"This is MY story!"
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:
Good question. Like when I woke up at 4 pm today, walked to the store and bought three 24 oz tall boys of coors for 4.50 and a 4 piece chicken tenders with fries and mayoketchup dip for 5.50 did I do that because I wanted that friend chicken or because I'm conditioned by society, my addiction to fried fatty food and alcohol, and some made up need to eat 'hood shit' isntead of taking the train to greenpoint and getting healthy food. Or, did I do it because God Wills It? Or because Shaitan wills it?
Sounds Like biological Predestiny, Or in other words You only ate that chicken because of the chemical signals in your brain. I Ahve an associates degree in philosophy
Skylark posted:
Is the Sphere Grid itself not the perfect illustration of free will?
When you have reached the end of your journey, it all comes out to the same result...
"Blame God, or yourself." ~ Delita Hyral
bonclay posted:
Sounds Like biological Predestiny, Or in other words You only ate that chicken because of the chemical signals in your brain. I Ahve an associates degree in philosophy
But why did I choose to go to the Crown Frid Chicken and not the Jerk joint or the chinese peoples food store?
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:
But why did I choose to go to the Crown Frid Chicken and not the Jerk joint or the chinese peoples food store?
racism
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:bonclay posted:
Sounds Like biological Predestiny, Or in other words You only ate that chicken because of the chemical signals in your brain. I Ahve an associates degree in philosophyBut why did I choose to go to the Crown Frid Chicken and not the Jerk joint or the chinese peoples food store?
Because You Have Been Inculculated With A Racist Ideology That Subconsciously Influenced You To Avoid "Foreign Foods"
littlegreenpills posted:EmanuelaOrlandi posted:
But why did I choose to go to the Crown Frid Chicken and not the Jerk joint or the chinese peoples food store?racism
yes crown chicken, famous cultural landmark of white people
Lessons posted:
Nope!
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littlegreenpills posted:
racism
So you're saying I chose to get my fried chicken made by a dominican black man and a pakistani dude instead of two black people or two chinese people because of racism? I don't think that holds up.
similar is the role of past in heidegger.
adrian johnston and catharine malabou (and, i believe, zizek in his imminent 1000 page book on hegel, the universe, and everything) call in the concept of plasticity to loop the subjects interpretation of itself back into the material realm with causal efficacy. (this therefore takes place through what z in the book i mentioend (or at least a fragment i read on amazon) calls the "torture-house of language". so heideggers idea that man dwells poetically is in some sense a particularly optimistic description of whats really going on)
heres some audio from johnston and malabou (i havent listened to all of malabou's thing yet): http://donewithlife.mi2.hr/audio
theres also video of at least the main presentations (theres several people other than those two presenting various talks at this event) but i dont know if it includes the q&a after each presentation. and i think the q&a is where johnston summarizes his thoughts on it, in reply to ray brassier (who is more into a flavor of eliminative materialism)
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bonclay posted:
Remember when they did studies that showed that people's body get ready to move before they make the "conscious" decision to move. Sounds like a bunch of malarkie
that was a load of crap, i think. it just means impulses happen and then a fraction of a second later we fully flesh them out into thoughts. what is it supposed to prove, really. that the things we do are controlled by our body? that the determinism is happening without us thinking things out in socially constructed words beforehand? sensationalist horseshit, i think
mistersix posted:i think the concept of fate may be useful here, inhabiting a space between determinism and freedom.
similar is the role of past in heidegger.
adrian johnston and catharine malabou (and, i believe, zizek in his imminent 1000 page book on hegel, the universe, and everything) call in the concept of plasticity to loop the subjects interpretation of itself back into the material realm with causal efficacy. (this therefore takes place through what z in the book i mentioend (or at least a fragment i read on amazon) calls the "torture-house of language". so heideggers idea that man dwells poetically is in some sense a particularly optimistic description of whats really going on)
heres some audio from johnston and malabou (i havent listened to all of malabou's thing yet): http://donewithlife.mi2.hr/audio
theres also video of at least the main presentations (theres several people other than those two presenting various talks at this event) but i dont know if it includes the q&a after each presentation. and i think the q&a is where johnston summarizes his thoughts on it, in reply to ray brassier (who is more into a flavor of eliminative materialism)
where do johnston and brassier stand in relation to one another (i dont have time for all this youtubes right now unfortunately)
if anything, the ponderance of this question is proof that we do, because if we were merely ruled by instinct and survival then there would be no reason to raise this question
i choose life
GoldenLionTamarin posted:bonclay posted:
Remember when they did studies that showed that people's body get ready to move before they make the "conscious" decision to move. Sounds like a bunch of malarkiethat was a load of crap, i think. it just means impulses happen and then a fraction of a second later we fully flesh them out into thoughts. what is it supposed to prove, really. that the things we do are controlled by our body? that the determinism is happening without us thinking things out in socially constructed words beforehand? sensationalist horseshit, i think
it proves that the person employing it as evidence is making a really crude argument and has no grasp on the debate at hand
edit: this was supposed to go in the other thread! ill keep it in here too because its nice music though
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
of course we do, even animals do. sometimes your dog will feel like chasing the ball, sometimes he will just want to chill.
if anything, the ponderance of this question is proof that we do, because if we were merely ruled by instinct and survival then there would be no reason to raise this question
i choose life
animals do not have free will actually. remember?