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http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/can-you-hear-me-now/#more-30106

To the National Organization for Women:

My name is Paul Elam and I am a men’s rights activist. I have just finished reading a document from your website titled, Fall 2012 – Newsletter of the NOW Family Law Ad Hoc Advisory Committee – SPECIAL REPORT.

Contained in it were the expected canards one would normally anticipate from a feminist organization, such as your attempts to deny the existence of custodial mothers who emotionally and psychologically abuse their children by alienating their fathers. And your claims that it is abused women, and not fathers, who encounter the real sexual discrimination in family courts.

I also noted, with some amusement, that while you continue to define men’s and fathers advocacy as a backlash against changing gender roles, you also advocate women be given preference in custody decisions, reinforcing the very same roles you pretend to oppose.

None of that is new or surprising. As an organization with an elitist agenda, deception and hypocrisy are necessary staples in your propaganda.

However, your report did contain something different, and more consistent with the times. For the first time that I am aware, you have launched an offensive against the growing amount of men’s advocacy being conducted online; advocacy that is beginning to reshape the public discourse concerning sexual politics, which explains your attack well enough.

You have cited the Southern Poverty Law Center, and parroted them in attacking the men’s movement, using the same hyperbolic and deceptive language.
It probably would have been in the best interest of your followers if you had informed them of the SPLC’s subsequent back peddling, in which your source Arthur Goldwag acknowledged, after being publicly humiliated for his accusations, that he never called the men’s movement a hate movement, and that indeed the MRM had legitimate grievances that needed amelioration.

Of course, that would not serve your purpose, which seems to be that you are gearing up for a battle. And you know it is one you need to fight.

Too bad for you it is not going to do any good.

The fact of the matter is that the only thing that has held up your ideology and your stranglehold on public perception is the fact that people have been too afraid to shine the light of truth on who and what you are. Another fact is that this is changing, and rapidly.

The SPLC cannot save you. Your current reach into government cannot save you. Your diminishing funding cannot save you, nor can your influence on the media and academe.

There is a rapidly growing body of men and women of all colors, religious and non-religious, gay and straight, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian and Independent, who have simply had enough of your hatred and lies. They have had enough of you.

Why? It is because activists are teaching them the truth. These so called fitful bands of “misogynists” are reaching more and more people every day, with the proof that your agenda is not one of equality, but of one toxic, virulent grab for money and power after another. People are finally starting to learn what your ideology has done to the family and to the minds of our children. They are learning that the war you fostered between men and women has resulted only in losers and carnage.

You can claim that VAWA was allowed to die because of misogynistic backlash, but fewer people are buying it because more people know precisely what a sexist, porcine piece of legislation it is. The children being destroyed by it are starting to grow up and talk.

You can scream and chant all you want that feminism is about equality, but, assisted by a half century of your actions, we are showing people the truth. Feminism has devolved into tyranny. Like all tyranny in human history, it will be opposed.

The world is learning of your complicit silence in the face of the advocacy of murder, infanticide, eugenics and naked bigotry, as we have found and documented in the radical underbelly of your movement. But it is not just the most seedy and sequestered elements in your ilk that we have exposed.

We have also shined a light on your phony wage gap, your corruption of research and science, your falsification of domestic violence and rape statistics and even how these things have crept into our government, and into our institutions of higher education. The knowledge of those things is making its way into the narrative of our culture.

The days of a public remaining ignorant and silent are over. We will no longer allow that to happen, and there is no squeezing that toothpaste back into the tube.

I have to give you credit. 50 years of hateful elitism successfully disguised as an equalitarian movement is quite an accomplishment. It would be all the more impressive, however, had it not so totally depended on the enabling and sacrifice of the very men from which you claim to have been liberated.

And therein lies your problem. An aggressively growing number of men and women are done with the enabling. They are done accepting lies and distortions. And they are beginning to look at our fragmenting, decomposing society and figure out what, no, who the problem is.

All that was ever needed to destroy feminism and promote true equality in this culture was for the truth to break free from the chains placed on it by a fearful and misled society.

It is happening as we speak.

This is going to be a very important year for the men’s rights movement, which means it is going to be a very important year for men and women who want to work together on addressing problems with valid, research based solutions – not as competitors out to demonize and vilify and destroy each other, but as partners in an effort that leads us to mutual valuing and cooperation. They understand fully that the absence of that valuing and cooperation has been paid for dearly by our children, especially our boys.

