#1
(splitting from discussion in sevastopol thread)

this week has been a boon for propaganda trainspotters. here's some hot new highlights

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/iran-troops-to-join-syria-war-russia-bombs-group-trained-by-cia/6821822 posted:

Russia bombs group in Syria trained by CIA; Iranian ground troops deployed to join war

Hassan Haj Ali, head of the Liwa Suqour al-Jabal rebel group which is part of the Free Syrian Army, said one of the targets was his group's base in Idlib province, struck by around 20 missiles in two separate raids.

His fighters had been trained by the CIA in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, part of a program Washington says is aimed at supporting groups that oppose both Islamic State and Assad.

"Russia is challenging everyone and saying there is no alternative to Bashar," Haj Ali said. He said the Russian jets had been identified by members of his group who once served as Syrian air force pilots.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-vehemently-defends-syrian-airstrikes-and-denies-targeting-us--backed-rebels/2015/10/01/cddada92-67af-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html posted:

One strike hit the outskirts of Kafr Nabl, a town that has won renown as a symbol of the peaceful protest movement against Assad family rule. The local council there receives U.S. assistance, and the local rebels have received support under a covert CIA program aimed at bolstering moderate rebels.

The strike hit a training camp for a U.S.-vetted group called Suqour al-Jabal located beside Roman remains on the outskirts of the town, according to activists in the area. Raed Fares, a leader of the protest movement in Kafr Nabl, said the explosion was bigger than anything local residents had seen in three years of airstrikes conducted by Syrian warplanes.

“It was like a nuclear bomb,” he said. “It made a fire six kilometers wide.”




http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/01/russia-launches-fresh-airstrikes-on-syria-targets posted:

Syrian civil defence volunteers put the total civilian death toll from Wednesday’s strikes on Homs and Hama at 40, including eight children.

The volunteer group said thermobaric missiles were used and claimed that they struck a public market, bread distribution point and administrative buildings in Homs, as well as civilian homes.

“We can’t believe an even more advanced military power has arrived in Syria to kill civilians,” said one civil defence volunteer in a statement issued by his organisation.







http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-most-dangerous-job-in-the-world-syrias-elite-rescue-force-20141210 posted:

Sweating in the 104-degree heat in Adana, Turkey, former British infantry officer James Le Mesurier is training a group of average Syrians to become members of the U.S.-funded Syria Civil Defense (SCD) team, an elite crew of battle-ready first responders...

To help save Syrians on the front line, the U.S. has funded $13 million so far in humanitarian aid to civil defense teams like the SCD. "It's one of the most important things we can do to increase the effectiveness and legitimacy of civil authorities in liberated areas of Syria," says Mark Ward, a senior State Department official leading the U.S. government's Syria assistance team. "It enables Syrian civilians to do something tangible in the face of the regime's atrocities. There's nothing that brings a community together more than efforts to rescue people."


https://archive.is/2JiSp posted:

Mark S. Ward is the Director of the Syrian Transition Assistance and Response Team (START), which is based out of U.S. Embassy Ankara and is responsible for coordinating all U.S. assistance to Syria from Turkey. Prior to this role, he served as the Deputy Special Coordinator in the Office of Middle East Transition at the U.S. Department of State, the office that coordinates all civilian assistance to Middle Eastern countries in transition to democracy. Mr. Ward is a Career Minister in the Senior Foreign Service of the United States.

Mr. Ward was also on detail to the United Nations Mission in Libya (UNSMIL) from September 2011 to February 2012 as Senior Advisor to the head of the UNSMIL on coordination with the international community.



“We can’t believe an even more advanced military power has arrived in Syria to kill civilians,” said one civil defence volunteer in a statement issued by his organisation.

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#3
http://www.rt.com/news/317188-putin-civilian-casualties-syria/

Putin: Claims Russian jets killed civilians in Syria emerged before airstrikes

Reports of alleged casualties among civilians caused by Russian airstrikes in Syria emerged even before Russian warplanes were launched for their first combat mission, President Vladimir Putin said, branding such reports 'information attacks.'


