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our occupy (DC) just got razed and I only know because I drove by, there was no news from the msm or the occupy propaganda websites. too bad, I had some good talks with homeless people there

oh yeah also they're operating out of offices now so they may actually be a CIA front
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Goldgelbes Löwenäffchen
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Impper posted:

occupy is a zionist cia front?


Yes.

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Mike Nelson here.
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babyhueypnewton posted:

btw I say all of this as a comrade, he deserves criticism and not purging

how magnanimous of you, gentle huey

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Nippon
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it would be cool if leftie ppl were all i dont care about how mean your parents and highschool were to you because you want to do nonstandard things with your cock, this is about ownership of the means of production and the end of the slavery of billions but that would fly like a lead balloon with donald and tom in the basket
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Goethestein posted:

it would be cool if leftie ppl were all i dont care about how mean your parents and highschool were to you because you want to do nonstandard things with your cock, this is about ownership of the means of production and the end of the slavery of billions but that would fly like a lead balloon with donald and tom in the basket



It is almost always a symptom of what is lacking in himself, when a thinker, in every "causal-connection" and "psychological necessity," manifests something of compulsion, indigence, obsequiousness, oppression, and non-freedom; it is suspicious to have such feelings—the person betrays himself. And in general, if I have observed correctly, the "non-freedom of the will" is regarded as a problem from two entirely opposite standpoints, but always in a profoundly PERSONAL manner: some will not give up their "responsibility," their belief in THEMSELVES, the personal right to THEIR merits, at any price (the vain races belong to this class); others on the contrary, do not wish to be answerable for anything, or blamed for anything, and owing to an inward self-contempt, seek to GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS, no matter how. The latter, when they write books, are in the habit at present of taking the side of criminals; a sort of socialistic sympathy is their favourite disguise. And as a matter of fact, the fatalism of the weak-willed embellishes itself surprisingly when it can pose as "la religion de la souffrance humaine"; that is ITS "good taste."

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The Vain Races
#47
Goldgelbes Löwenäffchen
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Goethestein posted:

it would be cool if leftie ppl were all i dont care about how mean your parents and highschool were to you because you want to do nonstandard things with your cock, this is about ownership of the means of production and the end of the slavery of billions but that would fly like a lead balloon with donald and tom in the basket


Stop fat- shaming. your triggering Donald

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Impper posted:

lol someone writing for jacobin mag opposing the real

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqT-5nLZUl4&feature=player_detailpage#t=129s

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88888 posted:

The Vain Races



sucks that nobody talks about races anymore, the obvious idea that races are social constructs has rendered them invisible, as if things cannot be valuable unless they are in our DNA. I think it's still fair to say that germans and their linguistic descendants (the english, americans, the dutch, the swedish, etc) are weak, coarse races and it is tough to think clearly in english. it's no coincidence that marxism has to use french words to have scientific meaning.

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tardy on these heaters
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babyhueypnewton posted:

88888 posted:

The Vain Races

sucks that nobody talks about races anymore, the obvious idea that races are social constructs has rendered them invisible, as if things cannot be valuable unless they are in our DNA. I think it's still fair to say that germans and their linguistic descendants (the english, americans, the dutch, the swedish, etc) are weak, coarse races and it is tough to think clearly in english. it's no coincidence that marxism has to use french words to have scientific meaning.



uh is french any different? marx used french because of the paradigmatic significance of the french revolution to his theory. marxism is basically elaborating the characters of that event onto all of history, which was fun but its time to clean up and go home now.

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babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

88888 posted:

The Vain Races

sucks that nobody talks about races anymore, the obvious idea that races are social constructs has rendered them invisible, as if things cannot be valuable unless they are in our DNA. I think it's still fair to say that germans and their linguistic descendants (the english, americans, the dutch, the swedish, etc) are weak, coarse races and it is tough to think clearly in english. it's no coincidence that marxism has to use french words to have scientific meaning.

uh is french any different? marx used french because of the paradigmatic significance of the french revolution to his theory. marxism is basically elaborating the characters of that event onto all of history, which was fun but its time to clean up and go home now.



have we somehow moved past the french revolution? the bourgeois revolution is still being completed, only now are we seeing it touch the entire globe. and the reign of terror that accompanies the proletarianization of the world is more severe than ever.

