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrij_Parubij that he ran on 4th of the voting list for jazenjuks party
I couldnt find a line stating that on the english wiki though??? So im gonna see if theres more evidence that he ran for that party. Also I do not have a facebook and instead of something grafted from a blog I took it from a longstanding news source that to my knowledge has never printed full on bullshit at me which is a step up from the rest of the ~reputable german media~ that outright lied and called everyone criticizing it a putin fifth columnist!
http://nfront.org.ua/komanda
apparently this is the website of the national front party. the fourth little bubble on the bottom shows you 'Андрій Парубій' which im pretty sure is the andrij in question if my knowledge of cyrillic doesnt betray me. seems legit?
http://en.ria.ru/politics/20141025/194558443/The-Peoples-Front-Party-of-Ukraine-Facts-and-Details.html
Petrol posted:
well, haha, okay. it's all russias fault. that's one way of looking at it.
oh? what's the other way?
well, the worst things that are happening there, especially the nazi stuff, the resurgence of actual nazis doing brutal murders, this is absolutely the fault of europe and america, they have directly sponsored this. and the bigger picture is nato's eastward expansion...
oh, okay, we're going to use big terminology are we??
uh, haha, okay. well, nato has been steadily encroaching on eastern europe, ukraine is a big part of that. and russia, look, i'm not saying putin's an angel!! but russia is naturally going to respond, they also have to defend themselves.
right. okay.
you don't know what nato is capable of.
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i used this tactic with some of my insane backwoods family and they were like "wow that was really insightful shriekingviolet, we hadn't thought of it that way. it's obvious to us now that the problem is the jews" so uhhhhhhh maybe it almost worked? ;_;
TheIneff posted:lol do you seriously need to use that tactic outside of the country too? I just kind of took it for granted that anyone not living in its borders assumes that the U.S. takes unilaterally, unprovoked, military action to maintain hegemony basically all the time.
in my experience a lot of the australian 'left' stopped being skpetical of US power as soon as Bush left office
TheIneff posted:lol do you seriously need to use that tactic outside of the country too? I just kind of took it for granted that anyone not living in its borders assumes that the U.S. takes unilaterally, unprovoked, military action to maintain hegemony basically all the time.
surprisingly enough, it turns out that nato's hegemonic narrative extends out from the US to other nato client states. who'da thunk that the western imperialist powers were all working together!!!
Urbandale posted:That's why it starts with 4 US Influence in Twilight Struggle
my favorite one of the series