#1
I wish people would stop making cartoons and such about him until he actually enacts some sort of policy.

In other news, I am back from vacation, and also I had a dream last night in which Kim Jong Il was living in my house and would be doing so for a few days, and my family had to treat him well and show him a good time or he would have us killed. Due to this fleeting touch with the dead leader, I now feel a small bit of solidarity with North Koreans, as they lived a reality of that hellish nightmare and still do.
#2
a lot of trot websites are posting nonsense about how maybe the workers should rise up and go straight to authentic socialisms. shyeah don't think so. market reforms will happen unless mini me is a total loon. hopefully political reforms too.
#3
iT'S NOT SOCIALISM, iT'S FARKET REFORMS DOT COM
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#5
north korea will probably be a sweatshop soon but it'd be cool if like they were allowed to have unions or elections. ~lowered expectations~
#6
is there any reason not to expect it to become china jr
#7
i think a more precisely it will be "vietnam jr", although it might be a distinction without a difference.

the chinese leadership sees itself as a guiding force for a socialist economy that utilizes a market framework and encourages competition in most sectors. state planning is more aimed at providing public goods and coordinating the economy as a whole.

the vietnamese leadership sees a sort of two-sphere economy within a market framework that is overall socialist-oriented. that means that much of the economy is still considered planned in a direct way, with public ownership and guidance of these sectors. but then there are special sectors that are considered open to foreign investment and foreign export, such as most consumer commodity production.

i saw this because i think kim jong-un will be nudged towards allowing special economic zones, major tourist options for the south, sweatshops for foreign export, capitalist food production and so on. but it may well continue to think of itself as a bastion of socialism and may still reject the chinese reform model as it relates to china's limited public openness to world culture. at least for a while.

if i could guess wildly i would suggest that's the more likely dynamic within north korea. as in, it is probably between people who want to remain loyal to suppressing all market elements and then people who support much of the basic system but see it as troublesome meddling to always get overly "political" when they think, say, setting up more carefully-managed export zones and signalling you won't yank them away might bring some currency in which would ease demands on the system in other areas. basically, such bureaucratic types might stage-manage things to ensure that happens, whatever the leadership face that north korea has.
#8
kim jong-il allowed all that junk from time to time but ever so often he'd flip out and get a minister to do things like devastate the money supply so that illegal markets mostly disappeared temporarily, or unilaterally announce that the special economic zone was closed or whatever.
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mistersix posted:
is there any reason not to expect it to become china jr



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getfiscal posted:
kim jong-il allowed all that junk from time to time but ever so often he'd flip out and get a minister to do things like devastate the money supply so that illegal markets mostly disappeared temporarily, or unilaterally announce that the special economic zone was closed or whatever.



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#12
I expect Juche to soldier on infinite power imediate.
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#14
KJU has nowhere near the personal authority his dad had, who in turn had nowhere near the personal authority senior did. so the military-industrial bureaucracy is in charge now, and that means a really slow and boring slide into more "market reforms" and further revisionism (perhaps they'll even chuck Juche in favor of some new doctrine that is to Juche what it was to M-L)
#15

North Korea May Take Action to Jolt Economy, Analysts Say

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea said Wednesday that it would convene its Parliament this month, an unusual session that South Korean analysts said might officially introduce a program by the country’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to revitalize the nation’s moribund economy.

Since taking over the leadership after the death of his father, Kim Jong-il, in December, the younger Mr. Kim has repeatedly emphasized the need to improve the living standards of his impoverished people. He said in April, during his first speech, that he would ensure that North Koreans would “never have to tighten their belts again.”

Since July, various news reports in South Korea have quoted anonymous sources in the North as saying that Mr. Kim planned to give factories and collective farms incentives aimed at increasing productivity. The state would let farmers keep 30 percent of their yield, the reports said; until now, it is believed that they could sell only a surplus beyond a government-set quota, which was rarely met. Factories would choose what to produce and how to market their wares, splitting any profits with the state and paying their own workers.

The changes, tested as pilot projects in selected farms and factories, will eventually be extended to the rest of North Korea and replace the country’s dysfunctional state ration system, these reports said.

Such changes, if confirmed, would be the North’s latest — and perhaps boldest — effort to overhaul its economy. A similar effort failed a decade ago.

“The coming parliamentary session will be a bellwether on where Kim Jong-un is taking his country’s economy,” said Koh Yu-hwan, a North Korea specialist at Dongguk University in Seoul.

The announcement by the North’s official Korean Central News Agency that the Supreme People’s Assembly would meet Sept. 25 gave no details as to its agenda. It is rare for the rubber-stamp Parliament to meet more than once a year. It last assembled in April, when legislators elected Mr. Kim to succeed his father as chairman of the National Defense Commission, the North’s top state agency, the last of the top military, party and state titles he inherited.