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tardy on these heaters
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babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

88888 posted:

The Vain Races

sucks that nobody talks about races anymore, the obvious idea that races are social constructs has rendered them invisible, as if things cannot be valuable unless they are in our DNA. I think it's still fair to say that germans and their linguistic descendants (the english, americans, the dutch, the swedish, etc) are weak, coarse races and it is tough to think clearly in english. it's no coincidence that marxism has to use french words to have scientific meaning.

uh is french any different? marx used french because of the paradigmatic significance of the french revolution to his theory. marxism is basically elaborating the characters of that event onto all of history, which was fun but its time to clean up and go home now.

have we somehow moved past the french revolution? the bourgeois revolution is still being completed, only now are we seeing it touch the entire globe. and the reign of terror that accompanies the proletarianization of the world is more severe than ever.



yeah. the implication that modernity swallows premodernity whole is wrong though. modernity produces premodernity alongside itself, fundamentally

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babyfinland posted:

yeah. the implication that modernity swallows premodernity whole is wrong though. modernity produces premodernity alongside itself, fundamentally


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babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

88888 posted:

The Vain Races

sucks that nobody talks about races anymore, the obvious idea that races are social constructs has rendered them invisible, as if things cannot be valuable unless they are in our DNA. I think it's still fair to say that germans and their linguistic descendants (the english, americans, the dutch, the swedish, etc) are weak, coarse races and it is tough to think clearly in english. it's no coincidence that marxism has to use french words to have scientific meaning.

uh is french any different? marx used french because of the paradigmatic significance of the french revolution to his theory. marxism is basically elaborating the characters of that event onto all of history, which was fun but its time to clean up and go home now.

have we somehow moved past the french revolution? the bourgeois revolution is still being completed, only now are we seeing it touch the entire globe. and the reign of terror that accompanies the proletarianization of the world is more severe than ever.

yeah. the implication that modernity swallows premodernity whole is wrong though. modernity produces premodernity alongside itself, fundamentally



I agree with that, underdevelopment and third world dependency are inherent to the modernist project. I also disagree with those who would point to this to say that the revolution must take place in the 1st world because their strategy is basically nothing (trotskyism is more of a faith in marx than anything else). however, despite the fact that revolutions happen at the weakest link, and that the alternative to socialism in one country is socialism in fantasy, it is clear after the experience of the anti-imperialist struggle and the experience of the USSR/China that the socialist revolution (which I'm presupposing is the only kind of revolution that means anything by striking at the capitalist system, which 'in the last instance' determines the rest of the system) does have to be a world revolution eventually and the bourgeoise revolution does have to be completed, even if it is under the oppressive control of a proletarian state.

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Mike Nelson here.
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yeah marx's french concepts tend to be because his early political work was based on a critique and extension of the french radical tradition, like his polemic against proudhon and his critiques of fourierism and such. marx was obviously a genius but when you read people like fourier and proudhon it's like oh i guess it's obvious where he got most of this stuff from.
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getfiscal posted:

yeah marx's french concepts tend to be because his early political work was based on a critique and extension of the french radical tradition, like his polemic against proudhon and his critiques of fourierism and such. marx was obviously a genius but when you read people like fourier and proudhon it's like oh i guess it's obvious where he got most of this stuff from.



lol this is funny though. post this on revleft or something, people will get real mad

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babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

88888 posted:

The Vain Races

sucks that nobody talks about races anymore, the obvious idea that races are social constructs has rendered them invisible, as if things cannot be valuable unless they are in our DNA. I think it's still fair to say that germans and their linguistic descendants (the english, americans, the dutch, the swedish, etc) are weak, coarse races and it is tough to think clearly in english. it's no coincidence that marxism has to use french words to have scientific meaning.

uh is french any different? marx used french because of the paradigmatic significance of the french revolution to his theory. marxism is basically elaborating the characters of that event onto all of history, which was fun but its time to clean up and go home now.

have we somehow moved past the french revolution? the bourgeois revolution is still being completed, only now are we seeing it touch the entire globe. and the reign of terror that accompanies the proletarianization of the world is more severe than ever.

yeah. the implication that modernity swallows premodernity whole is wrong though. modernity produces premodernity alongside itself, fundamentally

I agree with that, underdevelopment and third world dependency are inherent to the modernist project. I also disagree with those who would point to this to say that the revolution must take place in the 1st world because their strategy is basically nothing (trotskyism is more of a faith in marx than anything else). however, despite the fact that revolutions happen at the weakest link, and that the alternative to socialism in one country is socialism in fantasy, it is clear after the experience of the anti-imperialist struggle and the experience of the USSR/China that the socialist revolution (which I'm presupposing is the only kind of revolution that means anything by striking at the capitalist system, which 'in the last instance' determines the rest of the system) does have to be a world revolution eventually and the bourgeoise revolution does have to be completed, even if it is under the oppressive control of a proletarian state.



why

#58
Zinovievist-Trotskyist gang
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babyfinland posted:

marxism is basically elaborating the characters of that event onto all of history, which was fun but its time to clean up and go home now.



