Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:babyhueypnewton posted:getfiscal posted:venezuela's PSUV explicitly links different "identity" positions such as slumdwellers/barrio movements and does so through a liberal-democratic system
this is true, venezuela's weak socialism has a lot of problems. such is the sad state of the left that I have to point to such poor examples. I can't even point to Cuba anymore because Castro's liberal daughter has made the state acknowledge a bourgeois "homosexual essence" in law. I guess all I can say is the left suffers from the fallacy of progressivism and thinks that the USSR and China were backwards on social issues and that the infusion of identity politics into leftsim is an "advance", when it's clearly the opposite and the change in policies of communist parties on feminism, homosexuality, "privilege", etc is part of the general retreat of the left in the last 40 years.
I'm glad to see that the struggle hasn't been given up, and that we can always count on goony first world rapists to teach us dirty third world barbarians about revolutionary praxis. Red Salute!
thats quite the name you have. good to see this forum remains completely useless in preventing banned posters from registering 500 accounts.
babyhueypnewton posted:Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:babyhueypnewton posted:getfiscal posted:venezuela's PSUV explicitly links different "identity" positions such as slumdwellers/barrio movements and does so through a liberal-democratic system
this is true, venezuela's weak socialism has a lot of problems. such is the sad state of the left that I have to point to such poor examples. I can't even point to Cuba anymore because Castro's liberal daughter has made the state acknowledge a bourgeois "homosexual essence" in law. I guess all I can say is the left suffers from the fallacy of progressivism and thinks that the USSR and China were backwards on social issues and that the infusion of identity politics into leftsim is an "advance", when it's clearly the opposite and the change in policies of communist parties on feminism, homosexuality, "privilege", etc is part of the general retreat of the left in the last 40 years.
I'm glad to see that the struggle hasn't been given up, and that we can always count on goony first world rapists to teach us dirty third world barbarians about revolutionary praxis. Red Salute!
thats quite the name you have. good to see this forum remains completely useless in preventing banned posters from registering 500 accounts.
you LITERALLY raped a third world woman lmao
there I saved everyone some time who is waiting for maggotmaster to respond in one of three stock responses
e: wow too slow
Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:Venezuela's weak socialism, as opposed to my own, powerful, manly, revolutionary, awesome, mighty, glorious and full of manseed Maoism, which is so fucking impressive I don't even need to go outside my room to destroy capitalism.
I like Chavez but he's a far cry from Allende and Allende failed to have implement a coherent and revolutionary program. Once again were desperate for things in the present (which is a good impulse to have compared to waiting for the perfect revolution, but it still remains just an impulse) that we've lost historical perspective.
babyhueypnewton posted:eccentricdeathmongrel posted:the general opposition to "identity" as a component within a necessarily ideological formation is a joke, as well a ludicrous attempt by failures to reestablish a totally vacuous "base subject" so exalted in liberalism, existing totally external to contingency yet absolutely recallable by th Vanguard at times of revolutionary praxis. this antinomy and fundamental dialectical antagonism regarding materialist and "ideal-ist" conceptions of the agent is most likely what causes a man to procure third-world sex workers.
sorry this doesn't work, I'm familiar with the language you're using and this doesn't actually say anything. you say identity is a necessary component of revolutionary praxis, however you don't say why as it is already obvious. and as althusser would say, "obviousness" is simply a disguise of bourgeois ideology.
the joke here is you, you clearly read in order to hide your opinions from criticism and when challenged retreat even further into obscurity. try harder, you're still comprehensible and therefore attackable.
