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Poronto
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it's p effed up how mild the expressions of victim rage are. one of them iirc fervently wished to get into his cell and stand face to face with the killer so he could "yell at him". apparently if you kill a Norwegian's child he gets about as mad as a normal person would if you TPed their house. this is what social democracy does to national character, folks. pathetic vengeance fantasies for a pathetic people
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Cycloneboy posted:

see, i would point out that this is a fairly reasonable standard of justice, that indefinitely imprisoning him if he's not dangerous in two decades (he will be) serves no one at all, but unfortunately i believe in a "benevolent" sky wizard who dishes out infinite punishment for finite sins, so i believe that he should be tortured and wounded and burned forever and ever amen.



you're making plenty of mistakes about what i believe in, but in anyway, how do you plan on ascertaining whether ABB is still dangerous in 20 years? how can a person who methodically planned a mass murder suddenly stop being dangerous?

I think he needs to be tortured for a short period of time and then executed, that's all, I think it's a fair punishment for his crimes and I think it's a mockery of justice to presume he has any place in prison or to think he can be corrected in anyway.

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jiroemon1897 posted:

Meursault posted:

Norwegian prison is extremely chill



they seemed to have been pretty cool about bruzum making video game music

#44
Nippon
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reminder that the number of people killed by the death penalty annually is utterly insignificant
#45
Not Your S.H.I.E.L.D.
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Goethestein posted:

reminder that the number of people killed by the death penalty annually is utterly insignificant



there have been 27 people killed by legal execution so far this year in America. police on the other hand kill 20 times that every year, the military almost TEN THOUSAND times that, and none of those people ever even get a trial. Capital punishment is the most measured, deliberated, and morally justifiable application of deadly state power there is

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Transient_Grace posted:

how can a person who methodically planned a mass murder suddenly stop being dangerous?

humans are amazing and complex beings capable of all kinds of incredible things, and clearly you have underestimated the glory of your creator.

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i believe in a god of infinite mercy, but believe some people are just plain Irredeemably Evil.
#48
meet me in st louis
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Would executing him make a martyr of him sufficient to warrant a greater threat? like has there been anything done in the name of avenging McVey?
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littlegreenpills posted:

it's p effed up how mild the expressions of victim rage are. one of them iirc fervently wished to get into his cell and stand face to face with the killer so he could "yell at him". apparently if you kill a Norwegian's child he gets about as mad as a normal person would if you TPed their house. this is what social democracy does to national character, folks. pathetic vengeance fantasies for a pathetic people



europeans are immature children who have built up a death cult where civilization once stood

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Alyosha posted:

Breivik saddens me. He misconstrued Christianity as if it was just a European tribal banner to wave. He looked to tradition to define his ideology, but ignored the teachings of that tradition.

Christianity is inherently multi-ethnic. It is for all people. Jesus would never condone taking up a gun and shooting down innocent teens.

I hope that in prison he realizes the truth of what he's done, and repents.



Acts 10:9-16
King James Version (KJV)

On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

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Cycloneboy posted:

i believe in a god of infinite mercy, but believe some people are just plain Irredeemably Evil.


Transient_Grace isn't actually a Christian, he only pretends to be one sometimes as a gimmick. He is an atheist, and believes in worldly justice, which explains his approach to this issue. Honestly, I was the same way when I was an atheist.

What I'm curious about is why those of you who don't believe in Jesus nonetheless think Breivik should not be tortured and executed. Do you think life imprisonment is sufficiently just? (Assuming you don't agree with his actions, of course; I know many atheistic right-wingers do, but there are few of them here.)

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Alyosha posted:

What I'm curious about is why those of you who don't believe in Jesus nonetheless think Breivik should not be tortured and executed.

Because it's a pointless act of cruelty that helps no one?

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What do you think justice is, then? Most people define it in a way that encourages appropriate punishments for crimes. It could be argued that it "helps" the families of the victims to indulge in revenge, and that it helps society in general by strongly discouraging such crimes.
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Alyosha posted:

What do you think justice is, then? Most people define it in a way that encourages appropriate punishments for crimes. It could be argued that it "helps" the families of the victims to indulge in revenge,

I don't think it's helpful to engage in the worst elements of human behavior in order to "help" victims by letting them get their jollies.

Plus modern Western criminal justice systems don't really care about the victims opinions?

Alyosha posted:

and that it helps society in general by strongly discouraging such crimes.

It is not the strength of the punishment so much as the efficacy. And life in prison and torture/execution are not really going to make a distinction in the mind of a True Believer like Breivik.