#59
Mike Nelson here.
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babyhueypnewton posted:

lol this is funny though. post this on revleft or something, people will get real mad

lol i got banned from revleft for 'trolling'.

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babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

88888 posted:

The Vain Races

sucks that nobody talks about races anymore, the obvious idea that races are social constructs has rendered them invisible, as if things cannot be valuable unless they are in our DNA. I think it's still fair to say that germans and their linguistic descendants (the english, americans, the dutch, the swedish, etc) are weak, coarse races and it is tough to think clearly in english. it's no coincidence that marxism has to use french words to have scientific meaning.

uh is french any different? marx used french because of the paradigmatic significance of the french revolution to his theory. marxism is basically elaborating the characters of that event onto all of history, which was fun but its time to clean up and go home now.

have we somehow moved past the french revolution? the bourgeois revolution is still being completed, only now are we seeing it touch the entire globe. and the reign of terror that accompanies the proletarianization of the world is more severe than ever.

yeah. the implication that modernity swallows premodernity whole is wrong though. modernity produces premodernity alongside itself, fundamentally

I agree with that, underdevelopment and third world dependency are inherent to the modernist project. I also disagree with those who would point to this to say that the revolution must take place in the 1st world because their strategy is basically nothing (trotskyism is more of a faith in marx than anything else). however, despite the fact that revolutions happen at the weakest link, and that the alternative to socialism in one country is socialism in fantasy, it is clear after the experience of the anti-imperialist struggle and the experience of the USSR/China that the socialist revolution (which I'm presupposing is the only kind of revolution that means anything by striking at the capitalist system, which 'in the last instance' determines the rest of the system) does have to be a world revolution eventually and the bourgeoise revolution does have to be completed, even if it is under the oppressive control of a proletarian state.

why



because the material world, which actually exists, is shaped by capitalism and the bourgeois revolution (or industrialization) and it remains the only historical method for producing a human being capable of living in a classless society. the development of the means of production to a level high enough to support all of humanity with food, medicine, housing, technology, mastery over nature, free time to learn has only been done through modern development. it's clear as you point out that this requires underdevelopment and exploitation by capitalism, however it's not clear to me why this is also the case under socialism (without appealing to a very problematic conception of 'social imperialism' and 'state capitalism').

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Bourgeois capitalism actually fulfills the more noble goals of communism. Once the super-rich are limited due to the revolutionary force of social democracy in combination with the increased wealth of the entrepreneurial and increasingly informed and financially savvy middle class, and the poor are sufficiently contained and/or improved to the point they are also middle-class bourgeois, only the bourgeois will remain. According to capitalism/liberalism/modernism, the successful and dominant revolutionary theory, instead of the proletariat, the highly productive, self-responsible, and publicly culpable bourgeois is the true revolutionary class that everyone will be converted into, thereby achieving a classless society.
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tardy on these heaters
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babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

88888 posted:

The Vain Races

sucks that nobody talks about races anymore, the obvious idea that races are social constructs has rendered them invisible, as if things cannot be valuable unless they are in our DNA. I think it's still fair to say that germans and their linguistic descendants (the english, americans, the dutch, the swedish, etc) are weak, coarse races and it is tough to think clearly in english. it's no coincidence that marxism has to use french words to have scientific meaning.

uh is french any different? marx used french because of the paradigmatic significance of the french revolution to his theory. marxism is basically elaborating the characters of that event onto all of history, which was fun but its time to clean up and go home now.

have we somehow moved past the french revolution? the bourgeois revolution is still being completed, only now are we seeing it touch the entire globe. and the reign of terror that accompanies the proletarianization of the world is more severe than ever.

yeah. the implication that modernity swallows premodernity whole is wrong though. modernity produces premodernity alongside itself, fundamentally

I agree with that, underdevelopment and third world dependency are inherent to the modernist project. I also disagree with those who would point to this to say that the revolution must take place in the 1st world because their strategy is basically nothing (trotskyism is more of a faith in marx than anything else). however, despite the fact that revolutions happen at the weakest link, and that the alternative to socialism in one country is socialism in fantasy, it is clear after the experience of the anti-imperialist struggle and the experience of the USSR/China that the socialist revolution (which I'm presupposing is the only kind of revolution that means anything by striking at the capitalist system, which 'in the last instance' determines the rest of the system) does have to be a world revolution eventually and the bourgeoise revolution does have to be completed, even if it is under the oppressive control of a proletarian state.