“Other nations have been bombing Syrian territory for over a year,” Putin told the Russian human rights council on Thursday, stressing that the US-led coalition invades the Syrian airspace with no UN mandate or invitation from Damascus.

“We have such an invitation and we intend to fight against terrorist organizations and them only,” Putin added.

The Russian leader also commented on the alleged civilian casualties caused by Russian warplanes in Syria.

“As for media reports claiming that the civilian population is suffering, we are prepared for such information attacks. The first reports about civilian casualties emerged even before our planes got in the air,” he said.

Dozens of videos allegedly showing the aftermath of Russian bombings of residential areas in Syria surfaced online on Wednesday, after Moscow announced a bombing campaign designed to help Syrian government forces fight the Islamic State terrorist group.

Russia believes them to be information warfare, and has called on the media and foreign officials to carefully verify information coming from Syria before judging it truthful.

Putin added that the US and Russia must establish a mechanism for sharing information about military action in Syria, which would allow the two nations to root out false reports.

“That’s why we are establishing contact between our special services and those of the US, between our military departments,” he said. “I hope it will result in the establishing of some permanent mechanism.”

On Thursday, the Russian Defense Ministry reported hitting 12 targets belonging to the IS terrorist group since starting military action in Syria.

The tasks set for the Russian Air Force in Syria over the last 24 hours have been “fully completed,” said Igor Klimov, a Russian Air Force spokesman.

“Recorders’ data showed that Russian airstrikes hit only the targets belonging to IS terrorist group infrastructure,"
Klimov said as cited by TASS.

The country's forces neither planned nor carried out any attacks against civilian infrastructure, he added.

The Russian effort is designed to provide air support to the Syria army, which is struggling to contain the spread of jihadist militants in the war-torn country.

Syrian military provides intelligence on prospective targets for Russian forces in Syria, which is double-checked before clearance is given to deliver a strike, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

#4
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/04/seven-steps-of-highly-effective-manipulators/

a few NY-based PR firms are the impetus behind a lot of these reports, of course. basically following the playbook of the lead up to the first gulf war.

i know i tune out anytime i hear the word "barrel bombs", it's pretty much the new incubator babies

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#5
lol and looks like RT found the syrian Eliot Higgins


higgins who btw has gone full anti-russian in case u need to see how crass his useful idiot-ism has become
#6

aerdil posted:

lol and looks like RT found the syrian Eliot Higgins



too bad mustang stole the RT rhizzone account or they would have read about him months ago

#7

e: also the kissinger one hahahaha how is there a single person who doesn't know higgins is a spook
#8
at this point there's so much noise about what is actually happening in syria that the news reports might as well just say "BOOM LOL BOOM BOOM LOL LOL" for a few months and then let us know that the cleansing is finished and white people can move in to get the slaves pumping oil again westward or eastward whichever the case may be
#9
and all i have to do is sit here and sip my venti soy 150-degree pumpkin spice latte with extra whip. heck it's good to be rich and white
#10
Russia claims! Russia claims!
#11
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#12
wage peace, friends!
#13

discipline posted:

AMA

Can you explain all this crap I read in the news about terrorist?

#14
no bomb but class bomb
#15
Obama Sees Russia Failing in Syria Effort
New York Times - ‎3 hours ago‎


obama, the man who spent $50,000,000 to train 5 moderate rebels, and whose opposition of the syrian state has allowed years of isis-led civil war, sees russia failing
#16
lets check out the current top stories on google news...

Cameron Adds to Criticism of Russian Airstrikes in Syria
Wall Street Journal - ‎1 hour ago‎
U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron added his voice to criticism of Russia's military action in Syria on Saturday, as Russian warplanes continued to carry out airstrikes in the war-torn country.

KABUL, Afghanistan - A hospital run by Doctors Without Borders in Kunduz was badly damaged early Saturday after being hit by what appears to have been an American airstrike, At least 19 people were killed, including 12 hospital staff members, and ...

