Crow posted:getfiscal posted:romney and his party are more right-wing than obama. that's pretty obvious. people can come up with superhero stories about how their one refused vote will cause the political system to crumble or whatever but i think that voting for obama makes sense. same with voting for chavez, even though he probably won't bring about socialism.
strategic voting is so delusional haha
I once felt the same way (did the whole radical thing- was in the rebooted SDS in college, audited summer sessions at the EGS, toyed with the idea of joining a radical feminist/anti-occupation Kibbutz instead of Birthright, etc.) but lately it's just harder and harder to justify my adherence to hardline socialism. Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
I will not vote for Obama (if I do eventually decide to do so, it will be very reluctantly, and probably on the Working Families Party line), but I sure as hell won't stand in the way of someone who wants to.
Groulxsmith posted:Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
simple solution for ppl with this issue: don't maintain friendships w/ members of minority groups
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eccentricdeathmongrel posted:Groulxsmith posted:Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
simple solution for ppl with this issue: don't maintain friendships w/ minorities
I learned more about the Arab Spring from the Yemeni gentleman that operates my neighborhood bodega than I ever did from more formal sources.
Groulxsmith posted:Groulxsmith posted:
I learned more about the Arab Spring from the Yemeni gentleman that operates my neighborhood bodega than I ever did from more formal sources.
Same, everything i needed to know about islam i learnt on 9/11
Groulxsmith posted:Crow posted:getfiscal posted:romney and his party are more right-wing than obama. that's pretty obvious. people can come up with superhero stories about how their one refused vote will cause the political system to crumble or whatever but i think that voting for obama makes sense. same with voting for chavez, even though he probably won't bring about socialism.
strategic voting is so delusional haha
I once felt the same way (did the whole radical thing- was in the rebooted SDS in college, audited summer sessions at the EGS, toyed with the idea of joining a radical feminist/anti-occupation Kibbutz instead of Birthright, etc.) but lately it's just harder and harder to justify my adherence to hardline socialism. Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
a most eloquent case for why white middle-class heterosexual cismales will always have the most revolutionary potential
Other than Europe, you really have to look very hard to locate meaningful differences between two Tories of similar age whose formative political years were dominated by Margaret Thatcher. The budget cut in the top rate of tax, the biggest strategic error in terms of how the public views the Tories and one that Labour returned to over and again at their conference, had been demanded in advance by the mayor. Indeed, he had argued for going even further and abolishing the top rate altogether.
Boris is as much, if not more so, a liberal on social issues as his rival in Number 10. He has spoken up for being generous about immigration and wore a pink stetson at a gay pride march, which makes his popularity among some of the unreconstructed right of the Tory party rather bewildering.
hmmmm yes Mrs Guardian, what a pickle, i can't believe the right wing is willing to look past a pink hat to the abolition of the top tax rate, how bewildering
Groulxsmith posted:Crow posted:getfiscal posted:romney and his party are more right-wing than obama. that's pretty obvious. people can come up with superhero stories about how their one refused vote will cause the political system to crumble or whatever but i think that voting for obama makes sense. same with voting for chavez, even though he probably won't bring about socialism.
strategic voting is so delusional haha
I once felt the same way (did the whole radical thing- was in the rebooted SDS in college, audited summer sessions at the EGS, toyed with the idea of joining a radical feminist/anti-occupation Kibbutz instead of Birthright, etc.) but lately it's just harder and harder to justify my adherence to hardline socialism. Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
I will not vote for Obama (if I do eventually decide to do so, it will be very reluctantly, and probably on the Working Families Party line), but I sure as hell won't stand in the way of someone who wants to.
can i ask you what your ideal socio-economic model would be?
AmericanNazbro posted:Groulxsmith posted:Crow posted:getfiscal posted:romney and his party are more right-wing than obama. that's pretty obvious. people can come up with superhero stories about how their one refused vote will cause the political system to crumble or whatever but i think that voting for obama makes sense. same with voting for chavez, even though he probably won't bring about socialism.
strategic voting is so delusional haha
I once felt the same way (did the whole radical thing- was in the rebooted SDS in college, audited summer sessions at the EGS, toyed with the idea of joining a radical feminist/anti-occupation Kibbutz instead of Birthright, etc.) but lately it's just harder and harder to justify my adherence to hardline socialism. Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
I will not vote for Obama (if I do eventually decide to do so, it will be very reluctantly, and probably on the Working Families Party line), but I sure as hell won't stand in the way of someone who wants to.can i ask you what your ideal socio-economic model would be?
Strong regulation- maximum wage, European-style marginal tax rates, strong consumer protection councils given some teeth by Congress. Universal healthcare, universal enfranchisement, universal access to technology and education. Think Canada, before Harper royally fucked it all up.