Besides passing legislation and appointing top government officials, the North Korean legislature also announces important domestic and foreign policies. In 2003, it declared that the country would expand its nuclear weapons program.

On Friday, the North Korean Foreign Ministry vowed to expand the country’s nuclear arsenal “beyond imagination.” The threat came as the International Atomic Energy Agency warned that North Korea was making significant progress in building a new nuclear reactor widely seen as a means to enrich uranium and make weapons-grade plutonium. On Wednesday, the Foreign Ministry said its nuclear program was no longer for “peaceful purposes only” and the country acquired nuclear weapons to cope with the “persistent hostile policy” of the United States.

North Korea watchers in the South said that Mr. Kim, who South Korean officials believe to be 28, may retire some of the North’s aging leaders, like Prime Minister Choe Yong-rim and Kim Yong-nam, the president of Parliament, both in their 80s, to put his own stamp on the leadership hierarchy and promote younger technocrats to drive his economic revitalization efforts.

The South Korean news reports on Mr. Kim’s economic changes cited North Korean party officials who attended briefings on Mr. Kim’s economic program. They varied in details while agreeing on a rough outline.

“The gist is to expand incentives for factories, individuals and collective farms to boost productivity,” said Yoo Ho-yeol, a North Korea specialist at Korea University in Seoul.

Within collective farms, groups of four to six workers will be allowed to work as units to encourage competition, according to the Seoul bureau of Radio Free Asia, based in Washington, as well as Web sites in Seoul, which use sources in the North to collect news. Meanwhile, Jang Song-thaek, Mr. Kim’s uncle and key policy adviser, visited China last month and won Beijing’s commitment to help North Korea build two free economic zones on its border.

On Tuesday, a senior government official in Seoul, speaking on the condition of anonymity to a group of reporters, confirmed one element of the reported plans. He said the North was taking the lucrative trading rights from its powerful military and returning them to the cabinet. In April, Mr. Kim vowed to make the cabinet “the economic command.” Analysts say that the North’s former army chief, Vice Marshal Ri Yong-ho, who lost all his jobs in July, was fired for resisting an effort by Mr. Kim and Mr. Jang to curtail the military’s economic rights.

Analysts in South Korea remained divided over whether Mr. Kim was trying to achieve genuine economic change, of the kind his country’s main ally, China, has pursued, or seeking more productivity only to make up for his dwindling state coffers. The government has found it increasingly hard to earn hard currency in recent years as United Nations sanctions tightened and outside aid dwindled.

In a commentary published on the Web site of Sejong Institute of South Korea, Oh Gyeong-seop, an analyst, credited Mr. Kim with “reform within the system,” rather than a shift toward a market economy. His program, as reported so far, “still adheres to the state ownership of properties and bans individuals from establishing their own business enterprises,” he said.

Mr. Kim said in April that North Korea should stick to “socialist economic principles” while bolstering production. In July, his government even scoffed at reports of economic changes in North Korea, calling them a “hallucination,” like “expecting the sun to rise from the west.” In August, its main party newspaper, Rodong Sinmun, said North Korea might change “tactics” but would never abandon its “strategy” of building a “powerful socialist country.”

In 2002, North Korea experimented with similar incentives, but it quickly backtracked when the markets and trading activities boomed and the government saw them as a threat to its near-totalitarian control on the population. In 2009, North Korea again cracked down on markets. Such interference set off runaway inflation and occasional outbursts of protest.

Pak Pong-ju, the former North Korean prime minister who was banished for pushing changes too far in 2002, returned to the center of economic policy in 2010. He is supported by Mr. Kim’s aunt and Mr. Jang’s wife, Kim Kyong-hee, whose influence has increased under the young Mr. Kim, according to analysts and officials here.

Meanwhile, word of a new round of economic change has created uncertainty among North Koreans, already fueling inflation. The price of rice has doubled since early June, Daily NK reported last week.

“Here people think that economic measures mean rising prices,” it quoted a North Korean as saying.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/world/asia/north-korea-may-be-preparing-economic-reforms.html?_r=1

#16
He did do something. He inspired me greatly with his heroic life and struggle in the cause of revolution and was a major catalyst in my decision to include Juche in my everyday life.
#17
*slobbering south korean ceo becomes erect at thought of that sweet sweet cheap nork labor*
#18
it's going to be fascinating trying to watch 20 million poor peasants try to integrate with this

#19
Until we know what Kim Jong Un's stance on slam pigs is I'll refrain from making comments about him
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EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

Until we know what Kim Jong Un's stance on slam pigs is I'll refrain from making comments about him



he's more into the slam horses