All this means that it is going to be a very bad year for you. All you offer is fear and conflict and people are finally getting tired of it.

I will close with a bit of advice that I know you are too entrenched to heed. If you want to slow the men’s movement, the only way to do it is to emulate the raisons d’être to which you have so far only paid lip service, while pursuing a base and malignant agenda.

You need to act as though you have a moral compass, and that means dropping the entitlement and the hate.

Anything less will result in your extirpation, because it is not the men’s movement that is your problem. It is the truth told far and wide in a society that is beginning to hunger for it.

That truth is coming for you, and we will breathe relief whether you accept it, or are consumed by it.

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We're winning.

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fart
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poo man says piss thing
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deadken posted:

poo man says piss thing

I see now, nothing I say could possible satisfy you. You're just being mean because you get off on it. Well I shan't support your cruel taunts, bullying, and trolling any longer. Welcome to ignore, b*tch.

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you brought this on yourself deadken.
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"Most money is still earned by men. Most money is actually spent by and on women, mostly on consequence-ridden products whose only use is to bolster their egos. That is about as green as a fucking oil spill.

The sex driving the world’s ridiculous over consumption, and therefore decimation of everything, is not men. In fact, women’s level of over consumption is so outrageous that they cannot even maintain it with their own resources. It takes both sexes to feed the excessive appetite of the one. Where it concerns diamonds for engagement rings, we have even developed customs and formulas to guide men on what percentage of their yearly income should be used to make her finger sparkle with sufficient luminosity to enhance her social status.

If we wanted to save the environment, be less cruel to animals, have less wars, less slavery and less forced labor of children then the best first step we can take is to start raising girls to get over their vanity and their entitlement"

- Paul Elam
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

"Most money is still earned by men. Most money is actually spent by and on women, mostly on consequence-ridden products whose only use is to bolster their egos. That is about as green as a fucking oil spill.

The sex driving the world’s ridiculous over consumption, and therefore decimation of everything, is not men. In fact, women’s level of over consumption is so outrageous that they cannot even maintain it with their own resources. It takes both sexes to feed the excessive appetite of the one. Where it concerns diamonds for engagement rings, we have even developed customs and formulas to guide men on what percentage of their yearly income should be used to make her finger sparkle with sufficient luminosity to enhance her social status.

If we wanted to save the environment, be less cruel to animals, have less wars, less slavery and less forced labor of children then the best first step we can take is to start raising girls to get over their vanity and their entitlement"

- Paul Elam

fucked up but true.

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If this isn’t some long game troll I truly pity you for your hatred and fear of women
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female preference is the primary factor today driving circumcision
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

If this isn’t some long game troll I truly pity you for your hatred and fear of women

some of my favorite authors are women.

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discipline posted:

What's the recall procedure here yall

Strike two.

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discipline posted:

What's the recall procedure here yall

.it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind. make it so.

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Voter recall is one of the most antidemocratic institutions around. Just, objectively.
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its cool how many women want diamonds even though they know they're useless and drenched in blood
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tpaine posted:

Goethestein posted:

its cool how many women want diamonds even though they know they're useless and drenched in blood

replace diamonds with children lmao. i am edgy tonite

Noice.

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Goethestein posted:

its cool how many women want diamonds even though they know they're useless and drenched in blood

i worked with a woman who used to go on and on about how dumb the idea of a ring was and how she could get a cheap one as a symbol at most and then her fiance bought her a huge rock and she was happy as a clam. then she got cancer. moral of the story: don't fuck with nature.

#22
It’s cool how the MRA ideology makes sense if you blame everything initiated and perpetuated by men on women
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

It’s cool how the MRA ideology makes sense if you blame everything initiated and perpetuated by men on women

i don't think anybody in the mainstream MRM seriously believes women are the root of all problems. not even feminism. a lot of these problems predate feminism and they've been going on for p much all of history.

but hey, why bother knowing what the fuck you're talking about when you can just make shit up?

#25
don't you feel embarrassed to be a teenager subscribing to the bile of bitter old failures of men? I would
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also lol @ the idea that men created false rape allegations. that's a strictly female enterprise, my friend.
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tpaine posted:

you asshole! i have cancer!

and we're all praying you pull through, whoever you are.

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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

don't you feel embarrassed to be a teenager subscribing to the bile of bitter old failures of men? I would

But enough about liberalism...

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i was going to say marxism
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Cycloneboy posted:

also lol @ the idea that men created false rape allegations. that's a strictly female enterprise, my friend.