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Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:except instead of books or whatever you just whine about degenerate workers state based on the following criteria: if it allows gays to exist it isnt socialism
but gays dont exist, or at least they dont exist outside of a very specific bio-politic of the bourgeois era. the entirety of queer theory is based on this, once again you are appealing to obviousness to hide liberal ideology and lack of critical thinking.
babyhueypnewton posted:Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:except instead of books or whatever you just whine about degenerate workers state based on the following criteria: if it allows gays to exist it isnt socialism
but gays dont exist, or at least they dont exist outside of a very specific bio-politic of the bourgeois era. the entirety of queer theory is based on this, once again you are appealing to obviousness to hide liberal ideology and lack of critical thinking.
well dude according to you even the idea that misogyny exists is liberal little eichmann scumfuck postmodern identity politics so I don't think I'm about to take your bizarre quasi-religious understanding of revolutionary theory very seriously and I don't think anybody here is going to either??
it is a shame though that the vast majority of humanity seems pre-occupied with counter-revolutionary practice though.
the approach of communist parties in the USA like the RCP which correctly saw homosexuality as a bourgeois construct but incorrectly thought they could wage war on it without hegemonic control over the people's consciousness. to put it simply, the RCP was not nearly influential enough to change consciousness which is developed in childhood and constantly recreated through all of societies influences. All this approach did was create anxiety and guilt.
the approach of Stalin. Stalin, if he can be criticized for one thing, believed in the inevitability of socialism and the causal(rather than dialectical) relationship between base and superstructure. Stalin, and by extension Castro/Hoxha and other soviet satellite leaders said that homosexuality didn't exist because capitalism didn't exist. as we now know, capitalism is also an ideology which can survive even the elimination of its base, and no amount of purges could eliminate it.
the correct path is obviously the cultural revolution, which sees bourgeois consciousness as something which must be consciously fought, and the construction of socialism as a force to change the whole of society. how could a homosexual exist in the cultural revolution when the masses were constructing a new man entirely, one of which has not even been conceived of yet? what confuses me is when people (like Badiou) say that the cultural revolution is the end, when in fact it is the beginning. Just as marx saw the paris commune as the form of the future socialist revolutions, so should we see the shanghai commune as the future seed of a new, socialist subject who will look at our concept of "the homosexual" the way foucault does, with derision.
maggotmaster obviously doesnt deserve this response, but i thin kit helps to write things out even if no one reads them.
Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:The RCP, which correctly saw homosexuality as a bourgeois construct
find me a reference to the existence of exclusive homosexuality which predates the rise of bourgeois capitalism, maggotmaster.
Cycloneboy posted:exclusive homosexuality was invented by the Victorian-era britons, before then we just called it "good times"
actually they called it sodomy and it was an action not a state of being. lenin decriminalized sodomy because it is a necessary step in fulfilling the bourgeois revolution. the same thing happened with jews and banning pogroms, however socialist states have a very different approach towards historically oppressed minorities. the bolsheviks understood that such groups need self-liberation (hence autonomous zones) and elevation towards a new communist man (hence allowing jews, muslims into the bolsheviks but advocating secularism, socialism, and anti-zionism)
the socialist approach to minorities and sexualities is very interesting, something which has been criminally underexplored in scholarship and completely untouched by the so called "socialists" in LF.
Cycloneboy posted:find me a reference to the existence of exclusive homosexuality which predates the rise of bourgeois capitalism, maggotmaster.
leviticus 20:13
diamond_galas posted:Cycloneboy posted:find me a reference to the existence of exclusive homosexuality which predates the rise of bourgeois capitalism, maggotmaster.
leviticus 20:13
no that's a reference to sodomy not exclusive homosexuality, thanks for playing.
simon de beuvoir in the second sex says that she doesn't really know what the state of feminism is in the USSR but imagines it is far more advanced. over the next 30 years no more information emerged, but that didnt stop the new-left, many of whom were sponsored by the CIA, to condemn socialist countries on their feminism. it takes a lot of courage to say "I don't know", something which is inherently impossible in a liberal conception of knowledge.
always remember when I criticize feminism, homosexuality, minority struggles, I am criticizing them as they currently exist (as I do for 1st world socialism) queer theory (and feminism which is redundant with queer theory) is extremely valuable in understanding ideology and the effect of bourgeois consciousness on the struggles of the masses. not that any of this is addressed to maggotmaster and various trolls, but to you honest folk, always know your friends from your enemies and disagree with respect and not condemnation.
Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:lenin's bourgeois revolution
NEP
Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:A homosexual autonomous oblast because as we know homosexuals are an ethnic group.
are you an assimilationist?