Obviously he would have advanced the rate of exploitation in Europe to a far greater degree. Moreso, the colonies and peripheries would have been severely constrained by free trade or some even more intensive equivalent of it, raising the global level of material development much further. The world today under Nazi domination would be both prosperous and exploitative, creating a much more revolutionary condition in the long term.
In China as well it's now clear that Mao held back the level of development in China for too long, slowing world coal, oil and iron production and preserving nonrenewable resources which are only now being exploited by the Dengists. Had China developed under the KMT, world material reserves would be much more scarce by now and the third world much more exploited.
Virtually everyone can agree that literally every past communist revolution has been a failure. They have all turned out to be tactical victories, at best, while on the strategic front they limited the concentration of financial capital, protected the environment, and prevented the rapid development of capitalism. I can only hope that Rhizzone understands that accelerationism and bourgeoise-pacifism is the only effective revolutionary tactic at this time. Any other approach only ensures that there will always be a communist movement successful in some country, somewhere, absolving first worlders of the responsibility to intensify material exploitation and advance the revolution in the long run.
Crow posted:Wow, i never considered this retarded, ill-thought out thing! Truly, you are now welcome to the Rhizzone
Your so called "revolutionary" methods only serve to amuse crypto-capitalist first world "communists". Marxist science dictates that we are for Free Trade, because by Free Trade all economical laws, with their most astounding contradictions, will act upon a larger scale, upon the territory of the whole earth
Impper posted:you are gay and dumb
In England women are still occasionally used instead of horses for hauling canal boats, because the labour required to produce horses and machines is an accurately known quantity, while that required to maintain the women of the surplus population is below all calculation.
Marx rings as true today as he did when Capital was written.
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Goethestein posted:its unlikely that the nazis would have held territory for very long. insurrections would have popped up all over the place. fucked up but true
regretably, but at least lots of liberals would die
Goethestein posted:its unlikely that the nazis would have held territory for very long. insurrections would have popped up all over the place. fucked up but true
it'd be like playing Victoria II except in real life
Occupy succeeded because it was and is uncompromisingly inclusive. In a very different context, the radical left coalition in Greece (SYRIZA) has succeeded for much the same reason, and in Britain, there is the Anti Capitalist Initiative, a left unity project which is off to a promising start.
And, doesn't Zizekism-Chomskyism inevitably degenerate into joking around on internet forums about how cool Pol Pot was, posting pictures of Stalin on SA spinoffs, and generally contribute to making the left look even worse?
Thirdly and in conclusion, has revolution ever succeeded (in a tactical sense) in a Nordic welfare state?
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Crow posted:what do you mean has revolution ever succeeded in Norway? Have you ever considered what sort of conditions sustained the Norwegian welfare state? Ask Breivik!
Obviously not revolutionary ones, as Nansen claimed "To talk of the right of revolution in a society with full civil liberty, universal suffrage, equal treatment for everyone ... idiotic nonsense."
Admit it, if Hitler controlled the world from his polar moon base today the entire globe would be much more ripe for communist revolution. Likewise if the KMT had kept control of China there would be literally no oil left, Africa would be a desert, and capitalism would have completely exhausted itself exploiting a country the size of China.
For what it's worth I didn't vote for Obama, I guess that makes me a bad person in your (reformist) eyes.
Have a sacreligious Stalin.
mustang19 posted:Crow posted:what do you mean has revolution ever succeeded in Norway? Have you ever considered what sort of conditions sustained the Norwegian welfare state? Ask Breivik!
Obviously not revolutionary ones, as Nansen claimed "To talk of the right of revolution in a society with full civil liberty, universal suffrage, equal treatment for everyone ... idiotic nonsense."
Admit it, if Hitler controlled the world from his polar moon base today the entire globe would be much more ripe for communist revolution. Likewise if the KMT had kept control of China there would be literally no oil left, Africa would be a desert, and capitalism would have completely exhausted itself exploiting a country the size of China.
yeah i guess if the working class was exterminated and bred as slaves on enormous plantations i guess we would be much closer to communist revolution
Crow posted:mustang19 posted:Crow posted:what do you mean has revolution ever succeeded in Norway? Have you ever considered what sort of conditions sustained the Norwegian welfare state? Ask Breivik!
Obviously not revolutionary ones, as Nansen claimed "To talk of the right of revolution in a society with full civil liberty, universal suffrage, equal treatment for everyone ... idiotic nonsense."
Admit it, if Hitler controlled the world from his polar moon base today the entire globe would be much more ripe for communist revolution. Likewise if the KMT had kept control of China there would be literally no oil left, Africa would be a desert, and capitalism would have completely exhausted itself exploiting a country the size of China.yeah i guess if the working class was exterminated and bred as slaves on enormous plantations i guess we would be much closer to communist revolution
exactly
i mean look at somalia, slavery creates superb revolutionary conditions. i cant even think of a real counterexample because literally all slave societies had a revolt and now have intense class antagonism.
mustang19 posted:In England women are still occasionally used instead of horses for hauling canal boats, because the labour required to produce horses and machines is an accurately known quantity, while that required to maintain the women of the surplus population is below all calculation.