Groulxsmith posted:Crow posted:getfiscal posted:romney and his party are more right-wing than obama. that's pretty obvious. people can come up with superhero stories about how their one refused vote will cause the political system to crumble or whatever but i think that voting for obama makes sense. same with voting for chavez, even though he probably won't bring about socialism.
strategic voting is so delusional haha
I once felt the same way (did the whole radical thing- was in the rebooted SDS in college, audited summer sessions at the EGS, toyed with the idea of joining a radical feminist/anti-occupation Kibbutz instead of Birthright, etc.) but lately it's just harder and harder to justify my adherence to hardline socialism. Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
I will not vote for Obama (if I do eventually decide to do so, it will be very reluctantly, and probably on the Working Families Party line), but I sure as hell won't stand in the way of someone who wants to.
oh well that must be a nice group of socially conscious hedge fund managers you have. my friends are poor gays and brown muslim immigrants and they dont gigve a FUcK. Must be nice having money @ the gay social conscious thing you do, *wrings hands & seizes Up*
but anyway, no one is telling you to proselytize if you're incompetent or dont believe it or whatever. and frankly it's better if you Believe, which i'm sure you really want to, but the fact of the matter you (supposedly) know better than that, and trying to convince others to be willfully ignorant is the weakest, vilest thing you can do.
that being said, national elections in america are pretty much symbolic and fantastical, which is why i teared up when obama won. at this point, it shouldnt concern you what other people do, including your friends and family, if it doesnt harm them directly. unless you are in an organization with them and then it's your Duty, hedge funds Not With Standing. otherwise, it's between you and God
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:crow you're walkingon thin ice my friend. cut it out or i will ifap the shit out of you.
Ha angel of obama threatening to send the devil to hell. Good luck & Try
lol write an essay about it - EO
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:you asked for it b1tch. 592 words on why im better looking than u irl and also a better poster
forcing a man to lie, that's low
you already post in ifap how about you get SENTENCED THERE!!! - EO
i am an idiot and should be banned but isntead im in ifap!!!
getfiscal posted:forcing a man to lie, that's low
you already post in ifap how about you get SENTENCED THERE!!! - EO
500 words on what boobs feel like
Ironicwarcriminal posted:i am an idiot and should be banned but isntead im in ifap!!!
youre ifapped now too... hahahah
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
i am an idiot and should be banned but isntead im in ifap!!!
youre ifapped now too... hahahah
i did nothing!
Groulxsmith posted:AmericanNazbro posted:Groulxsmith posted:Crow posted:getfiscal posted:romney and his party are more right-wing than obama. that's pretty obvious. people can come up with superhero stories about how their one refused vote will cause the political system to crumble or whatever but i think that voting for obama makes sense. same with voting for chavez, even though he probably won't bring about socialism.
strategic voting is so delusional haha
I once felt the same way (did the whole radical thing- was in the rebooted SDS in college, audited summer sessions at the EGS, toyed with the idea of joining a radical feminist/anti-occupation Kibbutz instead of Birthright, etc.) but lately it's just harder and harder to justify my adherence to hardline socialism. Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
I will not vote for Obama (if I do eventually decide to do so, it will be very reluctantly, and probably on the Working Families Party line), but I sure as hell won't stand in the way of someone who wants to.can i ask you what your ideal socio-economic model would be?
Strong regulation- maximum wage, European-style marginal tax rates, strong consumer protection councils given some teeth by Congress. Universal healthcare, universal enfranchisement, universal access to technology and education. Think Canada, before Harper royally fucked it all up.
was there one pivotal event in your life that made you transition from a radical, to a social democrat?
AmericanNazbro posted:was there one pivotal event in your life that made you transition from a radical, to a social democrat?
when he found the harmonious balance between his apathy and his guilt-feelings
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wasted posted:here's my conversion from radical leftist to authoritarian capitalist:
how is this risque? god i hate camp faux-transgression so much
Groulxsmith posted:Crow posted:getfiscal posted:romney and his party are more right-wing than obama. that's pretty obvious. people can come up with superhero stories about how their one refused vote will cause the political system to crumble or whatever but i think that voting for obama makes sense. same with voting for chavez, even though he probably won't bring about socialism.
strategic voting is so delusional haha
I once felt the same way (did the whole radical thing- was in the rebooted SDS in college, audited summer sessions at the EGS, toyed with the idea of joining a radical feminist/anti-occupation Kibbutz instead of Birthright, etc.) but lately it's just harder and harder to justify my adherence to hardline socialism. Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
I will not vote for Obama (if I do eventually decide to do so, it will be very reluctantly, and probably on the Working Families Party line), but I sure as hell won't stand in the way of someone who wants to.
goldsmith do you sometimes feel like American Psycho is a biography of ur life?
angelbutt_dollface posted:Groulxsmith posted:Crow posted:getfiscal posted:romney and his party are more right-wing than obama. that's pretty obvious. people can come up with superhero stories about how their one refused vote will cause the political system to crumble or whatever but i think that voting for obama makes sense. same with voting for chavez, even though he probably won't bring about socialism.
strategic voting is so delusional haha
I once felt the same way (did the whole radical thing- was in the rebooted SDS in college, audited summer sessions at the EGS, toyed with the idea of joining a radical feminist/anti-occupation Kibbutz instead of Birthright, etc.) but lately it's just harder and harder to justify my adherence to hardline socialism. Can I look in the eyes of some of my best friends, who happen to be gay, and can now get married in our state, only to tell them it is meaningless identity politics and a bourgeois affectation? Can I tell an African-American who wept tears of joy four years ago that there is not an intrinsic value in their affinity for Obama, his faults notwithstanding?
I will not vote for Obama (if I do eventually decide to do so, it will be very reluctantly, and probably on the Working Families Party line), but I sure as hell won't stand in the way of someone who wants to.goldsmith do you sometimes feel like American Psycho is a biography of ur life?
further questions:
do you like squid ravioli? charcoal arugula?
can you do 1,000 crunches?