why

because the material world, which actually exists, is shaped by capitalism and the bourgeois revolution (or industrialization) and it remains the only historical method for producing a human being capable of living in a classless society. the development of the means of production to a level high enough to support all of humanity with food, medicine, housing, technology, mastery over nature, free time to learn has only been done through modern development. it's clear as you point out that this requires underdevelopment and exploitation by capitalism, however it's not clear to me why this is also the case under socialism (without appealing to a very problematic conception of 'social imperialism' and 'state capitalism').



hint: "development"

http://www.amazon.com/Provincializing-Europe-Postcolonial-Historical-Difference/dp/0691049092

this book is cool friend (inspired this: http://www.rhizzone.net/forum/topic/975/)

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tardy on these heaters
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WeedSmoker420 posted:

Bourgeois capitalism actually fulfills the more noble goals of communism. Once the super-rich are limited due to the revolutionary force of social democracy in combination with the increased wealth of the entrepreneurial and increasingly informed and financially savvy middle class, and the poor are sufficiently contained and/or improved to the point they are also middle-class bourgeois, only the bourgeois will remain. According to capitalism/liberalism/modernism, the successful and dominant revolutionary theory, instead of the proletariat, the highly productive, self-responsible, and publicly culpable bourgeois is the true revolutionary class that everyone will be converted into, thereby achieving a classless society.



thanks oscar you can go back to the sodomites' ring of hell now

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getfiscal posted:

lol i got banned from revleft for 'trolling'.


i'm guessing this was you?

#65
Mike Nelson here.
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no, that's not me. i had a good time for a bit though.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/why-do-so-t167400/index.html?t=167400
http://www.revleft.com/vb/cubas-communist-party-t167424/index.html?t=167424
http://www.revleft.com/vb/should-trotskyites-admit-t167398/index.html?t=167398
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Poronto
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i just noticed

Goal amount for this month: 200 USD, Received: 0 USD (0%)



lol, does revleft shill for funds every month like this

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Mike Nelson here.
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littlegreenpills posted:

i just noticed

Goal amount for this month: 200 USD, Received: 0 USD (0%)



lol, does revleft shill for funds every month like this

it's not just a forum, it's a revolutionary cell operating at the vanguard of contemporary communist politics, so i think it's reasonable to beg for pocket change and bitcoins from a totally indifferent mass of confused teens.

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Kurdt
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also vanguardism is explicitly against the rules
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Kurdt
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or maybe that's the communism reddit, i forget
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Poronto
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getfiscal posted:

it's not just a forum, it's a revolutionary cell operating at the vanguard of contemporary communist politics, so i think it's reasonable to beg for pocket change and bitcoins from a totally indifferent mass of confused teens.



0 USD generally indicates you're doing something wrong

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babyhueypnewton posted:

sucks that nobody talks about races anymore, the obvious idea that races are social constructs has rendered them invisible, as if things cannot be valuable unless they are in our DNA. I think it's still fair to say that germans and their linguistic descendants (the english, americans, the dutch, the swedish, etc) are weak, coarse races and it is tough to think clearly in english. it's no coincidence that marxism has to use french words to have scientific meaning.



i thought you stopped posting. DAMNIT.

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littlegreenpills posted:

getfiscal posted:

it's not just a forum, it's a revolutionary cell operating at the vanguard of contemporary communist politics, so i think it's reasonable to beg for pocket change and bitcoins from a totally indifferent mass of confused teens.

0 USD generally indicates you're doing something wrong



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Revleft actually has the readership to require money for hosting costs. Rhizzone is just like 40 bux a month that Goey pays probably lol
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Poronto
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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

Revleft actually has the readership to require money for hosting costs. Rhizzone is just like 40 bux a month that Goey pays probably lol



we're hosted on godaddy. your posts are supporting horrific sexist degradation of lady race car drivers

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don't act like you understand NASCAR, canadianer
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i forget why they started asking for donations. probably because they get ddosed nonstop lol
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Poronto
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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

don't act like you understand NASCAR, canadianer



im sorry i dared cast aspersions on the only professional sport you can play with an entire hemisphere of your brain missing

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getfiscal posted:

no, that's not me. i had a good time for a bit though.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/why-do-so-t167400/index.html?t=167400
http://www.revleft.com/vb/cubas-communist-party-t167424/index.html?t=167424
http://www.revleft.com/vb/should-trotskyites-admit-t167398/index.html?t=167398



that place is a cesspool where marxism goes to die.

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The west is where everything goes to die. And carry on undead
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littlegreenpills posted:

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

don't act like you understand NASCAR, canadianer

im sorry i dared cast aspersions on the only professional sport you can play with an entire hemisphere of your brain missing


Which one? I can't figure out if you mean high-speed, dangerous driving is right-brained or left-brained.