Marx rings as true today as he did when Capital was written.
And practicing accelerationism before the tipping point is a known quantity is nothing but perpetuation
Superabound posted:mustang19 posted:In England women are still occasionally used instead of horses for hauling canal boats, because the labour required to produce horses and machines is an accurately known quantity, while that required to maintain the women of the surplus population is below all calculation.
Marx rings as true today as he did when Capital was written.And practicing accelerationism before the tipping point is a known quantity is nothing but perpetuation
but how do you get to the tipping point... unless you tip toward it?
Somalia, Haiti, & Dubai: World's Most Glorious Examples of Socialism
worst examples of capitalism that's for sure, plus almost all countries which had communist revolutions were heavily into feudalism and debt peonage. if you want to recreate 1917 russia fascioanarchofeudalism is the way to go.
mustang19 posted:Crow posted:mustang19 posted:Crow posted:what do you mean has revolution ever succeeded in Norway? Have you ever considered what sort of conditions sustained the Norwegian welfare state? Ask Breivik!
Obviously not revolutionary ones, as Nansen claimed "To talk of the right of revolution in a society with full civil liberty, universal suffrage, equal treatment for everyone ... idiotic nonsense."
Admit it, if Hitler controlled the world from his polar moon base today the entire globe would be much more ripe for communist revolution. Likewise if the KMT had kept control of China there would be literally no oil left, Africa would be a desert, and capitalism would have completely exhausted itself exploiting a country the size of China.yeah i guess if the working class was exterminated and bred as slaves on enormous plantations i guess we would be much closer to communist revolution
exactly
i mean look at somalia, slavery creates superb revolutionary conditions. i cant even think of a real counterexample because literally all slave societies had a revolt and now have intense class antagonism.
postposting posted:mustang19 posted:Crow posted:mustang19 posted:Crow posted:what do you mean has revolution ever succeeded in Norway? Have you ever considered what sort of conditions sustained the Norwegian welfare state? Ask Breivik!
Obviously not revolutionary ones, as Nansen claimed "To talk of the right of revolution in a society with full civil liberty, universal suffrage, equal treatment for everyone ... idiotic nonsense."
Admit it, if Hitler controlled the world from his polar moon base today the entire globe would be much more ripe for communist revolution. Likewise if the KMT had kept control of China there would be literally no oil left, Africa would be a desert, and capitalism would have completely exhausted itself exploiting a country the size of China.yeah i guess if the working class was exterminated and bred as slaves on enormous plantations i guess we would be much closer to communist revolution
exactly
i mean look at somalia, slavery creates superb revolutionary conditions. i cant even think of a real counterexample because literally all slave societies had a revolt and now have intense class antagonism.
never saw the movie
but your signature says no so i think youre trying to tell me something, like reinstating slavery would regress the communist revolution
mustang19 posted:but how do you get to the tipping point... unless you tip toward it?
well first it might be a good idea to determine whether or not the tipping point is a thing which actually can and will exist.
Superabound posted:mustang19 posted:but how do you get to the tipping point... unless you tip toward it?
well first it might be a good idea to determine whether or not the tipping point is a thing which actually can and will exist.
but marxist science tells us that the rate of profit will eventually fall to zero causing the collapse of capitalism. cite your source
Crow posted:if you (somehow, magically) go backwards, when you reach the tipping point you'll tip over backwards so far you'll have a fork up youer ass!! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a fucking fork u pyour ass! You can talk you can talk! Youre brave now motherfucker
enlightening
mustang19 posted:Superabound posted:mustang19 posted:but how do you get to the tipping point... unless you tip toward it?
well first it might be a good idea to determine whether or not the tipping point is a thing which actually can and will exist.
but marxist science tells us that the rate of profit will eventually fall to zero causing the collapse of capitalism. cite your source
thats the venus project actually
babyhueypnewton posted:mustang19 posted:Superabound posted:mustang19 posted:but how do you get to the tipping point... unless you tip toward it?
well first it might be a good idea to determine whether or not the tipping point is a thing which actually can and will exist.
but marxist science tells us that the rate of profit will eventually fall to zero causing the collapse of capitalism. cite your source
thats the venus project actually
revolution from above is a type of reformism. mao would not buy his dvds.
mustang19 posted:but marxist science tells us that the rate of profit will eventually fall to zero causing the collapse of capitalism. cite your source
but at what cost, mustang19? at what cost?
Superabound posted:mustang19 posted:but marxist science tells us that the rate of profit will eventually fall to zero causing the collapse of capitalism. cite your source
but at what cost, mustang19? at what cost?
a week of revolution is less bloody than a single mcdonalds hamburger.
but okay, i'll take my meds now.