babyhueypnewton posted:

the mistake of communist parties and socialist countries is not a lack of acknowledgement of "gayness", but rather a failure to understand that ideology is both a construct (and performance) and very real, and fighting bourgeois ideology comes after socialism but is not automatic. here we have two wrong approaches:

the approach of communist parties in the USA like the RCP which correctly saw homosexuality as a bourgeois construct but incorrectly thought they could wage war on it without hegemonic control over the people's consciousness. to put it simply, the RCP was not nearly influential enough to change consciousness which is developed in childhood and constantly recreated through all of societies influences. All this approach did was create anxiety and guilt.

the approach of Stalin. Stalin, if he can be criticized for one thing, believed in the inevitability of socialism and the causal(rather than dialectical) relationship between base and superstructure. Stalin, and by extension Castro/Hoxha and other soviet satellite leaders said that homosexuality didn't exist because capitalism didn't exist. as we now know, capitalism is also an ideology which can survive even the elimination of its base, and no amount of purges could eliminate it.

the correct path is obviously the cultural revolution, which sees bourgeois consciousness as something which must be consciously fought, and the construction of socialism as a force to change the whole of society. how could a homosexual exist in the cultural revolution when the masses were constructing a new man entirely, one of which has not even been conceived of yet? what confuses me is when people (like Badiou) say that the cultural revolution is the end, when in fact it is the beginning. Just as marx saw the paris commune as the form of the future socialist revolutions, so should we see the shanghai commune as the future seed of a new, socialist subject who will look at our concept of "the homosexual" the way foucault does, with derision.

maggotmaster obviously doesnt deserve this response, but i thin kit helps to write things out even if no one reads them.

this is pretty lunatic stuff; you have probably actually never read any of the people you're talking about. especially badiou

babyhueypnewton posted:

simon de beuvoir in the second sex says that she doesn't really know what the state of feminism is in the USSR but imagines it is far more advanced. over the next 30 years no more information emerged,

this too is nonsense because we actually do have data on relative workforce participation of women in the ussr and other things, which goes a long way to indicating relative social position.

jools posted:

Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:

bhpn is actually a markov chain generator of weird maoist phraseology

please, this actually has nothing to do with mao or maoism and you know it

i know thats why i said markov chain maoism phraseology it vaguely resembles maoist rhetoric but is in fact utter nonsense by an illiterate rapey weirdo

Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:

i dont think a gay autonomous oblast could sustain itself demographically unless u kind of exiled all the gays there on a constant basis???

yeah why would gay people want to go interact/live with gay ppl. the only way to get them to go to such an earthly paradise is exile.

*ignores constant existence and natural production of gay neighborhoods, gay bars, etc*

Transient_Grace posted:

like durr how do gays copulate. the question is whatcha gonna do with all the straight babies.

lets eat them

Cycloneboy posted:

Maoist_Third_World_Sex_Tourist posted:
theres no such fucking thing as gay neighborhood here maybe there are in the first world but im completely unfamiliar with the existence of them care to enlighten me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gay_villages

so basically places with an active gay community and some businesses catering to the gay community? way to make it sound like a leper's colony or something.

Goethestein posted:

there really arent any gay enclaves in boston, at least not so much that you'd notice walking down the street. go to the north end otoh and you'll notice that every god damn place is owned by an full-on italian.

cool story go away