People who think false rape accusations are a bigger problem than rape are like people who think “welfare queens” are a bigger problem than poverty

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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Cycloneboy posted:

also lol @ the idea that men created false rape allegations. that's a strictly female enterprise, my friend.

People who think false rape accusations are a bigger problem than rape are like people who think “welfare queens” are a bigger problem than poverty

False rape accusations are a very serious issue and the feminist attempt to erase them from existence is nothing but victim blaming and an attempt to abrogate justice and due process in mindless pursuit of political goals with little-to-no basis in reality. Perhaps we can be opposed to both rape *and* destruction of due process of law at the same time? Peace.

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Hey Cycloneboy you are a Marxist right? In that case I’m sure you are aware of the fact that the ownership of the means of production (let’s say….land) is a big part of what cements the position of the ruling class.

Given that women only own 1% of the world’s property, isn’t it profoundly anti-materialist of you to argue as if women have some great social advantage over men?
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Hey Cycloneboy you are a Marxist right? In that case I’m sure you are aware of the fact that the ownership of the means of production (let’s say….land) is a big part of what cements the position of the ruling class.

Given that women only own 1% of the world’s property, isn’t it profoundly anti-materialist of you to argue as if women have some great social advantage over men?

I've never been the sort to subscribe to any purely theoretical elements of any ideology. I am a socialist, not a Marxist.

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“land ownership = social power? Wow what a crazy theoretical notion. I don’t believe it because I’m more of…I guess…..a pragmatic liberal”

- Cycloneboy
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

“land ownership = social power? Wow what a crazy theoretical notion. I don’t believe it because I’m more of…I guess…..a pragmatic liberal”

- Cycloneboy

Capital is not land, and we live in a consumerist society where women make up the majority of the consumer spending and so dictate the movement of capital by their habits.

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i talk a mean game about how materialism is the downfall of society but i'm going to give my stay-at-home girl a huge rock because i make a ton of money & she's going to continue having ridiculously fantastic sex with me because of it
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oh shit i forgot to write "ooc:" before that
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Cycloneboy posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
“land ownership = social power? Wow what a crazy theoretical notion. I don’t believe it because I’m more of…I guess…..a pragmatic liberal”

- Cycloneboy
Capital is not land, and we live in a consumerist society where women make up the majority of the consumer spending and so dictate the movement of capital by their habits.



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Women can bring nothing into the world but children. Men can father all kinds of things besides children. Creation, reproduction, and propagation are all male capabilities. Feminine pregnancy is but a part of child rearing. This is an old truth.

Women’s jealousy is simple jealousy of creativity. A woman who bears a son and brings him up tastes the honeyed joy of revenge against creativity. When she stands in the way of creation she feels she has something to live for. The craving for luxury and spending is a destructive craving. Everywhere you look, feminine instincts win out. Originally capitalism was a male theory, a reproductive theory. Then feminine thinking ate away at it. Capitalism changed into a theory of extravagance. Thanks to this Helen, war finally came into being. In the far distant future, communism too will be destroyed by woman.

Woman survives everywhere and rules like the night. Her nature is on the highest pinnacle of baseness. She drags all values down into the slough of sentiment. She is entirely incapable of comprehending doctrine: ‘-istic’, she can undestand; ‘-ism’, she cannot fathom. Lacking in originality she can’t even comprehend the atmosphere. All she can figure out is the smell. She smells as a pig does. Perfume is a masculine invention designed to improve woman’s sense of smell. Thanks to it, man escapes being sniffed out by woman.

Woman’s sexual charm, her coquettish instincts, all the powers of her sexual attraction, prove that woman is a useless creature. Something useful would have no need of coquetries. What a waste it is that man insists on being attracted by woman! What disgrace it brings down upon man’s spiritual powers! Woman has no soul; she can only feel. What is called majestic feeling is the most laughable of paradoxes, a self-made tapeworm. The majesty of motherhood that once in a while develops and shocks people has no truth in relation to spirit. It is no more than a physiological phenomenon, essentially no different from the self-sacrificing mother love seen in animals. In short, spirit must be viewed as the special characteristic that differentiates man from the animals. It is the only essential difference.
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

source

Boston Consulting Group estimates that women control $4.3 trillion of the $5.9 trillion in U.S. consumer spending, or 73% of household spending

http://gaia.adage.com/images/random/1109/aa-newfemale-whitepaper.pdf