#17
yeah that hospital bombing is pretty horrific, i'm pretty numb to news of weddings getting blown up, kids of the beach being torn to shreds, but those photos are still pretty shocking

(it's because white people died.)
#18

discipline posted:

AMA

Who is the worst american you've encountered in your international travels

#19
"Russia meddling in Syria is going to get them stuck in a quagmire" warned Obama, as a disembodied chorus of bloodcurdling deathshrieks arose from the 14th consecutive year of war in Afghanistan raging behind him.
#20
"But that war started under Bush" chittered the freshly-flensed nurses skull as it rolled Islamically from the charred remains of a hospital. "Obama is still building political capital", a nearby orphan seemed to say with her eyes.
#21

Petrol posted:

former British infantry officer James Le Mesurier is training a group of average Syrians to become members of the U.S.-funded Syria Civil Defense (SCD) team, an elite crew of battle-ready first responders










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#23
first nobel peace laureate to bomb another nobel peace laureate lmao
#24
Brown Moses
Oct 7, 2015 15:06
Well Russia Today decided to send Nimrod Kamer to try and interview me today, which for some reason included doorstepping my mother and filming the house she was in. Guess they've moved on from just having a go at me on RT to harassing my family.
#25
Welp Russia Today sent Nimrod Kramer to my house. He slid sideways through my door and started eating all my cereal. Damn you Putin
#26
i wouldn't call it harassment unless he was pushy or attempting to film inside the house.

#27
#28
oh no my propaganda shilling for empire is beginning to have consequences other than a big paycheck
#29
also a large portion of his "research" to debunk russian claims is "geolocating" bombing targets by just looking at google maps and trying to match up similar terrain with the images that have been released.

most of that has to be inaccurate and bullshit, right?
#30
everrything that piece of shit has ever done is inaccurate and bullshit so yes
#31
he's a fucking loser!!!!!!!!!!!!
#32

aerdil posted:

also a large portion of his "research" to debunk russian claims is "geolocating" bombing targets by just looking at google maps and trying to match up similar terrain with the images that have been released.

most of that has to be inaccurate and bullshit, right?



#33
Russia Fires Cruise Missiles in Syria as Assad Begins a Ground Attack
New York Times - ‎1 hour ago‎

gonna be interesting to see if assad quickly crushes isis now that he has international support to counter the turkish/saudi/american wepaons running and terrorism funding
#34
this is only slightly relevant, but i'm just curious as to what you guys think of this perspective:

https://storify.com/HenryKrinkle/discussion-between-me-and
#35

HenryKrinkle posted:

this is only slightly relevant, but i'm just curious as to what you guys think of this perspective:

https://storify.com/HenryKrinkle/discussion-between-me-and



If your explanation of why members of group x are killing members of group y in the 21th century is "ancient 1,000 year old blood feud", your analysis of anything isn't very deep.

#36
speaking of blood feuds, i have to write a short paper on kant's notion of freedom in what is enlightenment... i'm going to write about how it is strongly shaped by his antipathy to catholicism. and obviously therefore why liberalism is wrong and neo-reactionary monarchism is right.
#37
Also:
1. The equation of armed Iraqi Sunnis with the KKK (a common trope among apologists for US imperialism) is just as much of a convenient one-sided story as the 'Sunni marginalization' narrative. The anti-war camp in the West, while recognizing that the various micro-collectives within MENA have their differing histories and legitimate interests, should not make it its business to circulate incendiary communalist mythology from any one side.

2. The Iraqi insurgency did not 'fail'--the inability of the post-2003 occupation to ensure a stable, pro-US order was a disorienting strategic blow to which America hegemony has still not recovered, not withstanding all its efforts to substitute direct aggression with proxy war.
#38

getfiscal posted:

speaking of blood feuds, i have to write a short paper on kant's notion of freedom in what is enlightenment... i'm going to write about how it is strongly shaped by his antipathy to catholicism. and obviously therefore why liberalism is wrong and neo-reactionary monarchism is right.



Add a digression on how his philosophy was also shaped by his shamefaced fascination with Swedenborg.

#39
The Enlightenment has always contained its opposite.
#40
I guess that makes socialism the synthesis.