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Petrol posted:

HenryKrinkle posted:

https://twitter.com/joolsd/status/746503291702550528

hrmmm


funny, im reading #1 as "the economy", #2 as "the economy" and #3 as unintelligible

it really is the height of liberalism to dismiss leave voters as wholly xenophobic/racist. that was clearly the overwhelming character of the leave campaign, but i would guess that of the leave voters for whom immigration was a top concern (most of them), the vast majority of them aren't racist so much as living hand to mouth and fucking terrified. i mean im restating things here that we all should already know but liberal children like jools pointing to Lord Ashcroft Dot Com to bolster his prejudices against the proletariat need a fucking slap



look i agree with the sentiment but these things are all dogwhistles. 1 is nationalism. It isn't particularly virulent nationalism, but that's what it is. 2 is a softer and less official Donald Trump Muslim Ban, and 3 is letting the filthy Turk onto democratic bodies

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Petrol posted:

i think we may have different understandings of what constitutes a labour aristocracy because i can't see how the term applies to the 52% of britons who voted leave


they live in britain

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counterpoint: it doesn't matter what british people think about anything
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blinkandwheeze posted:

Petrol posted:

it really is the height of liberalism to dismiss leave voters as wholly xenophobic/racist

Imo its the height of liberalism to pretend that racism isn't a fundamental character of the ageing white labour aristocracy of an advanced imperialist nation


western "maoists" casually dropping whiteness to derail and oppose any attempts at proletarian solidarity and mass antifascist organising. as if all those who reject the EU are white, as if all western proles (white or otherwise) can be sensibly understood and dismissed as "labour aristocracy", as if working to oppose fascism in the west is pointless,

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I'm blown away by how dumb those two dead ken posts were.
#286
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Let's rap.
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#288
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funny , im reading the words "pakis go home" scrawled in the margins of this ballot as "the economy"
#289
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everyone knows that a popular referendum in the united kingdom will be decided by pudding-like people who look, think and speak like orcs from lotr. what this post proposes is, what if they're also capable of fucking up
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regardless of whether i have a valid point about the underlying concerns of leave voters, surely it's clear that the vital thing now is antifascist solidarity, even more more urgently than when a fascist assassinated an MP just last week and the entire bourgeois discourse insisted the solution was politeness
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#292
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When you post a picture of your voter card, you are posting a political message by definition. When you post a picture of yourself voting for nonsense, that message is, 1) look at you, because you could have just stayed home 2) the vote is idiotic and doesnt matter and 3) you're confident that the side you secretly favor will win anyway. to then start screaming about the apocalypse about it because it's so important and everyone around you is so morally inept is two flavors of narcissism, one of hypocrisy and four of stupidity.
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When you "VOte" for me, you are effectively throwing a " Treat " into my mouth
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Kurdt
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i don't care why the britons did a thing
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Kurdt
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just keepin it real. yolo
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has the marxist debate on this today actually hinged on the class character of the uk electorate. because that's adorable.
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ya
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democracy is so rigged you can't even describe it like a traditional gambling game. Roulette is rigged one big way. democracy is some giant rube goldberg machine of rigging the ball dozens of small ways. also, the casino is in hell and you can totally realize that the game is rigged and walk away whenever you want, except all the people still playing still get to decide who lives and dies
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Petrol posted:

regardless of whether i have a valid point about the underlying concerns of leave voters, surely it's clear that the vital thing now is antifascist solidarity, even more more urgently than when a fascist assassinated an MP just last week and the entire bourgeois discourse insisted the solution was politeness


i don't think the people disagreeing with you are saying organizing in the UK should be abandoned, its a strategic question about where to spend finite time, energy, and resources organizing. everyone's touchy exactly because of how clearly antifasc resistance is important right now, since they've successfully tied their coattails to the leave camp in the eyes of the media (and consequently in the eyes of most people) and are probably going to get away with claiming this as their victory

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Vilerat didn't die so you people could slander Jools and Sam. The wetlands are a critical part of temperate ecosystems and the survival of ducks, and dismissing a vote for that is ludicrous given the increasingly fragile state of the environment. Jools has real friends from other countries whose immigration status is now in jeopardy while most of us haven't shaken the hand of a flesh-and-blood person since the manager at McDonalds congratulated us for going an entire month without missing one burger lunch.
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does the vote matter, or doesn't it, dead ken. if it mattered so much then you should have voted for it. if it didn't matter then you should stop yelling about how it's the end of the world. either way you should in particular shut the fuck up about how people who didn't oppose leaving the EU are monsters. you could say the system is rigged and both choices suck but that doesn't work either if you seem to believe that one choice is Morally Correct and the other is The Apocalypse and the system is rigged against The Apocalypse
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tpaine posted:

managers don't usually come out to shake customer's hands, no matter how loyal they are. burger king patron spotted, prepare the banhammer

Don't get butthurt just because the manager respects me. Probation for one month.

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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

does the vote matter, or doesn't it, dead ken. if it mattered so much then you should have voted for it. if it didn't matter then you should stop yelling about how it's the end of the world. either way you should in particular shut the fuck up about how people who didn't oppose leaving the EU are monsters. you could say the system is rigged and both choices suck but that doesn't work either if you seem to believe that one choice is Morally Correct and the other is The Apocalypse and the system is rigged against The Apocalypse


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Goat is somewhat right that voting for the lesser evil often makes sense, even though we might get caught up in our anger towards both options and consider the election a farce. We might regret not voting for the lesser evil once we fully realize what happened, especially if the option we were sure was going to lose ends up winning. And that's why Goatstein should vote for Hillary Clinton.
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Petrol posted:

as if all western proles (white or otherwise) can be sensibly understood and dismissed as "labour aristocracy"



i don't believe the entirety of the western proletariat constitute a labour aristocracy. i do believe that the 65+ support base from almost exclusively white regions that were the height of fordist development in britain are probably the clearest example of an "ageing labour aristocracy" possible though

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oh my god dead ken literally posts constantly about how people in the media are condescending and pompous to people with smaller platforms than them, and dismiss those people who disagree with them as immature unserious childish nobodies not worth mentioning. then he wrote that "tankies" are "celebrating like anarcho-nihilists" and their behavior is "pure infantilism."
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earlier he said that he should have agreed with the argument but didn't because of the "tone" of the argument like the most dickrotted liberal - at most a week after he dismissed the validity of tone arguments.
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Man there is a lot to hate about that post!!

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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

oh my god dead ken literally posts constantly about how people in the media are condescending and pompous to people with smaller platforms than them, and dismiss those people who disagree with them as immature unserious childish nobodies not worth mentioning. then he wrote that "tankies" are "celebrating like anarcho-nihilists" and their behavior is "pure infantilism."

please forgive him. you see, he was assmad at the time

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I think the EU is bad for countries that aren't DE or UK so if this is a step to it dissolving then that's a good thing. Fascism has been on the rise in both places for decades regardless of the EU
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getfiscal posted:

Goat is somewhat right that voting for the lesser evil often makes sense, even though we might get caught up in our anger towards both options and consider the election a farce. We might regret not voting for the lesser evil once we fully realize what happened, especially if the option we were sure was going to lose ends up winning. And that's why Goatstein should vote for Hillary Clinton.



i'm not going to post pictures of myself voting for trump and then screaming about how trump is the end of the world.

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Every single person who immigrates to the United Kingdom is a latent Eichmann, and any measure that limits their numbers is welcome.