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guidoanselmi posted:

Would executing him make a martyr of him sufficient to warrant a greater threat? like has there been anything done in the name of avenging McVey?



martyrdom is a fiction invented as a psycho-cultural shield to protect the rich, powerful, and brutal from violence, and to drive the weak, destitute, and oppressed to self-sacrifice

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Breivik is not a 'regular' criminal, his motives and mo is completely different from that of normal bad dudes, Breivik spent a significant portion of his life planning and then executing a quasi military operation whose main objective was to murder children.

he is effectively a traitor against his own community.

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#57
Mike Nelson here.
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Transient_Grace posted:

Breivik is not a 'regular' criminal, his motives and mo is completely different from that of normal bad dudes, Breivik planned spent a significant portion of his life planning and then executing a quasi military operation whose main objective was to murder children.

he is effectively a traitor against his own community.

lol

#58
Mike Nelson here.
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who cares if some kids died. we can grow more.
#59
sup b*tch
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Transient_Grace posted:

Breivik is not a 'regular' criminal, his motives and mo is completely different from that of normal bad dudes, Breivik planned spent a significant portion of his life planning and then executing a quasi military operation whose main objective was to murder children.

he is effectively a traitor against his own community.



psh, if anything, the man did his community a favor by eliminating a handful of the offspring of the pathetic social democrats. hopefully his actions will shock the norwegian community into moving away from the corrupting influence of multicultural liberalism and back into protecting the true spirit of the European culture against foreign encroachments.

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Breivik could have made his points peacefully in the intellectual arena. Don't use bullets just because you are having trouble finding the words. If you have any faith in the victory of truth, then stand by your beliefs in spite of criticism or censorship.

Breivik rejected our traditions, he did not defend them.
#61
Mike Nelson here.
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there is no intellectual arena. political power grows from the barrel of a gun.
#62
sup b*tch
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a truly great speech takes months to craft, requires a master orator to deliver correctly, and even then has no guarantee of changing the minds of those it is supposed to influence. a bullet rattling through someone's skull, on the other hand, will, in 5 seconds or less, change the way they think forever. in most cases, i believe, for the better.

blood alone moves the wheels of history.
#63
tardy on these heaters
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in forcing the State to respond to his actions by purifying the civic body of his deviancy he is achieving his goals
#64
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god bless this mess
#65
Not Your S.H.I.E.L.D.
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reminder that Anders Behring Breivik quit his job for a period of one (1) year in order to fully dedicate himself to World of Warcraft
#66
Mike Nelson here.
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i think the best part about that is that it must have worked? like you don't pick off a hundo multiethnic teen socialists without pretty good aim.
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Superabound posted:

reminder that Anders Behring Breivik quit his job for a period of one (1) year in order to fully dedicate himself to World of Warcraft



Same.

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getfiscal posted:

i think the best part about that is that it must have worked? like you don't pick off a hundo multiethnic teen socialists without pretty good aim.



he wore a fake police uniform and people were literally running right up to him for help as he gunned them down. so uhh i guess he must have been getting in some TF2 time as well

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#72
Mike Nelson here.
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please don't tempt tpaine with worldly pleasures now. he's in a better place, a place where no one can hurt him anymore, where jon anderson sings of stardust.
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if nothing else we could collect tpaine's greatest hits and make a book of philosophical aphorisms with a fake introduction by pg wodehouse
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Cycloneboy posted:

Alyosha posted:

What I'm curious about is why those of you who don't believe in Jesus nonetheless think Breivik should not be tortured and executed.

Because it's a pointless act of cruelty that helps no one?



Childbirth

#76
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so many lost marxist teens who could have make good word jokes on some forums
#77
tardy on these heaters
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you know how mormons baptise dead people, going through the phonebook etc

lf goes through the news and baptizes Righteous Victims as among those Eternally Correct with the Infallible Science
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Goethestein posted:

Cycloneboy posted:

Alyosha posted:

What I'm curious about is why those of you who don't believe in Jesus nonetheless think Breivik should not be tortured and executed.

Because it's a pointless act of cruelty that helps no one?

Childbirth

AGREED.

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Mike Nelson here.
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babyfinland posted:

you know how mormons baptise dead people, going through the phonebook etc

lf goes through the news and baptizes Righteous Victims as among those Eternally Correct with the Infallible Science

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Breivik ruled "Last Sane Man in an Insane World." "Society will naturally create antibodies, the same as you or I will when we are ill" stated the Judge, "It is my belief that Breivik is one of these - A living, breathing cure for modernity created by the very situation of modernity." Breivik was given a ceremonial miter and scepter and was shipped to Siberia, where he will hone his Will before being returned to the west, stronger than ever and beyond all our laws and morals.